Track Guns with GPS?

[yamtx73 0]

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IIRC, congress can't prohibit guns within 1000 feet of schools because it goes beyond congress' ability to regulate commerce. However, I don't think there's anything currently stopping states from doing so. (haven't had a chance to look it up, though)

Congress can't prohibit guns within 1000 feet of a school because of a split decision by the US Supreme Court, had 2 or 3 justices leaned more towards "better gun control" that decision could have gone the other direction.
States have alot more latitude when it comes to guns, I don't believe any currently have laws regarding this but anything is possible tomorrow.

The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers...

[JohnRich 4]

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there will come a day when the idea will be practical and useful from a technical viewpoint, and I will then support it

When that day comes, the government will also want to implant GPS chips under everyone's skin at birth, so that each individual can be tracked in their comings and goings. It would be great for finding lost children, and tracking criminals on probation.

Are you in favor of that too?

[JohnRich 4]

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should the government ever decide to repeal the second ammendment it would also make it easier for them to find and confiscate them.

I'll just be removing the GPS chips from my guns, and planting them on some stranger's property, unbeknownest to him.

[kallend 2,027]

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should the government ever decide to repeal the second ammendment it would also make it easier for them to find and confiscate them.

I'll just be removing the GPS chips from my guns, and planting them on some stranger's property, unbeknownest to him.

Then you will no longer be a "law abiding gun owner".

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[craddock 0]

Boy you are bright this morning. If the goverment would repeal the second amendment and make firearms illegal, then yes it would be illegal since there would be no such thing as a "law abiding gun owner"

Wow.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[MLKSKY 0]

Gun control and this retarded idea about tracking our guns only applies to good law abiding citizens--who do you think will actually obey a new law ordering a GPS device to be put on the weapon??? A criminal who traffics guns? No, I say, the gov't just wants to know what we have and where we have it. Take a moment and ask yourself why. Thanks. Now I'll get off my soap box.

[Scoop 0]

If you dont use them for anything dodgy. Whats the problem?

[billvon 2,991]

>the government will also want to implant GPS chips under everyone's skin . . .

>Are you in favor of that too?

Sit down, John, because this is going to come as a shock - but guns aren't people. They are not even remotely similar. It's like one of those "oh, so you'd be OK with the stripper just sticking his penis in women's mouths?" arguments.

[mnealtx 0]

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If you dont use them for anything dodgy. Whats the problem?

Because in several cities/states, law abiding gun owners were told "this is for registration only". Several years later, there's a knock on the door... "we're here for the guns".

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[mnealtx 0]

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>the government will also want to implant GPS chips under everyone's skin . . .

>Are you in favor of that too?

Sit down, John, because this is going to come as a shock - but guns aren't people. They are not even remotely similar. It's like one of those "oh, so you'd be OK with the stripper just sticking his penis in women's mouths?" arguments.

No, they're not similar at all (obviously), but there's already lots of people pushing for just that.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[craddock 0]

How did I know you would not answer the question.
No shit guns are not people but as I tend to travel with at least a shotgun in my truck during the fall at most times, it will be me being tracked wherever I go. The chip could just as well be planted in my DL.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[justinb138 0]

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should the government ever decide to repeal the second ammendment it would also make it easier for them to find and confiscate them.

I'll just be removing the GPS chips from my guns, and planting them on some stranger's property, unbeknownest to him.

Then you will no longer be a "law abiding gun owner".

Which is exactly why the law is useless.

[MLKSKY 0]

If I am doing nothing "dodgy" with my weapon, then why does the gov't need to know where my weapon is at all times? I just don't like the gov't monitoring me. And who's to say that information won't leak out to the criminals--wow, I bet someone trying to break into my home would LOVE to know if I am armed or not.

[billvon 2,991]

>How did I know you would not answer the question.

I did; you may have missed it. To state it more simply:

Guns are things, like cars. They have no rights. It doesn't much matter to me what gets put in them provided their functionality isn't impaired by it.

People have rights, and thus what gets put into them is VERY carefully protected by law. So I WOULD have a problem putting chips into people.

>No shit guns are not people . . . .

Cool! We're getting somewhere!

