skydiverek 63 #1 February 15, 2017 What is new at PIA? Please list new gear, products, photos, etc.! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerolim 7 #2 February 15, 2017 And we want youtube videos !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #3 February 15, 2017 Please Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 41 #4 February 15, 2017 I think you're going to get videos here http://www.skydive-tv.com/2017-pia-meetings-symposium"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StKilda 0 #5 February 16, 2017 Skydivemag has a couple of good interviews too. https://www.facebook.com/SkydiveMag/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deimian 43 #6 February 16, 2017 What I've seen in FB: L&B: ProTrack II Mentions of "Ares II", "Echo" and something else, I don't remember the name. RI: A MARD: https://www.facebook.com/BlueSkiesMag/photos/a.10154179571321922.1073741842.58074541921/10154179571456922/?type=3&theater It seems to be pin-based, but I don't see how the pin gets pulled from the pocket. Cookie: M3 helmet (seems like an entry level open face) Icarus: TX2 tandem canopy SunPath: Aurora wingsuit container (but it was announced before PIA) UPT: "Mutant" harness system. I have no clue what that is, but seems to be some sort of harness for rigid wings (ala Jetman) https://www.facebook.com/BlueSkiesMag/photos/a.10154179571321922.1073741842.58074541921/10154181789141922/?type=3&theater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sammielu 3 #7 February 16, 2017 NZ Aerosports split from their counterpart company and they both use the name Icarus at the moment, it's the new brand Icarus that has a new tandem canopy out. NZ Aerosports designs their canopis using a whole bunch of 3D software and virtual physics testing that is way above my head - but that allows them to set the recovery arc exactly where they want it, for example. This technology was used on the Crossfire 3 and Safire 3, so consider both new, better, and more precise than the 2 series where they wanted to make changes. Cypress Wingsuit model is out. Mars M2 now has a changeable mode with more detailed display. Interesting that their AADS have 5 modes: student, intermediate, professional, tandem, and one I can't remember because it's 630 am (it's either slow for wingsuit or fast for speed). Several companies are using/introducing VR tools for training. Mostly military applications because what dz can afford a harness set up that moves you around and let's you physically practice canopy flight - but we'll see some goggles etc for sport jumper training too (i.e. for EPs). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Monosa 0 #8 February 16, 2017 Rigging Innovations MARD: https://vimeo.com/204347139 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jerolim 7 #9 February 16, 2017 There are a lot of videos here https://vimeo.com/skydivetv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #10 February 16, 2017 Some photos here: http://www.dropzone.com/news/Gear/What_s_New_-_The_Latest_Gear_at_PIA_2017_1280.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deimian 43 #11 February 16, 2017 Very interesting. It is seem like a cleaner version of RAX. The funny bit is that in a cutaway it seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself. I guess great care was put in making the pocket stiff and hardened enough. No mention of collins lanyard, and considering that the system can be retrofitted to old containers I guess that is not in their plans. Which is a pity. It looks to me like the best MARD setups out there are the ones from SIFE and SWS. Both pin-based, but with collins lanyard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Monosa 0 #12 February 16, 2017 DeimianNo mention of collins lanyard, and considering that the system can be retrofitted to old containers I guess that is not in their plans. Which is a pity. I thought the same as I watched the video. It would be easy to produce two versions ... but I think they have to pay a fee to UPT (patent protection), maybe this is their problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 107 #13 February 16, 2017 DeimianIt seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself.The load is applied to the piece of doubled 1000-pound spectra that runs across the mouth of the pin sleeve and is bartacked to the bridle. QuoteNo mention of collins lanyard. Collins lanyards are a response to the possibility of a premature opening of the reserve if the RSL-side main riser breaks/releases while the non-RSL-side main riser stays attached. The possibility exists for all RSL-equipped rigs, regardless of MARD installation. So how many such malfunctions have occurred recently? The number is not zero, of course, but it should be compared to the number of Collins lanyard-related malfunctions, which is also not zero. It's a matter of which risk you think is greater. