crozby 0 #51 January 25, 2006 QuoteSo you're against Big Brother in one sense... and for Big Brother in another sense. Yes, Jeffrey, that is correct. I am for the use of CCTV on trains and buses because, contrary to what you say, their presence not only deters crime but is useful evidence when crime does occur. (Recall how the London bombers were identified and traced using the CCTV cameras dotted around the city.) I am against the collection of genetic information because it can too easily be abused or fall into the wrong hands. Why do you find the juxtaposition of those two opinions so crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #52 January 25, 2006 QuoteCCTV.. well, I think your trying to build some sort of argument of a big brother state when their isnt really anything to worry about. THe DNA maybe, but the other things. Get a life. If you dont like it, no doubt its coming your way soon too. I suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser According to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state??----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #53 January 25, 2006 Scoop I realize all these contraptions make your job a hell of a lot easier. My idea of freedom however includes not having the state track my every movement. If that makes your job harder, so be it. The Indians make my job harder, but you don't see us nuking them. It has been proven, time after time, that the government (or various lackeys at low levels) do have an interest in individuals "subjects". Historically, states have a record of treating subjects rather poorly. Add to that that information wants to be free. If you store it, people are going to use it. Some of those people weren't originally intended to use it or may be using it illegally, but they're using it nevertheless. I may have to arm myself to the teeth and flee to the hills with likeminded people. We'll see. The publics general acceptance of surveillance in every aspect of life is, to me, appalling. So far it's a democracy, so I vote. When that option is exhausted, perhaps me and Jeff will go plonk some cans in the Montana mountains. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #54 January 25, 2006 Quote According to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? No because someone doesnt sit with a clipboard monitoring whos going where. They are only used to help public safety and for evidential purposes as stated. We get lots of calls from CCTV operators asking our attendance somewhere. Usually its because it looks as though a fight is about to occur or because the guy they are monitoring has just stolen something or assaulted someone. I dont know if youve ever been into a CCTV office, our town has an underground bunker with walls of screens. It is the most boring place you've ever been. They couldnt give a shit if your wearing the same shirt you wore yesterday or that the woman your with isn't your wife.They dont notice things like that. They are very good, however, at spotting the guy whos acting suspiciously around your car or identifying who that unknown offender was who headbutted you for no reason. If I had a choice, I'd rather live in a town with CCTV than one without Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #55 January 25, 2006 QuoteYou haven't listened to FOX lately, have you? Many conservatives are indeed supporting the loss of individual liberties, primarily because they want to be seen as supporting Bush and being 'tough on terra.' It's going to be quite humorous in the future when a Democrat is elected President once again, and he has to consider revoking all of these things that the Dems now complain so loudly about. They'll either have to hamstring their own war on terrorism, or be hypocrites for continuing the policies which they formerly criticized. The Dems are painting themselves into a corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #56 January 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou haven't listened to FOX lately, have you? Many conservatives are indeed supporting the loss of individual liberties, primarily because they want to be seen as supporting Bush and being 'tough on terra.' It's going to be quite humorous in the future when a Democrat is elected President once again, and he has to consider revoking all of these things that the Dems now complain so loudly about. They'll either have to hamstring their own war on terrorism, or be hypocrites for continuing the policies which they formerly criticized. The Dems are painting themselves into a corner. Good.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #57 January 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteCCTV.. well, I think your trying to build some sort of argument of a big brother state when their isnt really anything to worry about. THe DNA maybe, but the other things. Get a life. If you dont like it, no doubt its coming your way soon too. I suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser According to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland. And, I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes......Click link below for the red pill [URL]http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/[/URL] Click on Echelon. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #58 January 26, 2006 QuoteQuote According to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? No because someone doesnt sit with a clipboard monitoring whos going where. "Within Europe all email telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency transferring all target information from the European mainland via the strategic hub of London then by satellite to Fort Meade in Maryland via the crucial hub at Menwith Hill". [URL]http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/prechelon_en.pdf[/URL]When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #59 January 26, 2006 QuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dolph 0 #60 January 26, 2006 Got any good guns Jeff? I'll buy the ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,070 #61 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? - It is very disturbing that I find myself in agreement with you more often this year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #62 January 27, 2006 QuoteAccording to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? Not to those who have been successfully indoctrinated. