Gary73 10 #1 February 14, 2017 Working on a Tempo with a date of manufacture of "8-02-00". Is that August 2nd 2000 or 8th of February 2000? "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnyCrawford 0 #2 February 14, 2017 I would ask the manufacturer. It's 16½ to 17 years old - does 6 months one way or the other really matter? Those pesky Europeans like to use Day-Month-Year, while the pesky Americans like Month-Day-Year. So when the Day value is 12 or less, you can't tell them apart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #3 February 14, 2017 Day/Month/Year I have one that is stamped "19-1-03" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary73 10 #4 February 14, 2017 PISA got absorbed into Zodiac. Hard to get an answer out of a big operation like that. (Their submit-a-question web page has about a dozen mandatory information fields.) Figured someone here would know off the top of their head. No, it doesn't matter that much; I just want to document it correctly. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary73 10 #5 February 14, 2017 likestojump Day/Month/Year I have one that is stamped "19-1-03" Thanks! "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 February 14, 2017 Tempos are still decent reserves ..... as long as they have less than half-a-dozen jumps and are loaded less than 4 pounds per square foot. Hah! Hah! (Note my sarcasm about loading.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldfartsrule 0 #7 February 15, 2017 when i worked at Parachute equipment Corp, ,they were telling people that Tempo's had a problem with blowing up.any truth to that or was it just Propaganda? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 February 15, 2017 Propaganda! When I worked at Square One, sales people bad-mouthed Tempos and Dolphins because they sold for such low prices that their commission was insignificant. I have never noticed any defects of workmanship on any canopy sewn by Parachute Industries of South Africa. I have only seen frayed cross-ports on one small Tempo ... but was owned by a guy who loaded it at least 2 pounds per square foot and had deployed it a half-dozen times! As for built-in turns .... I have only heard that from one student. Mind you he complained of an unusual turn on a Manta 280 main canopy a few seconds earlier. After he landed, we noticed his unusual harness adjustment method: one long MLW and he other MLW adjusted to the correct length for his torso. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
irishrigger 32 #9 February 15, 2017 I have 6-7 rides on a Tempo reserve and i found them excellent. i had a wing loading of 1.7+1.8 and i got a stand up every time. never heard of a tempo blowing up. we still have 3 of them on our Pilot emergency rigs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #10 February 16, 2017 I love Tempos. I have ten of them in rental rigs.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pobrause 6 #11 February 16, 2017 Nothing wrong with tempos other than their lifetime limit of only 20 years, which some people seem to ignore routinely...------------------------------------------------------- To absent friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 February 16, 2017 Please share the page in the PISA manual that sets a 20 year life. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pobrause 6 #13 February 16, 2017 please contact the manufacturer PISA or whatever it was eaten by nowadays and ask them directly. This is what the german rigging association did, receiving a 20 year lifetime confirmation. Consequently, all Tempos older than 20 years get grounded in Germany and most parts of Europe, that care enough to ask. There are no rules in Germany that impose ANY lifetime limit on skydiving equipment in general so if not for the manufacturers guidelines there would be no reason to ground anything just because it's old. Not really sure about it but I might recall a discussion on here regarding retroactively applied lifetime limits by manufacturers and how that does or does not affect rigging practise in the US/CA. So what a producer has to say about his products after a couple of years might not even be of interest to you over there or if this even was a retroactively anounced lifetime limit in the first place. The last manual I've seen didn't contain any information regarding a lifetime limit, that's why I asked the vp of the german rigging association and he confirmed the 20y ltl. But I understand, nothing is official without something official and so I just sent an Email to them with the request to clarify why hundreds of Tempos got and will get grounded here in Germany after 20 years. They might be visiting the PIA right now so I don't expect their answer tomorrow morning but when I have it I'll make sure to post it on here and we'll see from there.------------------------------------------------------- To absent friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexey 6 #14 February 16, 2017 Quote There are no rules in Germany that impose ANY lifetime limit on skydiving equipment in general It is not true. In fact, on the contrary - they have a lifetime limit for all equipmentLexa 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pobrause 6 #15 February 16, 2017 aha ...no... We don't, period. the greatest achivements of Austria are, that the world regards Hitler as a german and Mozart als austrian. Austria 20 year lifetime limit on everything, Germany nothing. Please don't mix us up, no good has ever come from that.------------------------------------------------------- To absent friends Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #16 February 16, 2017 Pobrause aha ...no... We don't, period. the greatest achivements of Austria are, that the world regards Hitler as a german and Mozart als austrian. Austria 20 year lifetime limit on everything, Germany nothing. Please don't mix us up, no good has ever come from that. Let's see some documents. So far you've made a lot of statements - back them up please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 February 16, 2017 Once we see documents from PISA, Zodiac or Parachutes de France, we can have a serious discussion. Manufacturers' instructions must be followed by every rigger, or you stand alone in court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #18 March 21, 2017 Pobrause aha ...no... We don't, period. Austria 20 year lifetime limit on everything, Germany nothing. Rush: lifespan 15 years (another reserve, but German manufactur) http://www.firebird.de/fb/downloads/manuals/evo.pdf, pg 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #19 March 22, 2017 jurgencamps ***aha ...no... We don't, period. Austria 20 year lifetime limit on everything, Germany nothing. Rush: lifespan 15 years (another reserve, but German manufactur) http://www.firebird.de/fb/downloads/manuals/evo.pdf, pg 6 Arent Quick life limited too ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deyan 36 #20 March 22, 2017 likestojump Arent Quick life limited too ? Yes they are. 15 years as well"My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
