GTAVercetti 0 #226 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote John, watch my lips: Someone who has not reached the age of consent, cannot consent. Do you understand? It's not a consensual sex act. A fourteen year old cannot legally consent, even if she does say yes. It was a tangent. Everyone here but you understood what bill mean, and even you understood, you just pretended not to. Sheesh! Do you ever back down and admit that you're wrong? Or do you just hold your position until everyone else gives up on the discussion? rl This post makes me swoon. It should. It has a typo. I meant "meant" not "mean." rl I was swooning over content, my dear. Punctuation and spelling pale in comparison.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #227 January 7, 2006 QuoteIt wasn't a tangent. It was a response to your statements, as follows:If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape... ...the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove. So, according to those statements from your previous message, if a 21-year-old man talks a 14-year-old girl into having consensual sex with him, and she does it willingly, then it is okay. Of course not, John. Something magical happens on the day that even a supremely immature girl turns 18 years old, and it's no longer bad to take advantage of her and trick her into consenting to sex, even if you're 37 years old. But don't try it on the day that she's 17 years and 364 days old... because then you're a monster who belongs in jail. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #228 January 7, 2006 QuoteJohn, watch my lips: Someone who has not reached the age of consent, cannot consent. A subtle shift in syntax has occurred, here. Somehow you're now calling it the "age of consent" but I have always known it as the "age of majority" or the "age of adulthood." You make it sound like a woman cannot consent to anything before she is 18 years of age. You didn't write "age of SEXUAL consent." QuoteDo you understand? It's not a consensual sex act. A fourteen year old cannot legally consent, even if she does say yes. But ask her if she wants to take gymnastics lessons and she says yes, she's able to "consent"? Ask her if she wants to go to a private religious school instead of public school, and she is able to "consent"? SEX, a natural function that SOME people NATURALLY WANT AT AN EARLIER AGE THAN OTHERS is something that no one under the magical age of 18 years/0 days can consent to? That seems, to me, really stupid. And the fact that a person can go to jail for being a week early or even a day early underscores just how stupid that is. Plus, the fact that if a 16 year old girl goes and has sex with a 17 year old boy, he's not going to be charged with raping her is also stupid. If that 17 year old boy robbed a 55 year old woman, you'd charge him -- possibly as a minor and possibly as an adult -- with robbery. But if he coerces the 16 year old girl, who "can't give consent" just because she's 16 not 18, he won't be charged with the same crime that an 18 year old boy would even if that 18 year old boy had been dating the girl since he was 15 and she 13. Stupid. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #229 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteJohn, watch my lips: Someone who has not reached the age of consent, cannot consent. A subtle shift in syntax has occurred, here. Somehow you're now calling it the "age of consent" but I have always known it as the "age of majority" or the "age of adulthood." You make it sound like a woman cannot consent to anything before she is 18 years of age. You didn't write "age of SEXUAL consent." Actually, "age of consent" is a pretty welll known term. Here, I will help you out with a google search on it. http://www.google.com/search?q=age+of+consent&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official And it pretty much ALWAYS means SEXUAL consent.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #230 January 7, 2006 Do you dispute, though, that the scenario I laid out ("Heh heh, he said 'laid'!") makes the law about sexual consent seem really stupid? A guy dates a girl from 15-18, and they have sex with no illegality about it. He turns 18, and suddenly he is statutorily rapind his now-17-year-old girlfriend. That's just fuckin' dumb. She can give consent to a minor who's 17, but not to an adult who's 18 and one day?! Fuckin' moronic. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #231 January 7, 2006 QuoteDo you dispute, though, that the scenario I laid out ("Heh heh, he said 'laid'!") makes the law about sexual consent seem really stupid? A guy dates a girl from 15-18, and they have sex with no illegality about it. He turns 18, and suddenly he is statutorily rapind his now-17-year-old girlfriend. That's just fuckin' dumb. She can give consent to a minor who's 17, but not to an adult who's 18 and one day?! Fuckin' moronic. -Jeffrey No, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. It just so happens that was where it was drawn.