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #63 January 27, 2006 QuoteI dont know if youve ever been into a CCTV office, our town has an underground bunker with walls of screens. It is the most boring place you've ever been. They couldnt give a shit if your wearing the same shirt you wore yesterday or that the woman your with isn't your wife. They dont notice things like that. They are very good, however, at spotting the guy whos acting suspiciously around your car or identifying who that unknown offender was who headbutted you for no reason. So somehow, you assert, they are great at noticing things that demand strict attention to pick out, but they won't be scrutinizing my behavior? That's a bit paradoxical. QuoteIf I had a choice, I'd rather live in a town with CCTV than one without Keep cheering it. Soon you won't have to sleep in a bedroom without it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #64 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? - It is very disturbing that I find myself in agreement with you more often this year. Just go with it. It'll feel quite pleasant before long. I'm just surprised as hell that you agreed with what I just said! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #65 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? - It is very disturbing that I find myself in agreement with you more often this year. Just go with it. It'll feel quite pleasant before long. - I bet you say that to all the boys When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #66 January 27, 2006 Is that, like, a gay allusion? Don't waste your time. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... 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JohnRich 4 #55 January 25, 2006 QuoteYou haven't listened to FOX lately, have you? Many conservatives are indeed supporting the loss of individual liberties, primarily because they want to be seen as supporting Bush and being 'tough on terra.' It's going to be quite humorous in the future when a Democrat is elected President once again, and he has to consider revoking all of these things that the Dems now complain so loudly about. They'll either have to hamstring their own war on terrorism, or be hypocrites for continuing the policies which they formerly criticized. The Dems are painting themselves into a corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #56 January 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou haven't listened to FOX lately, have you? Many conservatives are indeed supporting the loss of individual liberties, primarily because they want to be seen as supporting Bush and being 'tough on terra.' It's going to be quite humorous in the future when a Democrat is elected President once again, and he has to consider revoking all of these things that the Dems now complain so loudly about. They'll either have to hamstring their own war on terrorism, or be hypocrites for continuing the policies which they formerly criticized. The Dems are painting themselves into a corner. Good.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #57 January 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteCCTV.. well, I think your trying to build some sort of argument of a big brother state when their isnt really anything to worry about. THe DNA maybe, but the other things. Get a life. If you dont like it, no doubt its coming your way soon too. I suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser According to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland. And, I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes......Click link below for the red pill [URL]http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/[/URL] Click on Echelon. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #58 January 26, 2006 QuoteQuote According to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? No because someone doesnt sit with a clipboard monitoring whos going where. "Within Europe all email telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency transferring all target information from the European mainland via the strategic hub of London then by satellite to Fort Meade in Maryland via the crucial hub at Menwith Hill". [URL]http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/prechelon_en.pdf[/URL]When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #59 January 26, 2006 QuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #60 January 26, 2006 Got any good guns Jeff? I'll buy the ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,070 #61 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? - It is very disturbing that I find myself in agreement with you more often this year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #62 January 27, 2006 QuoteAccording to an article in USA Today, Britain has 2.5 million cameras watching it's citizens, with more proposed. This doesn't smell just a little bit like a big brother state?? Not to those who have been successfully indoctrinated. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #63 January 27, 2006 QuoteI dont know if youve ever been into a CCTV office, our town has an underground bunker with walls of screens. It is the most boring place you've ever been. They couldnt give a shit if your wearing the same shirt you wore yesterday or that the woman your with isn't your wife. They dont notice things like that. They are very good, however, at spotting the guy whos acting suspiciously around your car or identifying who that unknown offender was who headbutted you for no reason. So somehow, you assert, they are great at noticing things that demand strict attention to pick out, but they won't be scrutinizing my behavior? That's a bit paradoxical. QuoteIf I had a choice, I'd rather live in a town with CCTV than one without Keep cheering it. Soon you won't have to sleep in a bedroom without it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #64 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? - It is very disturbing that I find myself in agreement with you more often this year. Just go with it. It'll feel quite pleasant before long. I'm just surprised as hell that you agreed with what I just said! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #65 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI suggest you drag your ass up to the mountains, arm yourself to the teeth, put a tin foil hat on and live life as a reclusive paranoid loser Hahahahaha! Nice. You seem to feel that it's better to live in a state of being under the total control and scrutiny of the government at all times -- you know, for your safety. Which is the attitude of the loser? - It is very disturbing that I find myself in agreement with you more often this year. Just go with it. It'll feel quite pleasant before long. - I bet you say that to all the boys When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #66 January 27, 2006 Is that, like, a gay allusion? Don't waste your time. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