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deimian 43 #14 February 16, 2017 mark***It seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself.The load is applied to the piece of doubled 1000-pound spectra that runs across the mouth of the pin sleeve and is bartacked to the bridle. Thanks for that, very informative. markQuoteNo mention of collins lanyard. Collins lanyards are a response to the possibility of a premature opening of the reserve if the RSL-side main riser breaks/releases while the non-RSL-side main riser stays attached. The possibility exists for all RSL-equipped rigs, regardless of MARD installation. So how many such malfunctions have occurred recently? The number is not zero, of course, but it should be compared to the number of Collins lanyard-related malfunctions, which is also not zero. It's a matter of which risk you think is greater. Mark That's a good point. But I have no numbers to make an informed analysis of pros vs cons. Besides, and to be honest, I've never heard of a collins lanyard malfunctioning. What are the new malfunction scenarios that the collins lanyard brings? Do you have any numbers to compare pros and cons? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RiverFly 0 #15 February 18, 2017 New low bulk wingsuit canopy from Performance Designs. "Horizon" Any other newly announced sport canopies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #16 February 18, 2017 markCollins lanyards are a response to the possibility of a premature opening of the reserve if the RSL-side main riser breaks/releases while the non-RSL-side main riser stays attached. The possibility exists for all RSL-equipped rigs, regardless of MARD installation. I think such situation is worse with MARD, because the reserve freebag would be pulled right into the main canopy. on the other side, with the RSL, only the reserve PC is activated, and it may go up a slightly different way, and not directly INTO the main canopy. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites degeneration 5 #17 February 18, 2017 Saw in a video that sunpath have made a javelin with an uptuck main flap instead of their usual downtuck flap.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #18 February 18, 2017 Photo / Screenshot please. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites degeneration 5 #19 February 18, 2017 skydiverekPhoto / Screenshot please. :-) https://www.facebook.com/TheJumpShopLtd/videos/1234407213342139/ That should be a link to the video I saw. Hopefully it will work. Makes the Jav Odyssey look a bit more like a Wings (based on a very quick glimpse).Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #20 February 18, 2017 MARS changeable mode also includes user adjustable activation altitude. They wouldn't let me take a photo of specs side of data sheet. Not public and unit not out until June. $1099. Oh, and change to ax type blade from circular cutter.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #21 February 19, 2017 degeneration***Photo / Screenshot please. :-) https://www.facebook.com/TheJumpShopLtd/videos/1234407213342139/ That should be a link to the video I saw. Hopefully it will work. Makes the Jav Odyssey look a bit more like a Wings (based on a very quick glimpse). THIS is best of both worlds (up and down): http://sws.aero/en/products/fire/main_container/protector_flap/ . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,362 #22 February 19, 2017 Hi Deimian, Quote It looks to me like the best MARD setups out there are the ones from SIFE and SWS. Both pin-based, but with collins lanyard. They both use the RAX System. Jerry Baumchen PS) I would suggest that people not post until you hear officially about any new MARD system. I talked extensively with the designer of this MARD in RI's rig. It was developed for a military rig due to a contract req'ment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 107 #23 February 19, 2017 JerryBaumchenI would suggest that people not post until you hear officially about any new MARD system. In that case: it's official! Rigging Innovations announces a new MARD! -Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,362 #24 February 19, 2017 Hi Deimian, QuoteIt is seem like a cleaner version of RAX. I just noticed your comment. On first look, it might seem that way. But, from a design & function consideration, it is nothing like the RAX System. Just my $0.02 on this, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KellyF 16 #25 February 21, 2017 Deimian The funny bit is that in a cutaway it seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself. To me, the funny bit is that this has been staring riggers in the face ever since toggle keepers came into existence, and people started setting their brakes above the guide ring and ripping the toggle keepers off Replace the toggle with a pin (some have a pin, even), and allow the "brake line" to pull in more than one direction, thereby providing a means for disconnecting itself, and a new MARD is bornI like it- small, simple and clean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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jerolim 7 #2 February 15, 2017 And we want youtube videos !