Enrique 0 #1 January 18, 2006 "Calif. Executes Oldest Death Row Inmate AP - Tue Jan 17, 9:00 AM ET SAN QUENTIN, Calif. - California executed its oldest death row inmate early Tuesday, minutes after his 76th birthday, despite arguments that putting to death an elderly, blind and wheelchair-bound man was cruel and unusual punishment. Clarence Ray Allen was pronounced dead at 12:38 a.m. at San Quentin State Prison. He became the second-oldest inmate put to death nationally since the Supreme Court allowed capital punishment to resume in 1976." Isn't this more revenge than anything else? The guy was blind, bound to a wheel-chair, legally blind... and in jail for life!!! Why kill the bastad? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #2 January 18, 2006 Cause he wasn't when he ordered the hit. He wasn't when convicted of murder the first time and was sentenced to life. Friggin appeals need to be cut way back and expedited so this kind of shit doesn't grow old on death row. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 January 18, 2006 Hell, the guy was only about 45 when he went to the can. He was in his 50's when he was convicted for arrainging a hit from prison. He should have been given a dirt nap in 1988, but his execution was stayed. I'll repeat, I support the death penalty in theory. I also believe a moratorium needs to be imposed on it. But this guy was Exhibit "A" on "People who should be wiped off the face of the earth." Just because he was given a 17 year reprieve doesn't mean the punishment shouldn't be carried out. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enrique 0 #4 January 18, 2006 QuoteHell, the guy was only about 45 when he went to the can. He was in his 50's when he was convicted for arrainging a hit from prison. He should have been given a dirt nap in 1988, but his execution was stayed. I'll repeat, I support the death penalty in theory. I also believe a moratorium needs to be imposed on it. But this guy was Exhibit "A" on "People who should be wiped off the face of the earth." Just because he was given a 17 year reprieve doesn't mean the punishment shouldn't be carried out. I understand your point, but is it not a little bit senseless to kill a guy that could barely breathe on his own? That's what I mean when I say that it seems more like vengeance than the enforcement of a Court resolution. I would think that the purpose of the death penalty (in this case) was to stop the criminal from causing more damage to society; which purpose would have been achieved by keeping him in jail until he died on his own. On the other hand, it would be interesting to compare how much an execution costs in California versus having the guy die in his cell. Sick, but it may boil down to a $ issue as well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enrique 0 #5 January 18, 2006 QuoteFriggin appeals need to be cut way back and expedited so this kind of shit doesn't grow old on death row. I totally agree with you. In your Country and mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #6 January 18, 2006 Could have saved a lot of money and spent 10 cents on a bullet, or maybe a buck on a piece of rope. Bullet through his head, swinging from a piece of wood, who cares...but nooo, lets spend $100 just on the drugs alone for lethal injection, that makes sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #7 January 18, 2006 QuoteCause he wasn't when he ordered the hit. He wasn't when convicted of murder the first time and was sentenced to life. Friggin appeals need to be cut way back and expedited so this kind of shit doesn't grow old on death row. EX-FUCKIN'-ACTLY! And it makes me wonder; what if a guy who was wheelchair-bound, elderly and blind murdered someone while in that state? Would it be cruel andunusual punishment to execute him? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #8 January 18, 2006 QuoteCould have saved a lot of money and spent 10 cents on a bullet, or maybe a buck on a piece of rope. Bullet through his head, swinging from a piece of wood, who cares...but nooo, lets spend $100 just on the drugs alone for lethal injection, that makes sense. Or, as Chris Rock says, "Stabbin' don't cost a damn thing! ...Get a nice 'Stabbin' Chair'... 'Sitcher ass down!!'..." --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #9 January 18, 2006 Quote"Calif. Executes Oldest Death Row Inmate AP - Tue Jan 17, 9:00 AM ET SAN QUENTIN, Calif. - California executed its oldest death row inmate early Tuesday, minutes after his 76th birthday... Good riddance to bad rubbish.