US probes eavesdropping leak

[rushmc 23]

I await the collective outrage!

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2005-12-30T154345Z_01_EIC055795_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-EAVESDROPPING.xml&rpc=22


edited to add; I predict a news person will end up in jail on a contempt charge for not revealing a source

What do you predict the media reaction to this might be

Compared to the Plame joke??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,028]

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I await the collective outrage!

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2005-12-30T154345Z_01_EIC055795_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-EAVESDROPPING.xml&rpc=22


edited to add; I predict a news person will end up in jail on a contempt charge for not revealing a source

What do you predict the media reaction to this might be

Compared to the Plame joke??

Funny how just 12 days ago you were outraged that Pelosi and Reid had NOT revealed the existence of Bush's snooping program:

Pelosi declined to explain why she didn't make public her concerns about the authorization, which Democrats now say was an outrageous abuse of civil rights.

Instead, Pelosi admitted keeping silent about the "unspecified activities" even though she now believes they may have been illegal, saying Bush's acknowledgment of the NSA program on Saturday "raises serious questions as to what the activities were and whether the activities were lawful."
On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid also admitted he kept silent about the controversial program, even though he was briefed on its existence "a couple of months ago

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[AlexCrowley 0]

You can tell a lot about a person from their signature.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[rasmack 0]

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You can tell a lot about a person from their signature.

Really?

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[rushmc 23]

Nice re-direct
and I am not sure what "outrage" I had that you speak of?

I am outraged that anybody takes Pelosi seriously however

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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You can tell a lot about a person from their signature.

Really?

NICE!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Hmm

At least I am working on it!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AlexCrowley 0]

I gave up trying, eventually you realize its not about that but about living in a different world.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[rushmc 23]

I am glad I am not in your world. Must be dismal place.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AlexCrowley 0]

Only looking thru your lens.
As said on a different thread. Your assumptions about me might be wholly incorrect.

Why do you attempt to pigeon hole me into something you are familiar with so you can criticize me? I say enough stupid shit that you shouldnt have to assume anything about who I am.

Instead you draw conclusions caused by your own prejudices.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[rushmc 23]

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Only looking thru your lens.
As said on a different thread. Your assumptions about me might be wholly incorrect.

Why do you attempt to pigeon hole me into something you are familiar with so you can criticize me? I say enough stupid shit that you shouldnt have to assume anything about who I am.

Instead you draw conclusions caused by your own prejudices.

Again, words mean things, and different things to different people. I do not pigeon hole you but one has to make some assumptions from what they read......

Also, it seems you have completed a judgement on me......haven't you? Or do I misread that comment too?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AlexCrowley 0]

Yes. I have no idea about who you are. I haven't started to consider who you are. I dont know whether youre male/famale/mail/tree/rock. I wont try either unless we're shaking hands at a DZ somewhere.

Other than trying to have a conversation with you about stuff because you often say things I disagree with and want to think about, I really haven't considered who 'rushmc' is, might be, will be. When I want to know I will, but generally I try to avoid wanting to know stuff about people.

So sorry, yeah, I read your posts and respond without thinking anything about who you may or may not be. For all I know you could be the POTS - so it would be pretty dumb for me to assume anything about anyone in any way, unless they offer the information themselves.

shit i need a pill.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[funjumper101 15]

Where are the cries of outrage that the DOJ isn't investigating who authorized the illegal activities?

Oh yeah, Bush already copped to it, so the DOJ already knows who is responsible. All that legal mumbo-jumbo doesn't apply when you are fighting the "war on terror". Why would the DOJ actually go after a lawbreaker that happens to be their boss? How silly it is to expect them to do their job.

The Bush Administration = Anything goes, right up to a premeditated war of aggression, kidnapping, torturing, and anything else that seems like a good idea at the time. The Constitution and all other laws are trivial bullshit when it comes to fighting the "war on terror". They just don't apply when we are at "war".

I am finally beginning to understand Anvil, Rushmc, and the some of other folks here. The Constitution and all that other legal stuff have aged out and are no longer applicable. How could I not see that?

We need to convert to a theocracy in the US ASAP. We already created one in Iraq. Clearly it is the wave of the future. Our current method of government doesn't work. There are too many pesky people trying to make our government follow its own laws. If we had a nice christian theocracy and a great man like shrub running it we would all be better off. It is so obvious to me now. We could kill or expel all those that don't think like us and make this a really great and unified country. And we can do it in the name of god. How cool is that?

Thank you so much for your contributions here. You have another convert. The enlightenment I feel is awesome! Thanks again. I really appreciate it.

How can I help further the cause?

