woman, sometimes partly responsible for rape?

[artistcalledian 0]

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have you seen Jodi Foster in The Accused?

OH .. I get it.. so you think that if a woman is drunk or stoned.. then its ok.......right.. slip a ruffie in a drink....its just sex right??



BZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong answer

No means no...

no, i mean what i said in the initial post of this topic

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[IanHarrop 42]

NO, she is not to blame and not responsible.

In this world you can control your own actions but not the actions of others. This is one of the few well defined truths there are.

A person that rapes is in control of their own actions. They are responsible for their actions, they are to blame.

Period - end of story.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[artistcalledian 0]

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NO, she is not to blame and not responsible.

In this world you can control your own actions but not the actions of others. This is one of the few well defined truths there are.

A person that rapes is in control of their own actions. They are responsible for their actions, they are to blame.

Period - end of story.

she is not to blame even partly? she can wear what ever she likes, where ever she likes and come on to a man as much as she likes... and at the very last moment, say no... and what happens next is none of her fault at all?

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[IanHarrop 42]

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NO, she is not to blame and not responsible.

In this world you can control your own actions but not the actions of others. This is one of the few well defined truths there are.

A person that rapes is in control of their own actions. They are responsible for their actions, they are to blame.

Period - end of story.

she is not to blame even partly? she can wear what ever she likes, where ever she likes and come on to a man as much as she likes... and at the very last moment, say no... and what happens next is none of her fault at all?

I thought I was clear the first time, may be this will help:
NO, she is not to blame and not responsible. A person that rapes is in control of their own actions. They are responsible for their actions, they are to blame.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[skydyvr 0]

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NO, she is not to blame and not responsible. A person that rapes is in control of their own actions. They are responsible for their actions, they are to blame.

Geez, can you buy into this stupid troll ANY deeper?

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[IanHarrop 42]

You're right - my bad. My last post in this thread.

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

[Flygurl 0]

I'm just curious on your view here:

I was in Jamaica recently and went to a nudie island.

If I had been raped while on the nudie island do you think it would have been mostly my own fault?

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[skydyvr 0]

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You're right - my bad. My last post in this thread.

Sorry -- not "you" in particular, just everyone who's participated in this stupid, uncontroversial "topic".

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[Amazon 7]

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Sorry -- not "you" in particular, just everyone who's participated in this stupid, uncontroversial "topic".

Yeah I guess you have to be raped for it to be a valid topic

[jumper03 0]

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have you seen Jodi Foster in The Accused?

OH .. I get it.. so you think that if a woman is drunk or stoned.. then its ok.......right.. slip a ruffie in a drink....its just sex right??



BZZZZZZZZZZT Wrong answer

No means no...

he's just a kid with an agenda trying to get attention.

Scars remind us that the past is real

[skydyvr 0]

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Sorry -- not "you" in particular, just everyone who's participated in this stupid, uncontroversial "topic".

Yeah I guess you have to be raped for it to be a valid topic

Par for the course, your comment doesn't make a bit of sense.

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[kbordson 8]

OK....
Lets go with your theory.
If she teases, dresses provoctively, places herself in a compromised situation by getting drunk/stoned in the wrong place.... lets say, for the point of argument that she then bears some of the blame.... what would you say... 30%? 10%?

Lets take this theory farther
If she smiles, wears makeup, and is with a "friend" that might be psychologically unstable? What's her blame there? 10%? 2%?

OK.... now
If she makes eye contact, is pretty and accidently finds herself in the wrong place? 2% 0.5%

I think the answer to every situation should be ZERO.
Otherwise you make the victim the accused. "Well... you shouldn't have worn that. Said that. Been that. If you hadn't done that, then this poor guy wouldn't have done this." WRONG. She made poor safety choices, but he chose to rape her. He has 100% of the blame.

[artistcalledian 0]

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I'm just curious on your view here:

I was in Jamaica recently and went to a nudie island.

If I had been raped while on the nudie island do you think it would have been mostly my own fault?

quite clearly not

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[Flygurl 0]

Enlighten me.

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[artistcalledian 0]

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OK....
Lets go with your theory.
If she teases, dresses provoctively, places herself in a compromised situation by getting drunk/stoned in the wrong place.... lets say, for the point of argument that she then bears some of the blame.... what would you say... 30%? 10%?

Lets take this theory farther
If she smiles, wears makeup, and is with a "friend" that might be psychologically unstable? What's her blame there? 10%? 2%?

OK.... now
If she makes eye contact, is pretty and accidently finds herself in the wrong place? 2% 0.5%

I think the answer to every situation should be ZERO?
Otherwise you make the victim the accused. Well... you shouldn't have worn that. Said that. Been that. If you hadn't done that, then this poor guy wouldn't have done this. WRONG. She made poor safety choices, but he chose to rape her. He has 100% of the blame.

i'm not into apportioning blame, ll i'm saying is that yes...doing some of those things makes her partly to blame,

i'm not saying it's right that a woman gets raped, obviously it's not... i'm saying that if she is stupid enough to think that in EVERY case and EVERY senario she is going to be safe, then she is wrong and thus must shoulder some of the blame for putting herself in an unsafe situation SOME of the time

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[artistcalledian 0]

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Enlighten me.

i've just answered your qustion

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[Amazon 7]

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Yeah I guess you have to be raped for it to be a valid topic

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Par for the course, your comment doesn't make a bit of sense.

DO you ever get tired of denigrating things that are real to others???

