billvon 3,008 #151 January 5, 2006 >So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and >she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Correct. If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape - even if it involves someone she doesn't know very well, or whipped cream. >Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? Not you, apparently. But the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #152 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou didn't offer consent to an act that you even knew was coming. I'd say it measures up to sexual assault. -Jeffrey She already said she didn't feel sexually assaulted. Your opinion of what happened doesn't trump the way she feels about it. Sorry. rl So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Lucky for HIM, she didn't feel sexually assaulted, because what he did would meet a legal standard to be sexual assault. WTF are you thinking? And you're a woman?! Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? The next woman might. And you condone it because a victim was willing, or at least "imperturbed"? And WTF again -- are you just following me around to start shit about everything I say in every thread? Just leave me alone, already. Christ, you're acting like a stalker! -Jeffrey She was at a male strip show and she got on stage with the stripper, what followed would not be considered sexual assault. There isn't a DA in the country who would even consider attempting to take this to trial. If the stripper had groped her or ripped off her clothing that would be a different story. All he did was to lick whipped cream off her buttocks, while sexually suggestive it is a far cry from sexual assault. Once again we're at a point where common sense needs to be applied. If a woman (or man) goes to a strip show common sense dictates that it will be sexually suggestive. Common sense also dictates that if you get on stage with a stripper during a show that you should expect to be used as a prop.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #153 January 5, 2006 Quote>So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and >she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Correct. If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape - even if it involves someone she doesn't know very well, or whipped cream. Do you really stand by that? What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in the act? You feel he should not be prosecuted? I don't think that makes much sense. If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. It's not about whether I forgive him, but whether he committed a criminal act, and should be punished for it for the protection of society at large. -Jeffrey >Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? Not you, apparently. But the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove.-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #154 January 5, 2006 Wow, aren't you glad that you asked for opinions on here? I, too, was sexually assaulted by a male stripper one time - well, actually three of them... They pulled me on stage and forced me to sit in a chair and watch while they danced suggestively all around me in their skimpy little thongs... It was horrible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #155 January 5, 2006 QuoteSo if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? We're not talking about rape here. QuoteLucky for HIM, she didn't feel sexually assaulted, because what he did would meet a legal standard to be sexual assault. That's not likely given the facts. QuoteWTF are you thinking? And you're a woman?! I'm thinking that you're out of your element. And yes, the last time I looked I was still a woman. QuoteWho gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? The next woman might. And you condone it because a victim was willing, or at least "imperturbed"? The answer would be: If you don't enjoy the show, leave. QuoteAnd WTF again -- are you just following me around to start shit about everything I say in every thread? Just leave me alone, already. Christ, you're acting like a stalker! Fact: You have responded to my posts 14 times. This is my 14th response to you. Fact: In every single thread in which I have responded to your posts, I was responding to other posts before your entre into the thread, i.e., I was posting in those threads before you got there. Who's stalking whom? rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #156 January 5, 2006 I'm so sorry to hear that..we should start a support group Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #157 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuote>So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and >she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Correct. If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape - even if it involves someone she doesn't know very well, or whipped cream. Do you really stand by that? What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in the act? You feel he should not be prosecuted? I don't think that makes much sense. If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. It's not about whether I forgive him, but whether he committed a criminal act, and should be punished for it for the protection of society at large. -Jeffrey >Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? Not you, apparently. But the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove. Ok, this probably belongs in another thread but anyway.... IF the rapist attacks a woman and she winds up enjoying it should he be prosecuted? No, if the woman doesn't consider it to be rape then it isn't, it's consensual sex.