I have to go download some Rush Limbaugh and Michael Medved shows and get cracking on my education. I'll be setting up my Tivo tonight to record Fox news and the O'Reilly Factor. I promise I'll watch them over and over until they make sense. Are there any other sources of unbiased information that you can recommend? I'm stoked.

[Amazon 7]

I saw a movie trailer the other day... The movie is coming out in 2006. An American Theocracy the symbol they use is a red cross on a black background..looked prophetic.

V for Vendetta

http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/

People should not be afraid of thier governments, governments should be afraid of theri people...

BOY is that the truth with these people.

[rushmc 23]

The activities are not illegal.
Regan, Carter, Clinton and GWB have all used the same power. In 2004 is was upheld in court.

I stopped reading after the first line........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Crossing tracks a bit...

When Plame's cover was blown, the demoncrats screamed for accountability about the leak.

Now the leak comes out about the "secret prisons" that the CIA is supposed to have operated, and the demoncrats are silent about going after whoever leaked it?


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[AlexCrowley 0]

F the trailer, get the bloody book.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[mnealtx 0]

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Crossing tracks a bit...

When Plame's cover was blown, the demoncrats screamed for accountability about the leak.

Now the leak comes out about the "secret prisons" that the CIA is supposed to have operated, and the demoncrats are silent about going after whoever leaked it?


-Jeffrey

And this surprises you, how??

Welcome back, btw....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

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Crossing tracks a bit...

When Plame's cover was blown, the demoncrats screamed for accountability about the leak.

Now the leak comes out about the "secret prisons" that the CIA is supposed to have operated, and the demoncrats are silent about going after whoever leaked it?


-Jeffrey

There should be concern or anger over any leaked classidied info but ( and maybe I haven't been too clear on this) the anger had better be for the right reasons and consistant.

Ex: Plame, her name came out in the paper. An outing was charged. If this had been the case and Bush was involved I would have wanted all involved to go to prison. When all the facts are looked at in context. The whole thing was political in nature only. Plame sent Wilson, the commitee discounted most of Wilsons report, Cheany never sent him, in reality Wilson's repoort , in some respects, backed up the yellow cake claim. And then to top it off, Wilson had been parading his wife around the Washington party circle and introduciing her as his CIA employed wife?? Now, after all of this a party screams leak, leak someone has to go to jail, Bush is at fault?? My Bullshit meter exploded. This was a case of political gothcha only.

Next case
Secret Prisons and the NSA program.
Congress knows about them, the NSA program has been veted through a court (more than once), they are highly classifed and someone leaks them.
Now the Dems are silent?? I can only conclude that because of the way the media is presenting them the Dems percieve damage to Bush so , for the Dems as least, the ends justify them means. The leaker, in this case, did them a favaor so, the one that leaked this has done the country (and thier party) a favor so it is no big deal.

As for the NSA program itself. I don't like it but, I do not know all there is to know about it either so the hell being raised about is comes down party lines.

Instead of a debate of what is good for the country it is in another oportunity (for the Dems and the main media) to Get Bush

That is my perspective (as best as I can put it to words) In this context how can I view any of this other than pure political bullshit?

...my fingers are tired and the backspace key is now worn out.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rasmack 0]

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When Plame's cover was blown, the demoncrats screamed for accountability about the leak.

Now the leak comes out about the "secret prisons" that the CIA is supposed to have operated, and the demoncrats are silent about going after whoever leaked it?

Well, it isn't uncommon for people to feel different about an ordinary leak and a whistleblower. I don't know much about any of the cases in question, but if a government employee reveals illegal actions by the government (contrary to leaking the name of an intelligence operative), this would per definition be a good thing, or...?

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[rushmc 23]

If in either case, no law was being broken, which I believe to be the case, what would you expect to happen?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rasmack 0]

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If in either case, no law was being broken, which I believe to be the case, what would you expect to happen?

I would expect both camps to keep shouting unintellig... inintelli... stupidly at each other no matter what turns out to be the case.

Happy new year

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[rushmc 23]

Happy, healthy and safe New Year to you too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Crossing tracks a bit...

When Plame's cover was blown, the demoncrats screamed for accountability about the leak.

Now the leak comes out about the "secret prisons" that the CIA is supposed to have operated, and the demoncrats are silent about going after whoever leaked it?

I see the concept of intent is completely wasted on you....

[Amazon 7]

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F the trailer, get the bloody book.

DUUUUUUDE.. do expect very many of these peeps would actually read.... That is why I put the link to the movie.. its the only thing that the majority in this country can almost tolerate.... and a whole lot of the peeps here in SC will not even go see that since it does not agree with thier world view.. they will just write it off to more left wing Hollywood hype.