likearock 2 #76 January 16, 2006 Quote>Is that what's being done today? I don't know. It's what we should be doing if we're serious about monitoring a country for clandestine nuclear weapons manufacture. I think it would be a lot simpler and more realistic to just get them to agree to "offshore" their uranium enrichment to the Russians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #77 January 16, 2006 QuoteI think it would be a lot simpler and more realistic to just get them to agree to "offshore" their uranium enrichment to the Russians. This has been proposed for months now. So far the Iranians are refusing to accept it under guise of national autonomy when they are probably just stalling for extra time to conduct additional "peaceful research." Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #78 January 16, 2006 >I think it would be a lot simpler and more realistic to just get them to >agree to "offshore" their uranium enrichment to the Russians. That's another good option. But since they are a sovereign country, and are currently being led by a democratically-elected leader - they get to make that decision. Personally I hope they either get their uranium from somewhere else or continue to allow inspectors into their facilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #79 January 16, 2006 Maybe they could get the Yellow Cake from Nigeria..... I hear that a recent customer blew them out... so they have some going spare (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #80 January 17, 2006 Quote QuoteI think it would be a lot simpler and more realistic to just get them to agree to "offshore" their uranium enrichment to the Russians. This has been proposed for months now. So far the Iranians are refusing to accept it under guise of national autonomy when they are probably just stalling for extra time to conduct additional "peaceful research." Right. And they'll probably use the same argument to refuse Bill's proposal of full-time, sleep-in inspectors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #81 January 17, 2006 Even China and Russia are on board w/ the EU and the US on halting Iran's nuclear development and bidding for something like the offshore enrichment. If the "vast majority" of the sovereign world sees a problem with this nutjob and his "peaceful" enrichment programs, then who are we, the idealist citizen, to say they're wrong? Sure there's this dandy notion of sovereignty, but that goes right out the window when other nations feel threatened...and it's obvious more than half the world does, so there's gotta be more to this than just a little misunderstanding. Note: General statement, not replying to anyone specifically. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #82 January 17, 2006 QuoteNow we need people to fear Iran so we claim their leaders are insane Er, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #83 January 17, 2006 QuoteThe US does not need to be involved I agree; Iran is a long way from developing a delivery system that would pose any threat to the U.S., and the oil producing countries are always going to sell their product. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #84 January 17, 2006 QuoteIran is a long way from developing a delivery system that would pose any threat to the U.S. if there is a will and you have the device... there is a way.... How many containers come into US ports everyday that no one searches??? HOw may bulk carriers come into US Ports everyday...... WAY too easy when you have the device. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #85 January 18, 2006 QuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #86 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Please. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,093 #87 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Please. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Really? Bush thinks a record deficit stretching into the future beyond the limit of predictions is "small and short term". That seems pretty deluded to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #88 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Please. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Really? Bush thinks a record deficit stretching into the future beyond the limit of predictions is "small and short term". That seems pretty deluded to me. Like I said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,093 #89 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Please. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Really? Bush thinks a record deficit stretching into the future beyond the limit of predictions is "small and short term". That seems pretty deluded to me. Like I said. Delusional is delusional. Why is believing one incredible thing any worse than believing any other incredible thing? Doesn't Bush also hear voices in his head?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #90 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Please. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Really? Bush thinks a record deficit stretching into the future beyond the limit of predictions is "small and short term". That seems pretty deluded to me. Like I said. Delusional is delusional. Why is believing one incredible thing any worse than believing any other incredible thing? Doesn't Bush also hear voices in his head? And Hillary Clinton thinks the Congress is equivalent to a plantation in the times of slavery. All politicians are somewhat delusional, it comes with the territory. But it's a whole other league to deny the Holocaust. If you don't see that distinction, I feel sorry for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,093 #91 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEr, Bill? I don't think "we" need to make the Iranian prez look insane. He's doing a damned fine job all by himself. I wonder if many Iranians think that? I mean many americans believe Bush is completely sane.... Please. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Really? Bush thinks a record deficit stretching into the future beyond the limit of predictions is "small and short term". That seems pretty deluded to me. Like I said. Delusional is delusional. Why is believing one incredible thing any worse than believing any other incredible thing? Doesn't Bush also hear voices in his head? And Hillary Clinton thinks the Congress is equivalent to a plantation in the times of slavery. All politicians are somewhat delusional, it comes with the territory. But it's a whole other league to deny the Holocaust. If you don't see that distinction, I feel sorry for you. Be my guest.I fail to see the distinction between the insane based solely on the object of their delusions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,049 #92 January 18, 2006 >And Hillary Clinton thinks the Congress is equivalent to a plantation in the times of slavery. An absurd position! (Now, whatever you do, do NOT google "democratic plantation"!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #93 January 18, 2006 QuotePlease. When you compare Bush, however bad, to a guy who thinks the Holocaust was made up, you lose any credibility from the start. Thanks for making my point...pity it's lost on some other people. Oh well...Dekker's a decent guy, so I'll still give him credit, though. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #94 January 18, 2006 Quote>And Hillary Clinton thinks the Congress is equivalent to a plantation in the times of slavery. An absurd position! (Now, whatever you do, do NOT google "democratic plantation"!) Touche. However, it doesn't make Hillary look any better when we find out she's plagiarizing the Republican hacks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #95 January 18, 2006 Quote>And Hillary Clinton thinks the Congress is equivalent to a plantation in the times of slavery. An absurd position! (Now, whatever you do, do NOT google "democratic plantation"!) You see no difference between a Politician making a statement and some guy with a Website? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #96 January 18, 2006 QuoteDelusional is delusional. Why is believing one incredible thing any worse than believing any other incredible thing? 6 million innocent lives verse money...hmmm, yes of course, money is much more important (correction...bitching about Bush is much more important) than millions of innocent lives! Thanks for opening my eyes to the wonderful world of selfishness, thoughtlessness, and greed! Maybe I can fit right in w/ some people on this site! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #97 January 18, 2006 QuoteIran is a long way from developing a delivery system that would pose any threat to the U.S. Quoteif there is a will and you have the device... there is a way.... How many containers come into US ports everyday that no one searches??? HOw may bulk carriers come into US Ports everyday...... WAY too easy when you have the device. You're right, but...I have always thought that a dozen agents could be infected with something horrible (without their knowledge), and then they could be sent hopping around the western world on a whirlwind tour. It would be an incredible task trying to indentify the vectors and implement a quarantine program. It would be a modern day Trojan Horse attack. A nuclear weapons program is tough to hide, very expensive, and requires many skilled people. Their nuclear program is never going to get off the ground because they will experience constant sabotage from within by folks who are bribed with offers of western life and money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,093 #98 January 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteDelusional is delusional. Why is believing one incredible thing any worse than believing any other incredible thing? 6 million innocent lives verse money...hmmm, yes of course, money is much more important (correction...bitching about Bush is much more important) than millions of innocent lives! Thanks for opening my eyes to the wonderful world of selfishness, thoughtlessness, and greed! Maybe I can fit right in w/ some people on this site! Can you point me to any authoritative psychiatric source that indicates that the extent of insanity depends of the particular object of one's delusions?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #99 January 18, 2006 Kallend, you're simply tyring to get around this using semantics. It really doesn't matter what the definition or authoritative psychiatric community thinks on the subject of insanity and delusions. The point is, you compared an economic defecit to being equally as bad as the deaths of 6 million jews (and lets not even count the amount of Russians). Talk all you want, it's just obvious you don't mind comparing an assload of dead jews to piles of money. Good job, and way to be sensitive of others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #100 January 18, 2006 QuoteKallend, you're simply tyring to get around this using semantics. It really doesn't matter what the definition or authoritative psychiatric community thinks on the subject of insanity and delusions. The point is, you compared an economic defecit to being equally as bad as the deaths of 6 million jews (and lets not even count the amount of Russians). Talk all you want, it's just obvious you don't mind comparing an assload of dead jews to piles of money. Good job, and way to be sensitive of others! Actually he didn't. He mearly said that both were delusional. He was not comparing WHAT they are delusional about at all. Imagine there are two mental patients.Mental patient A imagines that the staff removes his skin every night and mental patient B imagines that aliens download the information from his brain weekly. One might say that they are both delusional. But saying so is not a degree of insanity comparison between the flaying of skin and alien brain downloads. Both are delusional, in their own special ways. (please note that I am not getting into a "who is delusional and who is not" arguement -- I am simply pointing out that you are implying a comparison that was never stated from kallend)Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
