Is Gibraltar British or Spanish?

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There it goes....

Gibraltar has remained in British Hands since 1704 after it was taken away from the Spanish. In 1713 the treaty of Utrecht, signed by the British and the Spanish, ceded the territory permanently to the British Crown. That treaty was forced upon the Spanish recovering from a long war.
The Spanish government wants it back, the British don't want to do it and the people from Gibraltar mostly wants to stay in the UK, other part prefers to be Spanish.

Now, is it OK for a country of the EU to keep a colony in a another EU fellow country and allied?


Rob

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[christelsabine 1]

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There it goes....

Gibraltar has remained in British Hands since 1704 after it was taken away from the Spanish. In 1713 the treaty of Utrecht, signed by the British and the Spanish, ceded the territory permanently to the British Crown. That treaty was forced upon the Spanish recovering from a long war.
The Spanish government wants it back, the British don't want to do it and the people from Gibraltar mostly wants to stay in the UK, other part prefers to be Spanish.

Now, is it OK for a country of the EU to keep a colony in a another EU fellow country and allied?


Rob

Why not?

The island of Mallorca is in German hands, definately!
(Might cause few minor battles with the Brits, but....)

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[bch7773 0]

thats the problem with permanent leases. I think if Spain wants it back they should pay for it with money or trade deals or soemthing.

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[artistcalledian 0]

we'll keep it thanks

we're not called Great Britain for nothing

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[Sen.Blutarsky 0]

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we're not called Great Britain for nothing

Only because you keep insisting on it and it annoys the French


Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners!

[artistcalledian 0]

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we're not called Great Britain for nothing

Only because you keep insisting on it and it annoys the French


Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners!

true, we don't like those cheese eating surrender monkies

i remember the good old days when we used to be an empire, gone are the days when i nice Indian fellow would bring a nice cup of tea out to us English fellows in the middle of the day, then sit wafting a fan over our heads

Bring back the slave trade....erm... the happy to serve days

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[kallend 2,027]

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There it goes....

Gibraltar has remained in British Hands since 1704 after it was taken away from the Spanish. In 1713 the treaty of Utrecht, signed by the British and the Spanish, ceded the territory permanently to the British Crown. That treaty was forced upon the Spanish recovering from a long war.
The Spanish government wants it back, the British don't want to do it and the people from Gibraltar mostly wants to stay in the UK, other part prefers to be Spanish.

Now, is it OK for a country of the EU to keep a colony in a another EU fellow country and allied?


Rob

Is Texas actually Mexican?

Lots of international borders are the result of long ago wars and treaties. How many do you want to renegotiate?

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Rob

[artistcalledian 0]

yes it's ok

and yes, bring back slavery

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Who can you possibly say to bring back slavery and colonialism?

[pirana 0]

It's British territoty isn't it? Enough said.

Every place on Earth used to belong to somebody else. Where would you stop?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Every place on Earth used to belong to somebody else. Where would you stop?

sometime before ending up in either Cleveland or Columbus

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For good or bad Gib is British, The only time Spain takes any notice of Gibraltar is when the home political front is quiet,
an the politicians feel the need to open thier fat mouths. (or when the British navy tows another broken nuclear sub to the ship yards)

What Spain should remember is that if they want anyone to take them seriously about Gibraltar they should start the ball rolling
by giving back the territories they have in Morroco. (Ceuta and Melilla)

Gone fishing

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For good or bad Gib is British, The only time Spain takes any notice of Gibraltar is when the home political front is quiet,
an the politicians feel the need to open thier fat mouths. (or when the British navy tows another broken nuclear sub to the ship yards)

What Spain should remember is that if they want anyone to take them seriously about Gibraltar they should start the ball rolling
by giving back the territories they have in Morroco. (Ceuta and Melilla)

It's quite true that sometimes it goes pretty quiet and then something happens and everybody starts talking about it. That it's normal in all societies anyway, things tend to calm down and then for whatever reason fires up again.