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,008 #158 January 5, 2006 >What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then >he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press >charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in > the act? If the police ask her "were you raped, ma'am?" and she says "no, I met this guy at a club and left with him" then he is prosecuted for his previous acts of rape, but not for having consensual sex with this woman. It doesn't matter what YOU think went on; what matters is whether SHE gave consent. >If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges >against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. If you leave $20 on a bar after a night of drinking, and the bartender takes it as a tip, should he be prosecuted for theft because you really meant to give it to your friend? What if you say "no, it was a tip" - should they still prosecute him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #159 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote>So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and >she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Correct. If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape - even if it involves someone she doesn't know very well, or whipped cream. Do you really stand by that? What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in the act? You feel he should not be prosecuted? I don't think that makes much sense. If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. It's not about whether I forgive him, but whether he committed a criminal act, and should be punished for it for the protection of society at large. -Jeffrey >Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? Not you, apparently. But the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove. Ok, this probably belongs in another thread but anyway.... IF the rapist attacks a woman and she winds up enjoying it should he be prosecuted? No, if the woman doesn't consider it to be rape then it isn't, it's consensual sex. And then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. You know, it's still a crime if you shoot me, even if I ask you to shoot me. If I ask you to "rape" me, it's not rape. If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still committed -- particularly where the perpetrator was concerned. And he's still a danger to society. I do not, personally, want forgiving victims (of all sorts of crimes, not just rape) to determine whether we put their attackers in jail or not. Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #160 January 5, 2006 QuoteI'm so sorry to hear that..we should start a support group Good idea... it may need to involve regular trips to male strip clubs so that we can be desensitized to their suggestive actions... or perhaps it should involve reciprocating the suggestive actions on the male strippers so that we can regain our sense of power... or perhaps doing both would be the best therapy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #161 January 5, 2006 QuoteAnd then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. You know, it's still a crime if you shoot me, even if I ask you to shoot me. If I ask you to "rape" me, it's not rape. If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still committed -- particularly where the perpetrator was concerned. And he's still a danger to society. I do not, personally, want forgiving victims (of all sorts of crimes, not just rape) to determine whether we put their attackers in jail or not. Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? -Jeffrey You're missing the point of your own argument. Regardless of how many rapes he may have commited previously in this case the police have nothing to go on because the woman isn't going to consider it to be rape. They will have to find their evidence from previous rapes he did commit or from any he may commit in the future but if they try to prosecute this one the woman will get on the stand and say "no, I wasn't raped" and the case will be thrown out. He could be the lowest of scum bags but IN THIS CASE there isn't anything to prosecute if the victim doesn't consider themself to be a victim.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rsmn17 0 #162 January 5, 2006 Definatly a great idea...but then we'd have to join another support group for being called crack addicted whores Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #163 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm so sorry to hear that..we should start a support group Good idea... it may need to involve regular trips to male strip clubs so that we can be desensitized to their suggestive actions... or perhaps it should involve reciprocating the suggestive actions on the male strippers so that we can regain our sense of power... or perhaps doing both would be the best therapy. Dam'n, I knew I should have become a male stripper!!The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rsmn17 0 #164 January 5, 2006 There's still time if you hurry...but it is pretty demanding work considering all the symbolism put into it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,008 #165 January 5, 2006 >And then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike > the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. Nope. Like I said, arrest him for his prior crimes (using your example above.) > If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior >arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the > victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still >committed -- Oh my god! I've raped Amy hundreds of times! >Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and >then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a >murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? Are you going to bring in genocide next? We were talking about a stripper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #166 January 5, 2006 QuoteYou're missing the point of your own argument. More important, this thread is not about rape. The argument about rape is several threads down. Trying to equate part of a strip club show to rape is an crazy leap of illogic. The analogy failed at the outset. Let's not give it any more credence than we already have. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #167 January 5, 2006 QuoteThere's still time if you hurry...but it is pretty demanding work considering all the symbolism put into it Now the sexual stimulation part I'm sure I could handle but now you're saying I have to play the cymbals as well? Dam'n, I'm not musically inclined... Oh well, it was a thought anyway... The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #168 January 5, 2006 Interesting stuff. People determining what constitutes virtue for others. If only all those guys in the Midwest knew what their g/f was doing in Daytona on vacation. Of course, that brings up the question of whether people are all that concerned. The "OMG, women are out there enjoying being sexually playful" reaction. (My only concern is being omitted.) I have sisters, nieces, and female friends. Yep, they all seem to be human beings. The oddest thing is the reaction of other women. I saw it New Years Eve. Some of the younger women were feeling a little frisky and the older ones would take them aside. "Stand over here with me dearie..." "We have to protect them from acting like we did 8 years ago..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #169 January 5, 2006 And robbed of credence, the analogy shall walk the night in solitude and despair... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aprilcat 0 #170 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe looks like she's having a BLAST from the photo, and isn't that what going there was about? Going to see strippers is usually about watching them, not being turned into part of the stage show yourself. And there's public pressure in a scenario like this to pretend to enjoy it, even if you don't, in order not to create "a scene" or to appear like a prude. Fuddy-Duddy You misunderstand what I said--I'm not commenting on being part of the show. I said LOOKS like she's having a blast (that being the reason to GO). I don't know how this entire thread got to name-calling and getting the D.A. involved or how escorting teenaged girls to a concert compares to taking granddaughters to a strip club but I've been to strip clubs both male and female. In a FEMALE STRIP SHOW: If a man wants contact he has to pay for it. In the MALE STRIP SHOWS: The men will come GET you and if you don't want to go they won't pull you up on stage forcibly. They won't, they won't they won't, they WON'T. They usually tell you to 'hang on' or "I'm not going to hurt you' before they start. Its a sexual magic act. A male stripper will ALWAYS grab the shy women. I bet our OP was the shy one at her table and that makes for the best show--no stripper wants their mark (dance partner, willing victim, whatever you want to call it) to outshine them. How can a stripper do his tricks if a woman is commanding the show? It doesn't work that way. Maybe we should turn this iinto 'the best darn trick I've ever seen at a stripshow' thread and call it a night. The best trick I've ever seen was that time the stripper levitated me using his nose. And before anyone calls me a crackwhore..I'm not. I'm the one that turns into a mouse at these things so I KNOW who they go for. I know where I'm going and whats going to happen there, and I know nobody is going to pull me onto the stage if I'm adamant about it. But its not churc!!~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #171 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteperhaps you should teach them NOT TO GET ON STAGE then... (good luck) because once you do you are part of the act.... Negative. Just because a woman gets on stage with a stripper, doesn't mean that "anything goes". That's an old fuddy-duddy rule, not in vogue much any more. anything that is in reality as innocent as whipped cream certainly goes... even if it makes the old moral tight asses freak out over an ACT. Perhaps they should expect simulated sex acts in a strip club? Maybe the leather chaps were a clue? Perhaps closer study at home on the difference between 'reality' and 'performance' will help sort this strange connection you make between willing participation in a stage performance and becoming a crack whore?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #172 January 5, 2006 Quote John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I feel all tingly inside.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #173 January 5, 2006 QuotePerhaps they should expect simulated sex acts in a strip club? But do you really think that this act simulated a man licking up his own semen after anal sex? This is the thing that snared me in this thread more than anything else. It's so bizarre, so out of the realm of what most people do... As far as I know, ordinary strip clubs cater to relatively mundane tastes--they're not going to last long if the acts they portray are so kinky as to gross out their regular clientele. There are other, specialty clubs for those with more exotic desires. I've had some interesting experiences in my life, and I read a lot. This is the first and only time I've ever heard of whipped cream being symbolic for semen. And quite honestly, I don't know too many guys who clean up after themselves with their tongues. Between this and the crack whore nonsense ... I wonder if any of the "fuddy duddies" realize that they have demonized and verbally assaulted the original poster. She does not deserve the treatment she has received at the hands of some of the posters here, merely for posing an innocent query about the experiences of others. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #174 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuote John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I feel all tingly inside. If John persists in this nonsense, it'll be time for a double-blind taste test. "On this side, we have Cool-Whip, Redi-Whip, Dream Whip, et al., and on the other, our panel of brave volunteers." rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #175 January 5, 2006 It's at this point I feel the need to add: ANAL SEEEEX ANAAAAL SEX "Anal sex is confusing to many Christians because of the attention paid to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexual acts. However, it’s important to realize that these often quoted scriptures refer only to sexual acts between two men. Nowhere does the Bible forbid anal sex between a male and female. " The Bible says, “To the pure, all things are pure.” (Titus 1:15) The Lord created your body, and no part of it is imperfect or unclean. God also created our bodies for pleasure, and anal sex is just one of the many ways, including standard sexual intercourse, that we can enjoy this pleasure and share it with a partner. "Although the anus is used for elimination, in reality it is not as dirty as you think, especially after a shower or bath. Elimination is also a natural process of our God-given bodies, so our conception of the anal area as dirty has more to do with our own psychological hang-ups. If the idea of direct contact with this area is still distasteful to you, the male can wear a condom as a barrier" SO THE STRIPPER WAS DOING GODS WORK!!! ANAAAAL SEX ANAAL SEX ANAAAAAAAAAAAAAL SEX and ejaculate. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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yamtx73 0 #157 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuote>So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and >she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Correct. If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape - even if it involves someone she doesn't know very well, or whipped cream. Do you really stand by that? What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in the act? You feel he should not be prosecuted? I don't think that makes much sense. If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. It's not about whether I forgive him, but whether he committed a criminal act, and should be punished for it for the protection of society at large. -Jeffrey >Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? Not you, apparently. But the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove. Ok, this probably belongs in another thread but anyway.... IF the rapist attacks a woman and she winds up enjoying it should he be prosecuted? No, if the woman doesn't consider it to be rape then it isn't, it's consensual sex.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #158 January 5, 2006 >What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then >he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press >charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in > the act? If the police ask her "were you raped, ma'am?" and she says "no, I met this guy at a club and left with him" then he is prosecuted for his previous acts of rape, but not for having consensual sex with this woman. It doesn't matter what YOU think went on; what matters is whether SHE gave consent. >If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges >against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. If you leave $20 on a bar after a night of drinking, and the bartender takes it as a tip, should he be prosecuted for theft because you really meant to give it to your friend? What if you say "no, it was a tip" - should they still prosecute him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #159 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote>So if a woman is raped and then later says it was no big deal and >she's over it, the state should not prosecute the man who raped her? Correct. If a woman has sex in a way that YOU consider to be rape, but she's OK with it, it is not rape - even if it involves someone she doesn't know very well, or whipped cream. Do you really stand by that? What if a rapist has been eluding the local police for months, and then he rapes a woman who ends up enjoying the experience and won't press charges for rape or even CALL it rape, and that's the time he's caught in the act? You feel he should not be prosecuted? I don't think that makes much sense. If someone robs me, and later on I beg a judge to drop the charges against him because I've forgiven him, the state still rightly prosecutes him. It's not about whether I forgive him, but whether he committed a criminal act, and should be punished for it for the protection of society at large. -Jeffrey >Who gives a fuck if she didn't dislike what he did to her? Not you, apparently. But the standard for sexual assault/rape is consent - and if she is OK with what he did, then it is OK by definition, even if others disapprove. Ok, this probably belongs in another thread but anyway.... IF the rapist attacks a woman and she winds up enjoying it should he be prosecuted? No, if the woman doesn't consider it to be rape then it isn't, it's consensual sex. And then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. You know, it's still a crime if you shoot me, even if I ask you to shoot me. If I ask you to "rape" me, it's not rape. If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still committed -- particularly where the perpetrator was concerned. And he's still a danger to society. I do not, personally, want forgiving victims (of all sorts of crimes, not just rape) to determine whether we put their attackers in jail or not. Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #160 January 5, 2006 QuoteI'm so sorry to hear that..we should start a support group Good idea... it may need to involve regular trips to male strip clubs so that we can be desensitized to their suggestive actions... or perhaps it should involve reciprocating the suggestive actions on the male strippers so that we can regain our sense of power... or perhaps doing both would be the best therapy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #161 January 5, 2006 QuoteAnd then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. You know, it's still a crime if you shoot me, even if I ask you to shoot me. If I ask you to "rape" me, it's not rape. If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still committed -- particularly where the perpetrator was concerned. And he's still a danger to society. I do not, personally, want forgiving victims (of all sorts of crimes, not just rape) to determine whether we put their attackers in jail or not. Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? -Jeffrey You're missing the point of your own argument. Regardless of how many rapes he may have commited previously in this case the police have nothing to go on because the woman isn't going to consider it to be rape. They will have to find their evidence from previous rapes he did commit or from any he may commit in the future but if they try to prosecute this one the woman will get on the stand and say "no, I wasn't raped" and the case will be thrown out. He could be the lowest of scum bags but IN THIS CASE there isn't anything to prosecute if the victim doesn't consider themself to be a victim.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rsmn17 0 #162 January 5, 2006 Definatly a great idea...but then we'd have to join another support group for being called crack addicted whores Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #163 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm so sorry to hear that..we should start a support group Good idea... it may need to involve regular trips to male strip clubs so that we can be desensitized to their suggestive actions... or perhaps it should involve reciprocating the suggestive actions on the male strippers so that we can regain our sense of power... or perhaps doing both would be the best therapy. Dam'n, I knew I should have become a male stripper!!The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rsmn17 0 #164 January 5, 2006 There's still time if you hurry...but it is pretty demanding work considering all the symbolism put into it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,008 #165 January 5, 2006 >And then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike > the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. Nope. Like I said, arrest him for his prior crimes (using your example above.) > If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior >arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the > victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still >committed -- Oh my god! I've raped Amy hundreds of times! >Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and >then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a >murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? Are you going to bring in genocide next? We were talking about a stripper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #166 January 5, 2006 QuoteYou're missing the point of your own argument. More important, this thread is not about rape. The argument about rape is several threads down. Trying to equate part of a strip club show to rape is an crazy leap of illogic. The analogy failed at the outset. Let's not give it any more credence than we already have. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yamtx73 0 #167 January 5, 2006 QuoteThere's still time if you hurry...but it is pretty demanding work considering all the symbolism put into it Now the sexual stimulation part I'm sure I could handle but now you're saying I have to play the cymbals as well? Dam'n, I'm not musically inclined... Oh well, it was a thought anyway... The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #168 January 5, 2006 Interesting stuff. People determining what constitutes virtue for others. If only all those guys in the Midwest knew what their g/f was doing in Daytona on vacation. Of course, that brings up the question of whether people are all that concerned. The "OMG, women are out there enjoying being sexually playful" reaction. (My only concern is being omitted.) I have sisters, nieces, and female friends. Yep, they all seem to be human beings. The oddest thing is the reaction of other women. I saw it New Years Eve. Some of the younger women were feeling a little frisky and the older ones would take them aside. "Stand over here with me dearie..." "We have to protect them from acting like we did 8 years ago..