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #232 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteJohn, watch my lips: Someone who has not reached the age of consent, cannot consent. A subtle shift in syntax has occurred, here. Somehow you're now calling it the "age of consent" but I have always known it as the "age of majority" or the "age of adulthood." This has already been answered as to the meaning of "age of consent" so I'm not going to answer it again except to say the following: There is no subtle shift of syntax. John knew what bill meant by consensual sex--that we were not talking about statutory rape or pedophila--and he hijacked the meaning of the discussion. Further, the "age of consent" is not always 18. QuoteBut ask her if she wants to take gymnastics lessons and she says yes, she's able to "consent"? Ask her if she wants to go to a private religious school instead of public school, and she is able to "consent"? Actually, she can't. Not legally. Her parents have to consent for her, although they can't sign away her legal rights. It's a little more fluid in practice, but children cannot consent. They're legal incompetents. QuoteSEX, a natural function that SOME people NATURALLY WANT AT AN EARLIER AGE THAN OTHERS is something that no one under the magical age of 18 years/0 days can consent to? That seems, to me, really stupid. And the fact that a person can go to jail for being a week early or even a day early underscores just how stupid that is. Okay, now you're off onto something else, so it's time for another thread or another poll or whatever. The line has to be drawn somewhere as to when a child is no longer a child. We do this to protect children. It's true that some "children" are more mature at 16 than others are at 18 or even later, but we still need a guideline. In practice, it doesn't happen all that often that 18 year old men are prosecuted for statutory rape. It only happens under certain circumstances, some deserved, others not. It may not always be fair, but sometimes it is, and we still have to have a line somewhere. QuoteStupid. Okay, what's your solution? Please don't solve it here. As I said, another thread, because this is completely off-topic for this one, and I can't handle another twofer thing this week. Seriously, didn't you enjoy it more when I was being a bitch? rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #233 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteJohn, watch my lips: Someone who has not reached the age of consent, cannot consent. A subtle shift in syntax has occurred, here. Somehow you're now calling it the "age of consent" but I have always known it as the "age of majority" or the "age of adulthood." This has already been answered as to the meaning of "age of consent" so I'm not going to answer it again except to say the following: There is no subtle shift of syntax. John knew what bill meant by consensual sex--that we were not talking about statutory rape or pedophila--and he hijacked the meaning of the discussion. Further, the "age of consent" is not always 18. QuoteBut ask her if she wants to take gymnastics lessons and she says yes, she's able to "consent"? Ask her if she wants to go to a private religious school instead of public school, and she is able to "consent"? Actually, she can't. Not legally. Her parents have to consent for her, although they can't sign away her legal rights. It's a little more fluid in practice, but children cannot consent. They're legal incompetents. QuoteSEX, a natural function that SOME people NATURALLY WANT AT AN EARLIER AGE THAN OTHERS is something that no one under the magical age of 18 years/0 days can consent to? That seems, to me, really stupid. And the fact that a person can go to jail for being a week early or even a day early underscores just how stupid that is. Okay, now you're off onto something else, so it's time for another thread or another poll or whatever. The line has to be drawn somewhere as to when a child is no longer a child. We do this to protect children. It's true that some "children" are more mature at 16 than others are at 18 or even later, but we still need a guideline. In practice, it doesn't happen all that often that 18 year old men are prosecuted for statutory rape. It only happens under certain circumstances, some deserved, others not. It may not always be fair, but sometimes it is, and we still have to have a line somewhere. QuoteStupid. Okay, what's your solution? Please don't solve it here. As I said, another thread, because this is completely off-topic for this one, and I can't handle another twofer thing this week. Seriously, didn't you enjoy it more when I was being a bitch? rl Yet another one going off on a completely different tangent... I give up on this debate...The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #234 January 7, 2006 QuoteYet another one going off on a completely different tangent... I give up on this debate... I have dandelion brain PMS. What's you're excuse for not being able to keep up? If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #235 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteYet another one going off on a completely different tangent... I give up on this debate... I have dandelion brain PMS. What's you're excuse for not being able to keep up? I was able to keep up, just giving up out of frustration when people can't seem to keep the conversation reasonably close to the original topic....The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #236 January 7, 2006 Quote I was able to keep up, just giving up out of frustration when people can't seem to keep the conversation reasonably close to the original topic.... It's PJ's basic nature to go off on tangents. He has an undisciplined (young) mind. Many original thoughts floating around in there, but they must be lassoed and wrestled into submission. And he has a bit of a temper. He hasn't yet learned that the adrenaline of anger transiently lowers one's IQ by a point or 30. God only knows what he's going to say about this. I'm sure I'm dead. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #237 January 7, 2006 Upset that your girlfriend isnt legal yet?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #238 January 7, 2006 QuoteUpset that your girlfriend isnt legal yet? Now wouldn't that depend on what state she's living in?The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #239 January 7, 2006 LMAO yes Sir it would....Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #240 January 7, 2006 QuoteI was swooning over content, my dear. Punctuation and spelling pale in comparison. You swoon over my post, I swoon over you. I guess that's balanced. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #241 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuote I was able to keep up, just giving up out of frustration when people can't seem to keep the conversation reasonably close to the original topic.... It's PJ's basic nature to go off on tangents. He has an undisciplined mind. Many original thoughts floating around in there, but they must be lassoed and wrestled into submission. And he has a bit of a temper. He hasn't yet learned that the adrenaline of anger transiently lowers one's IQ by a point or 30. God only knows what he's going to say about this. I'm sure I'm dead. rl Going off on tangents is one thing but there are limits as to how far you should go. At least there should be, but what do I know?The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #242 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteI was swooning over content, my dear. Punctuation and spelling pale in comparison. You swoon over my post, I swoon over you. I guess that's balanced. Fortunately I've gotten past swooning, guess it comes with age. Now if I could just do something about the drooling.... The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #243 January 7, 2006 QuoteSeriously, didn't you enjoy it more when I was being a bitch? No, buthow did you like my clever, elaborate ruse to get you to admit that that's what you had been being? (and how's that for a weird sentence?!) -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #244 January 7, 2006 QuoteGoing off on tangents is one thing but there are limits as to how far you should go. At least there should be, but what do I know? Oh, geez, that reminds me of the story of this guy down here in Florida who was standing on the side of the road trying to get his bicycle chain back on the sprocket. The problem was, it was all rusty and... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #245 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteSeriously, didn't you enjoy it more when I was being a bitch? No, buthow did you like my clever, elaborate ruse to get you to admit that that's what you had been being? Get back to me when you figure out what really happened. Quote(and how's that for a weird sentence?!) Par for the course? If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #246 January 7, 2006 Historically, the age of consent was set up to coincide with the onset of puberty. Does anyone know which states have the age of consent set as less than 18? Are there any left? If there are, what state(s) are they and what is the age of consent? Jerry Lee Lewis got in a heap of trouble in the late fifties when he married his 14 year old cousin. It was legal. It just pissed off a bunch of moralistic pinheads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #247 January 7, 2006 Quoteonset of puberty uh puberty starts as young as age 9 now a days.... Quoteage of consent set as less than 18 GA for oneSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #248 January 7, 2006 To borrow a phrase from the Duke boys... "YEEEEE-HAAAAAAA!!!!" -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #249 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSeriously, didn't you enjoy it more when I was being a bitch? No, buthow did you like my clever, elaborate ruse to get you to admit that that's what you had been being? Get back to me when you figure out what really happened. I got it! I got it! You didn't stop being a bitch!! What do I win?! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #250 January 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteI was swooning over content, my dear. Punctuation and spelling pale in comparison. You swoon over my post, I swoon over you. I guess that's balanced. I think that works perfectly. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