[kbordson 8]

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i'm not into apportioning blame, ll i'm saying is that yes...doing some of those things makes her partly to blame

But by even saying "partly responsible for the rape," you are assigning blame. My question was "how much?" Legally that would be a valid question.

If you don't want to do that, then she's NOT to blame.
Again, she put herself in a compromised situation, but he raped her.

[artistcalledian 0]

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But by even saying "partly responsible for the rape," you are assigning blame. My question was "how much?" Legally that would be a valid question.

if i start saying % figures, everybody jumps at the chance to argue the toss about how thats a disgrace and such. Its a small %, but still a %age on her

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[rushmc 23]

I didn't read his post to be about a woman that "deserved" to be raped. My take is he/she is asking what level of responcibility should they be prepared to take if they are?

Don't flame me!!! I am not, repeat, not taking a position on this one! I almost did not come in but the first posts including your got my attention.

Now I will attempt only to lurk this thread

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lindsey 0]

Would you be afraid to walk down 9th Street (or whatever comparable avenue in your city) at night in a short skirt and fuck-me pumps???? I would....because I would be afraid of what would happen to me. If I chose to do it anyway and were raped, then the rapist would be the one guilty of rape....not me. I'd be the victim of rape....something that I'd rather not be. by making a choice to put myself in harm's way, then I'd be partially responsible for what heppened to me. I wouldn't be "wrong" in any legal or moral sense, but I would've done something stupid. Something bad would've happened to me that wouldn't have happened if I'd have made different choices.

If we can't accept responsibility for what might happen to us if we put ourselves in bad situations then we really have no control over what happens to us at all. I've done some stupid things, and some bad things have happened as a result. I'd much rather be a person who has learned how to stay out of such situations than to be someone who is oblivious to the possible consequences of my actions.

So yeah....a woman can be partly responsible for a rape, though guilty of nothing.

linz

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Still trying to understand the consequences of being partly responsible. How does that change the guilt of the rapist? Does it mean he gets a lighter sentence because a woman was dressing provocative or was someplace unsafe for her at the wrong time?

Anybody who forces sex on an unwilling participant or underaged person, is at least guilty of rape regardless if they are male or female.

Period...

What's next, sex with the underaged because they looked so "hot"?

[skydyvr 0]

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DO you ever get tired of denigrating things that are real to others???

You're really my batty old ex-wife, disguising herself as a tallish head-down skydiver, right?

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if you really had balls you would have posted this in the womans forum

[Nightingale 0]

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So yeah....a woman can be partly responsible for a rape, though guilty of nothing.

linz

Coming from the point of view of a self defense instructor and someone who's found themself in a rotten situation, I see your point.

This probably isn't going to be a popular point of view, but having been in the kind of situation others describe here, I know that I did something stupid. The attack was not my fault. Being in a situation where I COULD be attacked was my fault. I was walking back to my car in a downtown area after leaving a coffee-house type concert. Someone actually offered to walk with me, but I said no. That was a damn stupid thing to do. Somebody attacked me. I got very lucky and got out of the situation with nothing worse than a sprained wrist. The worst part was that when I left the shop and started walking, I had that awful prickle on the back of my neck...something was making me feel scared and jumpy. I had a bad feeling about the situation, and I ignored it.

The bottom line is that if I hadn't been walking alone in the dark with nobody around, I probably wouldn't have been attacked. I put myself in a bad situation, and that was my own fault. I should have let my friend walk me to my car. I should've asked him for a ride to my car. I should NOT have been walking several rather deserted city blocks alone in the dark. Period. The attack was the fault of the attacker, but being in a situation where an attack could take place was my fault.

Everyone, but women especially, need to acknowledge that the world is not a safe place and take steps to avoid danger. It's our responsibility to make sure we are safe, simply because nobody else is going to do it for us.

I used to teach womens' self defense seminars. They were a couple of hours long, and we'd spend the first hour going over how not to get into situations where self defense is needed in the first place.

The main things we went over were:

1. don't walk alone after dark. if you have to call a security guard to walk with you from a store to your car, do it. That's part of what they're paid for.

2. don't have both hands full at the same time. you're more of a target if they think you can't move quickly. When you're out shopping, consolidate bags and make a couple of trips to your car if you need to.

3. if they just want your purse, give it to them.

4. Always carry your car keys in your pocket, not your purse (see rule 3...you don't want to get stuck without keys)

5. keep an eye and a hand on your drink when you're at a club or on a date with someone new. If you lose sight of it, get a new one.

6. always be aware of your surroundings. know where all the exits are.

7. don't wear clothing you can't move in or shoes you can't run in or get rid of easily if you have to.

8. even if you're lost, walk like you know exactly where you're going and are familiar with the area until you find someone you can ask for directions (shopkeepers or police or another woman on the street). Looking uncertain makes you more of a target.

9. don't ever get intoxicated to the point where you're not aware of your surroundings or can't defend yourself unless you're at home with only people you trust, and even then it's not a great idea.

10. If someone tries to take you somewhere, fight. If they get you to a second place of their choosing, there's a damn good chance you're going to end up dead. If they're trying to take you somewhere, you have nothing to lose, so fight. Chances are, they'll go look for an easier victim.

Rely on your mind, your senses, and your observation skills to keep you out of trouble. If you have a bad feeling about something, LISTEN TO IT, PLEASE!!!!! Worst case, if you start running, you'll look silly. Best case, you've just saved your life.