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #169 January 5, 2006 And robbed of credence, the analogy shall walk the night in solitude and despair... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aprilcat 0 #170 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe looks like she's having a BLAST from the photo, and isn't that what going there was about? Going to see strippers is usually about watching them, not being turned into part of the stage show yourself. And there's public pressure in a scenario like this to pretend to enjoy it, even if you don't, in order not to create "a scene" or to appear like a prude. Fuddy-Duddy You misunderstand what I said--I'm not commenting on being part of the show. I said LOOKS like she's having a blast (that being the reason to GO). I don't know how this entire thread got to name-calling and getting the D.A. involved or how escorting teenaged girls to a concert compares to taking granddaughters to a strip club but I've been to strip clubs both male and female. In a FEMALE STRIP SHOW: If a man wants contact he has to pay for it. In the MALE STRIP SHOWS: The men will come GET you and if you don't want to go they won't pull you up on stage forcibly. They won't, they won't they won't, they WON'T. They usually tell you to 'hang on' or "I'm not going to hurt you' before they start. Its a sexual magic act. A male stripper will ALWAYS grab the shy women. I bet our OP was the shy one at her table and that makes for the best show--no stripper wants their mark (dance partner, willing victim, whatever you want to call it) to outshine them. How can a stripper do his tricks if a woman is commanding the show? It doesn't work that way. Maybe we should turn this iinto 'the best darn trick I've ever seen at a stripshow' thread and call it a night. The best trick I've ever seen was that time the stripper levitated me using his nose. And before anyone calls me a crackwhore..I'm not. I'm the one that turns into a mouse at these things so I KNOW who they go for. I know where I'm going and whats going to happen there, and I know nobody is going to pull me onto the stage if I'm adamant about it. But its not churc!!~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #171 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteperhaps you should teach them NOT TO GET ON STAGE then... (good luck) because once you do you are part of the act.... Negative. Just because a woman gets on stage with a stripper, doesn't mean that "anything goes". That's an old fuddy-duddy rule, not in vogue much any more. anything that is in reality as innocent as whipped cream certainly goes... even if it makes the old moral tight asses freak out over an ACT. Perhaps they should expect simulated sex acts in a strip club? Maybe the leather chaps were a clue? Perhaps closer study at home on the difference between 'reality' and 'performance' will help sort this strange connection you make between willing participation in a stage performance and becoming a crack whore?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #172 January 5, 2006 Quote John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I feel all tingly inside.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #173 January 5, 2006 QuotePerhaps they should expect simulated sex acts in a strip club? But do you really think that this act simulated a man licking up his own semen after anal sex? This is the thing that snared me in this thread more than anything else. It's so bizarre, so out of the realm of what most people do... As far as I know, ordinary strip clubs cater to relatively mundane tastes--they're not going to last long if the acts they portray are so kinky as to gross out their regular clientele. There are other, specialty clubs for those with more exotic desires. I've had some interesting experiences in my life, and I read a lot. This is the first and only time I've ever heard of whipped cream being symbolic for semen. And quite honestly, I don't know too many guys who clean up after themselves with their tongues. Between this and the crack whore nonsense ... I wonder if any of the "fuddy duddies" realize that they have demonized and verbally assaulted the original poster. She does not deserve the treatment she has received at the hands of some of the posters here, merely for posing an innocent query about the experiences of others. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #174 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuote John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I feel all tingly inside. If John persists in this nonsense, it'll be time for a double-blind taste test. "On this side, we have Cool-Whip, Redi-Whip, Dream Whip, et al., and on the other, our panel of brave volunteers." rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #175 January 5, 2006 It's at this point I feel the need to add: ANAL SEEEEX ANAAAAL SEX "Anal sex is confusing to many Christians because of the attention paid to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexual acts. However, it’s important to realize that these often quoted scriptures refer only to sexual acts between two men. Nowhere does the Bible forbid anal sex between a male and female. " The Bible says, “To the pure, all things are pure.” (Titus 1:15) The Lord created your body, and no part of it is imperfect or unclean. God also created our bodies for pleasure, and anal sex is just one of the many ways, including standard sexual intercourse, that we can enjoy this pleasure and share it with a partner. "Although the anus is used for elimination, in reality it is not as dirty as you think, especially after a shower or bath. Elimination is also a natural process of our God-given bodies, so our conception of the anal area as dirty has more to do with our own psychological hang-ups. If the idea of direct contact with this area is still distasteful to you, the male can wear a condom as a barrier" SO THE STRIPPER WAS DOING GODS WORK!!! ANAAAAL SEX ANAAL SEX ANAAAAAAAAAAAAAL SEX and ejaculate. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 7 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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yamtx73 0 #161 January 5, 2006 QuoteAnd then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. You know, it's still a crime if you shoot me, even if I ask you to shoot me. If I ask you to "rape" me, it's not rape. If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still committed -- particularly where the perpetrator was concerned. And he's still a danger to society. I do not, personally, want forgiving victims (of all sorts of crimes, not just rape) to determine whether we put their attackers in jail or not. Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? -Jeffrey You're missing the point of your own argument. Regardless of how many rapes he may have commited previously in this case the police have nothing to go on because the woman isn't going to consider it to be rape. They will have to find their evidence from previous rapes he did commit or from any he may commit in the future but if they try to prosecute this one the woman will get on the stand and say "no, I wasn't raped" and the case will be thrown out. He could be the lowest of scum bags but IN THIS CASE there isn't anything to prosecute if the victim doesn't consider themself to be a victim.The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #162 January 5, 2006 Definatly a great idea...but then we'd have to join another support group for being called crack addicted whores Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #163 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm so sorry to hear that..we should start a support group Good idea... it may need to involve regular trips to male strip clubs so that we can be desensitized to their suggestive actions... or perhaps it should involve reciprocating the suggestive actions on the male strippers so that we can regain our sense of power... or perhaps doing both would be the best therapy. Dam'n, I knew I should have become a male stripper!!The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rsmn17 0 #164 January 5, 2006 There's still time if you hurry...but it is pretty demanding work considering all the symbolism put into it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #165 January 5, 2006 >And then you're leaving him to do that again, to a person who (unlike > the aberrant rape-enjoying previous victim) does not wish to be raped. Nope. Like I said, arrest him for his prior crimes (using your example above.) > If a person goes and forces sex on someone without a prior >arrangement and agreement to engage in sexual activity, and then the > victim actually says she doesn't mind, after the fact, a rape was still >committed -- Oh my god! I've raped Amy hundreds of times! >Some people will forgive the criminal who murdered their spouse and >then ask a court for leniency on his behalf. Should we all have to suffer a >murderer in our midst because one person is really (absurdly) forgiving? Are you going to bring in genocide next? We were talking about a stripper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #166 January 5, 2006 QuoteYou're missing the point of your own argument. More important, this thread is not about rape. The argument about rape is several threads down. Trying to equate part of a strip club show to rape is an crazy leap of illogic. The analogy failed at the outset. Let's not give it any more credence than we already have. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #167 January 5, 2006 QuoteThere's still time if you hurry...but it is pretty demanding work considering all the symbolism put into it Now the sexual stimulation part I'm sure I could handle but now you're saying I have to play the cymbals as well? Dam'n, I'm not musically inclined... Oh well, it was a thought anyway... The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #168 January 5, 2006 Interesting stuff. People determining what constitutes virtue for others. If only all those guys in the Midwest knew what their g/f was doing in Daytona on vacation. Of course, that brings up the question of whether people are all that concerned. The "OMG, women are out there enjoying being sexually playful" reaction. (My only concern is being omitted.) I have sisters, nieces, and female friends. Yep, they all seem to be human beings. The oddest thing is the reaction of other women. I saw it New Years Eve. Some of the younger women were feeling a little frisky and the older ones would take them aside. "Stand over here with me dearie..." "We have to protect them from acting like we did 8 years ago..