>but as I tend to travel with at least a shotgun in my truck during
>the fall at most times, it will be me being tracked wherever I go.

Do you have a cellphone? If so, the government has a means to not only determine your exact whereabouts at any time, but they can listen to everything you say - even when the phone is not in a call. Does that bother you less?

[JohnRich 4]

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I'll just be removing the GPS chips from my guns, and planting them on some stranger's property, unbeknownest to him.

Then you will no longer be a "law abiding gun owner".

[JohnRich 4]

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>the government will also want to implant GPS chips under everyone's skin . . . Are you in favor of that too?

Sit down, John, because this is going to come as a shock - but guns aren't people.

You didn't answer the question - I guess I'll have to put you down for "no". So, you are "no" to chips to track people, but "yes" to chips to track guns. And that's not hypocrisy. Okay...

But wait, if you track the item that the gun owner carries, isn't that the same thing as tracking the person? If you track cars, isn't that the same as tracking drivers? Neither guns nor cars operate by themselves - they require people to activate them.

P.S. And did you notice how I managed to reply without being a smartass?

[justinb138 0]

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I'm thinking I could plant my gun's GPS chips at the homes of all the anti-gun activists and politicians in town. Yeah, that would be a good use for them.

Why not keep the chips with you and visit your local courthouse?

It's not illegal to be there with GPS chips.

[JohnRich 4]

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If you dont use them for anything dodgy. Whats the problem?

Because in several cities/states, law abiding gun owners were told "this is for registration only". Several years later, there's a knock on the door... "we're here for the guns".

And the most recent example was New Orleans, where the top cop had nothing better to do than to send out officers to confiscate legal firearms from honest citizens who needed them for self defense.

[billvon 2,991]

>I guess I'll have to put you down for "no". So, you are "no" to chips
> to track people, but "yes" to chips to track guns. And that's not
> hypocrisy. Okay...

Correct. Are you a hypocrite because you shoot at targets but refuse to shoot at people? People are DIFFERENT than inanimate objects. DIFFERENT laws apply.

>But wait, if you track the item that the gun owner carries, isn't that
>the same thing as tracking the person?

Nope. Most of us are able to put guns down if we choose to.

>If you track cars, isn't that the same as tracking drivers?

Yes, because drivers always drive cars. Right now we can track cellphones. Fortunately you can put your cellphone down if you choose to.

[craddock 0]

As I said earlier my cell phone is not powered usually during the weekends or even on many evenings. Are you ok with making it owner optional to have the GPS turned on in the firearm?

Whats funny is that people got all uptight about the invasion of privacy over Bush's authorized "spying", yet would have no issue with this if it could be properly implemented.

Hypocrite

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[billvon 2,991]

>As I said earlier my cell phone is not powered usually during the
>weekends or even on many evenings.

Yes it is; the display is just dark and it's in a low power mode. It can remain on (and able to track you) without you knowing it.

>Whats funny is that people got all uptight about the invasion
>of privacy over Bush's authorized "spying" . . .

What people are upset about is the violation of the Fourth Amendment. If he had been doing authorized spying (i.e. with a warrant) no one would have made a peep.

And yes, if they ever do put tracking devices in guns, I will be the first to object to using that device to track someone without a warrant.

[justinb138 0]

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And yes, if they ever do put tracking devices in guns, I will be the first to object to using that device to track someone without a warrant.

I'm glad the "requires a warrant" thing has worked so well with the current administration.

[yamtx73 0]

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And yes, if they ever do put tracking devices in guns, I will be the first to object to using that device to track someone without a warrant.

I'm glad the "requires a warrant" thing has worked so well with the current administration.

not only the current administration but many before it as well

The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers...

[craddock 0]

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Yes it is; the display is just dark and it's in a low power mode. It can remain on (and able to track you) without you knowing it.

No Kallend you are not always right. Not in this case.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[Remster 30]

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Yes it is; the display is just dark and it's in a low power mode. It can remain on (and able to track you) without you knowing it.

No Kallend you are not always right. Not in this case.

I'm pretty sure billvon and kallend are 2 different person. You never know, maybe one of them wears a mask, and fills in 2 different slots on a skydive... You never know...




Oh... and good luck with that technical discussion about cell phones with a comms engineer....

Remster