JohnRich 4 #126 January 5, 2006 QuoteI've known some pretty adventurous guys, but I've never known one of them to intentionally lick up his own ejaculate after anal sex. What about the point in the performance up until he started licking the whipped cream. Before that specific moment, couldn't it have represented something else? He is a performance "artist" after all, and such people use symbolism... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #127 January 5, 2006 Yeah...but I think he intended to lick it off before he even put it on, so I doubt he was thinking what you say he was. If it was chocolate syrup instead of whipped cream, would that symbolize that he took a shit on me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #128 January 5, 2006 And I seriously doubt this guy thinks about symbolism before he does a show (just a hunch though) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #129 January 5, 2006 QuoteJust curious...have you ever been to a strip club before? I may be old-fashioned, but I haven't lived in a cave all my life. The answer is "yes". And some of my experiences there, is what is coloring my opinions here. Why do you suppose that strip clubs for men feature "pole dancing"? It means something. It's symbolism. Just like maybe the whipped cream used on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #130 January 5, 2006 Well, I hope if I ever have a son, he doesn't go to places like these where women are symbolically raping him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #131 January 5, 2006 QuoteYeah...but I think he intended to lick it off before he even put it on Probably. But that doesn't mean that he didn't intend for it to symbolize something else in the meantime. QuoteIf it was chocolate syrup instead of whipped cream, would that symbolize that he took a shit on me Actually, you help illustrate my point. The fact is, he didn't choose chocolate syrup. There's probably a reason for that. I wonder why he chose something white? P.S. Just to be clear here, I don't think you're a horrible person for submitting to this. You actually seem very sweet and decent. I just don't like seeing women treated poorly against their will. I respect women greatly. You were tricked into this and used for the show in a way you admit you wouldn't have done if you had known in advance. So it's not a 100% willing act on your part, as I see it. That's what's got me going on this. Yeah, in the context in which it occurred, it's not a big deal. It's just the protective male in me coming out, and I certainly intend to convey nothing derogatory about you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #132 January 5, 2006 QuoteSo my friend rented out a club tonight for her birthday party and she had a few male strippers there. This one stripper pulls me out of the audience and brings me up front and we started dancing. Then he whispers in my ear, "ok, I'm gonna put you down on the floor now...just go with it." So he throws me down, face down on the floor. I'm thinking ok, this is weird, and out of the corner of my eye, I'm watching my friends going crazy, and I see him pull out a can of whipped cream. Then before I know what's happening, he pulls my pants down, puts the whipped cream in my ass crack and licks it off!!! So, I'm wondering, is this normal for a stripper to do??? You didn't offer consent to an act that you even knew was coming. I'd say it measures up to sexual assault. -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #133 January 5, 2006 QuoteWell, I hope if I ever have a son, he doesn't go to places like these where women are symbolically raping him Since the men are there willingly to watch, I don't think it can be called "rape". And for a lap dance, you gotta pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #134 January 5, 2006 Maybe he's allergic to chocolate, or maybe it's just a lot easier and less messy to spray whipped cream out of a can! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #135 January 5, 2006 QuoteMaybe he's allergic to chocolate, or maybe it's just a lot easier and less messy to spray whipped cream out of a can! Or perhaps it was just a show without the assumed sexual act... Nah, it couldn't be that simple could it??The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #136 January 5, 2006 Nooooo...of course it couldn't be that simple...the art of stripping takes alot of thought and symbolism so that it really makes people think. Isn't that what we go for...to get lost in thought? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #137 January 5, 2006 Sometimes, people just type themselves into a corner. From a personal perspective, I think that I have licked whipped cream (Redi-Whip) off of most of the female bodily areas that I can think of. Why? Because they like it and I like it, not because of some Freudian mish-mash. This has definitely gotten over-thinked. Chocolate syrup makes a huge mess on clothes, sheets, and whatever else it comes in contact with. If you consume enough honey, you OD on sugar and you feel sickly. Spray whipped cream is easy to apply on stage and easy to clean up before they leave. If a snake bites you? Well, you knew it was a snake when you picked it up. If people walk onto a strip club stage... game on. Besides, it turns out that women like the attention, the game play, and being drunk and wild. Whether anyone agrees, it's a new day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #138 January 5, 2006 QuoteMaybe he's allergic to chocolate, or maybe it's just a lot easier and less messy to spray whipped cream out of a can! Or maybe you are naive in to assume that a male stripper, whose goal is to sexually titillate women, wouldn't use such symbolism. Was he wearing that skimpy g-string just because it was comfortable, or because it was supposed to get the women excited? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #139 January 5, 2006 QuoteNooooo...of course it couldn't be that simple...the art of stripping takes alot of thought and symbolism so that it really makes people think. Isn't that what we go for...to get lost in thought? That may be why you go, for myself I go for the good music and stimulating conversation....The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #140 January 5, 2006 QuoteOr perhaps it was just a show without the assumed sexual act... Nah, it couldn't be that simple could it?? I admit I've never watched male strippers, and have no desire to do so. But I do know that female strippers most definitely make suggestive movements in their shows. And I presume that male strippers are no different. If they weren't doing that, then they'd be no different than, say, a male ballet dancer. But I never saw a ballerina make the kind of moves I've seen in strip clubs. There's a reason for that. Strippers are supposed to be sexually suggestive. I can't believe anyone could suggest otherwise. Otherwise, they wouldn't be called "strippers". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #141 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd the act didn't simulate what he said it did. Were you there? No. And neither were you. But you sure do have a vivid imagination about what went on and what it meant. QuoteHow do you know what the male performer intended... How do you know what the performer intended... I have this philosophy in life. There are intentions, and there are actions. Only actions count. It is not possible, ever, to know for sure what is in the mind of another. QuoteI suppose female lap dancers don't really intend to simulate sex when they're squirming around on the lap of a male customer? It has nothing to do with intentions. Lap dances are simulated sex. That's why men buy them. QuoteYou're blasting me for my assumptions, yet you are making some of your own, without really knowing what was in the mind of the performer... Actually, I'm in utter awe of your vivid imagination. John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #142 January 5, 2006 Quotethe art of stripping takes alot of thought and symbolism so that it really makes people think. Isn't that what we go for...to get lost in thought? Correct - thoughts of sex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #143 January 5, 2006 QuoteJohn, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I think you just did... I've got the whipped cream!The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #144 January 5, 2006 QuoteThis is yet another exemple why, as men, we are seriously deprived of many life experiences. When's the last time one of you guys got a rimming at the strip club? Who says we men are deprived of rimming? It may not happen at a strip club, but... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #145 January 5, 2006 QuoteYou didn't offer consent to an act that you even knew was coming. I'd say it measures up to sexual assault. -Jeffrey She already said she didn't feel sexually assaulted. Your opinion of what happened doesn't trump the way she feels about it. Sorry. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #146 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuotethe art of stripping takes alot of thought and symbolism so that it really makes people think. Isn't that what we go for...to get lost in thought? Correct - thoughts of sex. "Thoughts of sex" is not "symbolic licking up of used semen after anal sex." rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #147 January 5, 2006 >Porno movies, especially, never, ever show cum shots. OK, that explains some of your assumptions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #148 January 5, 2006 Nobody's saying they're not sexually suggestive...they obviously are. The whole show is sexual...but to take it that far that he was implying what you said he was, well, I just don't think so. Have you been to a club recently? The kinds of clubs your granddaughters will most likely go to? Well...you should see how they dance! But it's just an act...it's not real! At least not until they go home together... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #149 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteOr perhaps it was just a show without the assumed sexual act... Nah, it couldn't be that simple could it?? I admit I've never watched male strippers, and have no desire to do so. But I do know that female strippers most definitely make suggestive movements in their shows. And I presume that male strippers are no different. If they weren't doing that, then they'd be no different than, say, a male ballet dancer. But I never saw a ballerina make the kind of moves I've seen in strip clubs. There's a reason for that. Strippers are supposed to be sexually suggestive. I can't believe anyone could suggest otherwise. Otherwise, they wouldn't be called "strippers". Sexually suggestive, but to state he was simulating anal sex? If that was the case why did he lick off the whipped cream after the simulated act? Exciting the crowd for bigger tips is what he was doing, it had nothing to do with anal sex. I suppose if he had sprayed it on her breasts and licked it off that it would have simulated 'titty fucking'....The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #150 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou didn't offer consent to an act that you even knew was coming. I'd say it measures up to sexual assault. -Jeffrey She already said she didn't feel sexually assaulted. Your opinion of what happened doesn't trump the way she feels about it. Sorry. rl So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Lucky for HIM, she didn't feel sexually assaulted, because what he did would meet a legal standard to be sexual assault. WTF are you thinking? And you're a woman?! Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? The next woman might. And you condone it because a victim was willing, or at least "imperturbed"? And WTF again -- are you just following me around to start shit about everything I say in every thread? Just leave me alone, already. Christ, you're acting like a stalker! -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