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #169 January 5, 2006 And robbed of credence, the analogy shall walk the night in solitude and despair... -Jeffrey-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aprilcat 0 #170 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe looks like she's having a BLAST from the photo, and isn't that what going there was about? Going to see strippers is usually about watching them, not being turned into part of the stage show yourself. And there's public pressure in a scenario like this to pretend to enjoy it, even if you don't, in order not to create "a scene" or to appear like a prude. Fuddy-Duddy You misunderstand what I said--I'm not commenting on being part of the show. I said LOOKS like she's having a blast (that being the reason to GO). I don't know how this entire thread got to name-calling and getting the D.A. involved or how escorting teenaged girls to a concert compares to taking granddaughters to a strip club but I've been to strip clubs both male and female. In a FEMALE STRIP SHOW: If a man wants contact he has to pay for it. In the MALE STRIP SHOWS: The men will come GET you and if you don't want to go they won't pull you up on stage forcibly. They won't, they won't they won't, they WON'T. They usually tell you to 'hang on' or "I'm not going to hurt you' before they start. Its a sexual magic act. A male stripper will ALWAYS grab the shy women. I bet our OP was the shy one at her table and that makes for the best show--no stripper wants their mark (dance partner, willing victim, whatever you want to call it) to outshine them. How can a stripper do his tricks if a woman is commanding the show? It doesn't work that way. Maybe we should turn this iinto 'the best darn trick I've ever seen at a stripshow' thread and call it a night. The best trick I've ever seen was that time the stripper levitated me using his nose. And before anyone calls me a crackwhore..I'm not. I'm the one that turns into a mouse at these things so I KNOW who they go for. I know where I'm going and whats going to happen there, and I know nobody is going to pull me onto the stage if I'm adamant about it. But its not churc!!~~April Camelot II, the Electric Boogaloo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #171 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteperhaps you should teach them NOT TO GET ON STAGE then... (good luck) because once you do you are part of the act.... Negative. Just because a woman gets on stage with a stripper, doesn't mean that "anything goes". That's an old fuddy-duddy rule, not in vogue much any more. anything that is in reality as innocent as whipped cream certainly goes... even if it makes the old moral tight asses freak out over an ACT. Perhaps they should expect simulated sex acts in a strip club? Maybe the leather chaps were a clue? Perhaps closer study at home on the difference between 'reality' and 'performance' will help sort this strange connection you make between willing participation in a stage performance and becoming a crack whore?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #172 January 5, 2006 Quote John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I feel all tingly inside.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #173 January 5, 2006 QuotePerhaps they should expect simulated sex acts in a strip club? But do you really think that this act simulated a man licking up his own semen after anal sex? This is the thing that snared me in this thread more than anything else. It's so bizarre, so out of the realm of what most people do... As far as I know, ordinary strip clubs cater to relatively mundane tastes--they're not going to last long if the acts they portray are so kinky as to gross out their regular clientele. There are other, specialty clubs for those with more exotic desires. I've had some interesting experiences in my life, and I read a lot. This is the first and only time I've ever heard of whipped cream being symbolic for semen. And quite honestly, I don't know too many guys who clean up after themselves with their tongues. Between this and the crack whore nonsense ... I wonder if any of the "fuddy duddies" realize that they have demonized and verbally assaulted the original poster. She does not deserve the treatment she has received at the hands of some of the posters here, merely for posing an innocent query about the experiences of others. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #174 January 5, 2006 QuoteQuote John, I've had sex involving whipped cream. I also swallow when I give a blow job. Trust me. There's a huge difference. If you'd like me to spell it out for you, I'll be happy to. rl I feel all tingly inside. If John persists in this nonsense, it'll be time for a double-blind taste test. "On this side, we have Cool-Whip, Redi-Whip, Dream Whip, et al., and on the other, our panel of brave volunteers." rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #175 January 5, 2006 It's at this point I feel the need to add: ANAL SEEEEX ANAAAAL SEX "Anal sex is confusing to many Christians because of the attention paid to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexual acts. However, it’s important to realize that these often quoted scriptures refer only to sexual acts between two men. Nowhere does the Bible forbid anal sex between a male and female. " The Bible says, “To the pure, all things are pure.” (Titus 1:15) The Lord created your body, and no part of it is imperfect or unclean. God also created our bodies for pleasure, and anal sex is just one of the many ways, including standard sexual intercourse, that we can enjoy this pleasure and share it with a partner. "Although the anus is used for elimination, in reality it is not as dirty as you think, especially after a shower or bath. Elimination is also a natural process of our God-given bodies, so our conception of the anal area as dirty has more to do with our own psychological hang-ups. If the idea of direct contact with this area is still distasteful to you, the male can wear a condom as a barrier" SO THE STRIPPER WAS DOING GODS WORK!!! ANAAAAL SEX ANAAL SEX ANAAAAAAAAAAAAAL SEX and ejaculate. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