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #4 February 15, 2017 I think you're going to get videos here http://www.skydive-tv.com/2017-pia-meetings-symposium"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StKilda 0 #5 February 16, 2017 Skydivemag has a couple of good interviews too. https://www.facebook.com/SkydiveMag/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #6 February 16, 2017 What I've seen in FB: L&B: ProTrack II Mentions of "Ares II", "Echo" and something else, I don't remember the name. RI: A MARD: https://www.facebook.com/BlueSkiesMag/photos/a.10154179571321922.1073741842.58074541921/10154179571456922/?type=3&theater It seems to be pin-based, but I don't see how the pin gets pulled from the pocket. Cookie: M3 helmet (seems like an entry level open face) Icarus: TX2 tandem canopy SunPath: Aurora wingsuit container (but it was announced before PIA) UPT: "Mutant" harness system. I have no clue what that is, but seems to be some sort of harness for rigid wings (ala Jetman) https://www.facebook.com/BlueSkiesMag/photos/a.10154179571321922.1073741842.58074541921/10154181789141922/?type=3&theater Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammielu 3 #7 February 16, 2017 NZ Aerosports split from their counterpart company and they both use the name Icarus at the moment, it's the new brand Icarus that has a new tandem canopy out. NZ Aerosports designs their canopis using a whole bunch of 3D software and virtual physics testing that is way above my head - but that allows them to set the recovery arc exactly where they want it, for example. This technology was used on the Crossfire 3 and Safire 3, so consider both new, better, and more precise than the 2 series where they wanted to make changes. Cypress Wingsuit model is out. Mars M2 now has a changeable mode with more detailed display. Interesting that their AADS have 5 modes: student, intermediate, professional, tandem, and one I can't remember because it's 630 am (it's either slow for wingsuit or fast for speed). Several companies are using/introducing VR tools for training. Mostly military applications because what dz can afford a harness set up that moves you around and let's you physically practice canopy flight - but we'll see some goggles etc for sport jumper training too (i.e. for EPs). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monosa 0 #8 February 16, 2017 Rigging Innovations MARD: https://vimeo.com/204347139 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerolim 7 #9 February 16, 2017 There are a lot of videos here https://vimeo.com/skydivetv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #10 February 16, 2017 Some photos here: http://www.dropzone.com/news/Gear/What_s_New_-_The_Latest_Gear_at_PIA_2017_1280.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #11 February 16, 2017 Very interesting. It is seem like a cleaner version of RAX. The funny bit is that in a cutaway it seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself. I guess great care was put in making the pocket stiff and hardened enough. No mention of collins lanyard, and considering that the system can be retrofitted to old containers I guess that is not in their plans. Which is a pity. It looks to me like the best MARD setups out there are the ones from SIFE and SWS. Both pin-based, but with collins lanyard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monosa 0 #12 February 16, 2017 DeimianNo mention of collins lanyard, and considering that the system can be retrofitted to old containers I guess that is not in their plans. Which is a pity. I thought the same as I watched the video. It would be easy to produce two versions ... but I think they have to pay a fee to UPT (patent protection), maybe this is their problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #13 February 16, 2017 DeimianIt seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself.The load is applied to the piece of doubled 1000-pound spectra that runs across the mouth of the pin sleeve and is bartacked to the bridle. QuoteNo mention of collins lanyard. Collins lanyards are a response to the possibility of a premature opening of the reserve if the RSL-side main riser breaks/releases while the non-RSL-side main riser stays attached. The possibility exists for all RSL-equipped rigs, regardless of MARD installation. So how many such malfunctions have occurred recently? The number is not zero, of course, but it should be compared to the number of Collins lanyard-related malfunctions, which is also not zero. It's a matter of which risk you think is greater. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #14 February 16, 2017 mark***It seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself.The load is applied to the piece of doubled 1000-pound spectra that runs across the mouth of the pin sleeve and is bartacked to the bridle. Thanks for that, very informative. markQuoteNo mention of collins lanyard. Collins lanyards are a response to the possibility of a premature opening of the reserve if the RSL-side main riser breaks/releases while the non-RSL-side main riser stays attached. The possibility exists for all RSL-equipped rigs, regardless of MARD installation. So how many such malfunctions have occurred recently? The number is not zero, of course, but it should be compared to the number of Collins lanyard-related malfunctions, which is also not zero. It's a matter of which risk you think is greater. Mark That's a good point. But I have no numbers to make an informed analysis of pros vs cons. Besides, and to be honest, I've never heard of a collins lanyard malfunctioning. What are the new malfunction scenarios that the collins lanyard brings? Do you have any numbers to compare pros and cons? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiverFly 0 #15 February 18, 2017 New low bulk wingsuit canopy from Performance Designs. "Horizon" Any other newly announced sport canopies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #16 February 18, 2017 markCollins lanyards are a response to the possibility of a premature opening of the reserve if the RSL-side main riser breaks/releases while the non-RSL-side main riser stays attached. The possibility exists for all RSL-equipped rigs, regardless of MARD installation. I think such situation is worse with MARD, because the reserve freebag would be pulled right into the main canopy. on the other side, with the RSL, only the reserve PC is activated, and it may go up a slightly different way, and not directly INTO the main canopy. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #17 February 18, 2017 Saw in a video that sunpath have made a javelin with an uptuck main flap instead of their usual downtuck flap.Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #18 February 18, 2017 Photo / Screenshot please. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
degeneration 5 #19 February 18, 2017 skydiverekPhoto / Screenshot please. :-) https://www.facebook.com/TheJumpShopLtd/videos/1234407213342139/ That should be a link to the video I saw. Hopefully it will work. Makes the Jav Odyssey look a bit more like a Wings (based on a very quick glimpse).Sky Switches - Affordable stills camera tongue switches and conversion adaptors, supporting various brands of camera (Canon, Sony, Nikon, Panasonic). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #20 February 18, 2017 MARS changeable mode also includes user adjustable activation altitude. They wouldn't let me take a photo of specs side of data sheet. Not public and unit not out until June. $1099. Oh, and change to ax type blade from circular cutter.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #21 February 19, 2017 degeneration***Photo / Screenshot please. :-) https://www.facebook.com/TheJumpShopLtd/videos/1234407213342139/ That should be a link to the video I saw. Hopefully it will work. Makes the Jav Odyssey look a bit more like a Wings (based on a very quick glimpse). THIS is best of both worlds (up and down): http://sws.aero/en/products/fire/main_container/protector_flap/ . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #22 February 19, 2017 Hi Deimian, Quote It looks to me like the best MARD setups out there are the ones from SIFE and SWS. Both pin-based, but with collins lanyard. They both use the RAX System. Jerry Baumchen PS) I would suggest that people not post until you hear officially about any new MARD system. I talked extensively with the designer of this MARD in RI's rig. It was developed for a military rig due to a contract req'ment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #23 February 19, 2017 JerryBaumchenI would suggest that people not post until you hear officially about any new MARD system. In that case: it's official! Rigging Innovations announces a new MARD! -Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #24 February 19, 2017 Hi Deimian, QuoteIt is seem like a cleaner version of RAX. I just noticed your comment. On first look, it might seem that way. But, from a design & function consideration, it is nothing like the RAX System. Just my $0.02 on this, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #25 February 21, 2017 Deimian The funny bit is that in a cutaway it seems like most of the pressure from the lanyard is applied to the fabric pocket that holds the pin in place, rather than the pin itself. To me, the funny bit is that this has been staring riggers in the face ever since toggle keepers came into existence, and people started setting their brakes above the guide ring and ripping the toggle keepers off Replace the toggle with a pin (some have a pin, even), and allow the "brake line" to pull in more than one direction, thereby providing a means for disconnecting itself, and a new MARD is bornI like it- small, simple and clean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