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #10 January 18, 2006 haha...awesome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 January 18, 2006 Quote I understand your point, but is it not a little bit senseless to kill a guy that could barely breathe on his own? That's what I mean when I say that it seems more like vengeance than the enforcement of a Court resolution. Would it have been less an act of vengeance to kill him 15 years ago instead? I don't think his old age makes this any more of an issue. If anything, he was given many more years of life, albeit in prison. In this particular case, it comes down to whether or not one believes the death penalty is an acceptable action. His age is irrelevent to that. And given that he orchestrated more killings behind bars, little credence to that notion we keep hearing (and disproving, btw) that those in prison can't hurt society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #12 January 18, 2006 QuoteAnd given that he orchestrated more killings behind bars, little credence to that notion we keep hearing (and disproving, btw) that those in prison can't hurt society. Billvon has introduced the idea that we can protect society from people in prison...by doing things that we don't DO. (So they're moot.) Like, for instance, keeping everyone in prison in solitary confinement. Yeah, that would possibly keep them from being able to exert influence outside prison, like ordering murders. But we aren't equipped to do that, and won't be anytime soon. It does no good to suggest that pie-in-the-sky prison practices would prevent inmates from continuing crimes from behind bars. Ideas that won't be implemented are useless. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #13 January 18, 2006 Quote I understand your point, but is it not a little bit senseless to kill a guy that could barely breathe on his own? Apparently, this inmate was a bit more healthy than he let on. Death row elder needed 2 injections Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #14 January 18, 2006 this is piece from the article a bit twisted though ... Quote Allen had asked prison authorities to let him die if he went into cardiac arrest before his execution, a request prison officials said they would not honor. "At no point are we not going to value the sanctity of life," said prison spokesman Vernell Crittendon. "We would resuscitate him," then execute him . Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enrique 0 #15 January 18, 2006 Quote this is piece from the article a bit twisted though ... Quote Allen had asked prison authorities to let him die if he went into cardiac arrest before his execution, a request prison officials said they would not honor. "At no point are we not going to value the sanctity of life," said prison spokesman Vernell Crittendon. "We would resuscitate him," then execute him . That's exactly what I mean when I say that it seems like the system is seeking vengeance, more than anything else. It's like shooting someone that wants to commit suicide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Enrique 0 #16 January 18, 2006 QuoteI don't think his old age makes this any more of an issue. Maybe not his age, but his physical condition and the time he had already spent (and would have spent) in prison. I am in no way suggesting that the guy should have been set free, I am just saying that his execution may have come a little bit too late to make sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #17 January 18, 2006 What exactly do you want them to do if he goes into cardiac arrest? He's dead man walking. Only thing is, he should have stopped walking twenty years ago. Age and health are irrelevant.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MuffDiver 0 #18 January 18, 2006 Don't discriminate against the blind, deaf or the handicapped. Fry him like any other inmate on death row __________________________________________________ Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #19 January 18, 2006 QuoteDon't discriminate against the blind, deaf or the handicapped. Fry him like any other inmate on death row I agree. He was an asshole just like anybody else on deathrow. Say byebye... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Enrique 0 #16 January 18, 2006 QuoteI don't think his old age makes this any more of an issue. Maybe not his age, but his physical condition and the time he had already spent (and would have spent) in prison. I am in no way suggesting that the guy should have been set free, I am just saying that his execution may have come a little bit too late to make sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #17 January 18, 2006 What exactly do you want them to do if he goes into cardiac arrest? He's dead man walking. Only thing is, he should have stopped walking twenty years ago. Age and health are irrelevant.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MuffDiver 0 #18 January 18, 2006 Don't discriminate against the blind, deaf or the handicapped. Fry him like any other inmate on death row __________________________________________________ Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #19 January 18, 2006 QuoteDon't discriminate against the blind, deaf or the handicapped. Fry him like any other inmate on death row I agree. He was an asshole just like anybody else on deathrow. Say byebye... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
