artistcalledian 0 #1 December 23, 2005 i think that this attitude of "i should be able to wear what i want, where i want, and when i want" is sometimes partly responsible for them getting raped I 100% agree that all rape is wrong, but if a woman is dressed like a slut, leads a man on... goes back to his house, then says no to sex right at the last moment..... she must shoulder some of the blame for what happens next in a perfect world, a woman should be able to say no at any time and its respected, but its not a perfect world. People need to take some responsibility for things that happen to them because of the situation they have put themselves in. If a woman puts herself in a situation of danger because of what she's wearing, where she is, and what she's doing, if it goes tits up an she gets raped... the fact that she said no, and she was in the right is going to make no difference to her AFTER the event, she's still been raped..... so why put yourself in that situation and just rely on being able to say no and it being respected? Is the fact you where in the right going to stop the pain of rape? i doubt it________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #2 December 23, 2005 Ya know Ian, if there was a vaguely interesting line of thought in what you typed here it's completely lost by the fact that everything else you've posted here has been utter gobshite. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #3 December 23, 2005 QuoteYa know Ian, if there was a vaguely interesting line of thought in what you typed here it's completely lost by the fact that everything else you've posted here has been utter gobshite. I was going to post a response, but didn't for that exact reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #4 December 23, 2005 you old smoothy________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #5 December 23, 2005 I think your on thin ice with this subject but I shall attempt to answer you sensibly... I know alot of women who will tease and tease and wind you up with no intention of doing anything with you. They just like the attention. They do not deserve to be raped. That is ridiculous. They certainly dont help their cause but any person who rapes a woman should be publicly hanged. By the way, from experience (sounds dodgy ) I reckon 90% of rape allegations prove to be false. Either malicious or some sort of cover story. ie - young girl scared about what to tell parents so makes something up. You just know your gonna get flamed though and this will probably be locked or deleted so I dont know why im bothering. Do you want a bigger stick so you can stir up a whopper with this one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #6 December 23, 2005 i'm not saying ANYBODY deserves to be raped, they don't i'm saying that some of the blame for what happens some of the time should go to the woman.________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #7 December 23, 2005 QuoteYou just know your gonna get flamed though and this will probably be locked or deleted so I dont know why im bothering. Why would he get flamed? His post serves as a clear warning to any woman who might ever consider being alone in a room with him that it is not a safe thing to do. Edited to add: I think your percentage is off by a magnitude of order, Scoop. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #8 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou just know your gonna get flamed though and this will probably be locked or deleted so I dont know why im bothering. Why would he get flamed? His post serves as a clear warning to any woman who might ever consider being alone in a room with him that it is not a safe thing to do. rl don't talk wet________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #9 December 23, 2005 Dependent on scenario. If we are talking random attack, then I dont think so. If we are talking a prick tease, then yes. No doubt about it, they would be partly responsible. What are you trying to prove other than provoke a reaction? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #10 December 23, 2005 QuoteNo doubt about it, they would be partly responsible. The only person responsible for a rape is the rapist.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #11 December 23, 2005 Yeah. Your right... I think what Ians getting at is are they asking for it. I say no. noone asks to be raped but you cant go around teasing people and throwing yourself around cos as we all know the world aint a safe place and some people are nutters. You wind up the wrong person and it might happen. So... Responsible - NO Not helping themselves - sadly seems so Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eiley 0 #12 December 23, 2005 QuoteDependent on scenario. If we are talking random attack, then I dont think so. If we are talking a prick tease, then yes. No doubt about it, they would be partly responsible. What are you trying to prove other than provoke a reaction? On your Myspace page you claim: QuoteErm, women. Hmmm. Well, its not that I dont want one. I just am useless at reading signals and dont seem to be in right environment - ever!! :D Are you sure that woman is being a 'prick tease' and not just being friendly? nothing to see here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 December 23, 2005 QuoteResponsible - NO Not helping themselves - sadly seems so Well put. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #14 December 23, 2005 Hey, I had a serious prick tease on my case for a long time. I really liked her and she fucked me around. Really upset me. Strangely we are still mates and are very close now. But I wouldnt wish what Ian's saying on anyone. And... hey like I say.. Im shit at reading signals! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #15 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteResponsible - NO Not helping themselves - sadly seems so Well put. Thanks. *wipes beads of sweat off brow* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #16 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteNo doubt about it, they would be partly responsible. The only person responsible for a rape is the rapist. i don't agree, i think in certain situations, after certain actions by the woman... she shoulders some of the blame for what happens to her If we lived in a perfect world, all woman would be able to wear anything they wanted, go anywhere they wanted dressed a they like, and do anythign they wanted at that place, dressed as they like... BUT this isn't a perfect world, realise that and dont put yourself in certain situations because sometimes your NO is not going to be taken seriously, and the man is going to think that because of all thats gone on in the lead up to that point...he can carry on and have sex you need to understand i don't think this is ok, but i'm a realist who lives in the real world, and thats what DOES happen sometimes ok, another sinario..... i'm walking through a rough area of Nottingham at 3am, i'm wearing nice clothes and talking into my mobile phone.... i get mugged, am i not partly responsible for what just happened to me because of my own nievity in believing i should be safe in this world doing what ever i want?________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #17 December 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteNo doubt about it, they would be partly responsible. The only person responsible for a rape is the rapist. That's true. But there are definitely places I stay away from and situations I keep myself out of because I know that it'd be stupid to assume that nothing will happen to me because I'm doing nothing wrong.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #18 December 23, 2005 You are right. (i know, im shocked saying it) We all should take measures for crime prevention. You wouldnt leave valuables in sight in your vehicle, so why flaunt yourself to any psycho whos giving you some attention? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #19 December 23, 2005 QuoteYeah. Your right... I think what Ians getting at is are they asking for it. I say no. noone asks to be raped but you cant go around teasing people and throwing yourself around cos as we all know the world aint a safe place and some people are nutters. You wind up the wrong person and it might happen. So... Responsible - NO Not helping themselves - sadly seems so When I was in college, a girl I knew went to one of the frat houses one night. They got her drunk and then they trained her. She was too toasted to do anything but lay there, and afterward, she felt as if it were her fault anyway, so she never pressed charges against them. She ended up leaving school. There are a lot of men in this world who take "no protest" to be "yes," and they don't understand the myriad motivations that underlie a woman's silence. It doesn't matter if a woman "asks for it," rape is rape. Don't do it. rl (There are exceptions to this that relate to an ongoing relationship and the assumptions we make while in one, but they have nothing to do with this thread. But even in a relationship where "yes" is implied, "no" still means "don't do it.")If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #20 December 23, 2005 Quoteok, another sinario..... i'm walking through a rough area of Nottingham at 3am, i'm wearing nice clothes and talking into my mobile phone.... i get mugged, am i not partly responsible for what just happened to me because of my own nievity in believing i should be safe in this world doing what ever i want? Stupid, maybe. Even probably. But not responsible. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #21 December 23, 2005 QuoteIt doesn't matter if a woman "asks for it," rape is rape. Don't do it. I agree and FYI I wasnt planning to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #22 December 23, 2005 QuoteYou are right. (i know, im shocked saying it) We all should take measures for crime prevention Yeah, carrying a gun would be a good one (referencing another thread). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #23 December 23, 2005 No means no.. period.. no matter what she is wearing.. period Any guy who does not understand that needs to go somewhere that he can practice saying NO... to no avail... for a very long time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #24 December 23, 2005 Quote No means no.. period.. no matter what she is wearing.. period Any guy who does not understand that needs to go somewhere that he can practice saying NO... to no avail... for a very long time have you seen Jodi Foster in The Accused?________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 December 23, 2005 Quotehave you seen Jodi Foster in The Accused? OH .. I get it.. so you think that if a woman is drunk or stoned.. then its ok.......right.. slip a ruffie in a drink....its just sex right?? BZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong answer No means no... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