About Ceuta y Melilla, they are cities founded and built by Spain, not conquered. It happened much before Morocco existed, that's is the argument used by the Spanish government to refuse to the Moroccan claim over those two cities. All the territories held by Spain in North Africa were returned to the legitimate owners in the early 70's. It's a shame that it toke that long anyway.

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It would suck if the people living there were forced to join another nation against there will.

bit like the native American indians?

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bit like the native American indians?

It's Europe. More like the Scot and Irish assimilation into the UK.


Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners!

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It's Europe. More like the Scot and Irish assimilation into the UK.
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irish assimilation into the uk???
you gotta be kidding?????
ireland is an independant country.........

unless you mean the six counties of northern ireland and i hardly call that assimilation!

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Now, is it OK for a country of the EU to keep a colony in a another EU fellow country and allied?

Well, what does the law say? There ought to be something that would provide for how to handle such a "dispute".

It sounds like bitterness on the part of the Spanish, to me.

If you want to revisit history, why not go back centuries to when all the territory in Europe was changing hands when the Gauls, the Saxons, the Moors, the whoevers, were raping, pillaging and conquering?

I mean, at what frozen point in time were all the properties in the hands they were "supposed" to be in?

Territory has gone back and forth. Not every treaty ever signed was signed when the signators were in the best of positions. TFB. (Too Fuckin' Bad.) That's the way wars and treaties go!

If someone wants back land that it lost after a war, it needs to go to war for it, or OFFER A FAIR PRICE.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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we'll keep it thanks

we're not called Great Britain for nothing

Great at gradually losing the majority of your "empire," yep-o!



We got the paperwork to prove it!

"U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!!"


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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It's British territoty isn't it? Enough said.

Every place on Earth used to belong to somebody else. Where would you stop?

Ex-fuckin'-actly.

Everyone wants to be a revisionist.

The same reason that any territory in Europe ever changed hands hundreds of years ago is the same reason that settlers in America took land by force from the "Indians" here. But I don't hear anyone arguing for the native Frenchians to be given back territory that might now be Germany because some tribes in the 9th century or something conquered the Frenchians who were living there...

But we Americans sure as hell catch shit for what "we" (you mean my Polish and Russian ancestors who were 100+ years from coming to the U.S.?) did to the Indians...


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[shropshire 0]

Best to ask the Gribraltarians...... If I remember correctly, the last time they were asked they did NOT want to be Spanish.

But for me as a kid (we lived there for a while, when dad was in the RAF) it was great - Warm and foriegn, yet with familiar Englishness..... I went back a few years ago and it's actually a bit if a shite hole.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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It sounds like bitterness on the part of the Spanish, to me.

Hey, i am here the only spaniard and i am not bitter. You brits can keep Gibraltar all you want as long as you don´t keep breaking nuclear submariness and repair them there. I mean, how hard can it be to drive a sub from A to B without bang it in every rock the mediterranean sea has.

Now that we are at it, you guys can keep Cataluña and Basque country as well, the only condition is that you take the people living there as well. They are a royal pain in the ass and talk weird.

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Oh, i forgot, Morocco can keep ceuta y melilla, as long as they keep their citizens in Africa.

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Every place on Earth used to belong to somebody else. Where would you stop?

sometime before ending up in either Cleveland or Columbus

Scared me for a minute there. Thought you were going to say the MN/WI border - in which case my home and our DZ would be in the hands of an Indian Tribe. All those flashing lights, busloads of gamblers from the outer ring suburbs, and washed up rock acts would put me over the edge. But then again, think of all the tandem traffic to support the Otter. I can see the headline now:

"Rock Star Rod Stewart, 72, Makes Tandem Skydive Into Casino Rock Concert."

In a related story, 783 octogenarians were admitted to the Baldwin Area Hospital with mild to severe injuries when the plane performing the lift to altitude was seen to "buzz" the crowd at an altitude of only 3 feet. The pilot, on learning of the injuries, was heard to mutter "Oh shit, I forgot they can't crouch."

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley