New Rifle ....I want one!!!!

[JohnRich 4]

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It basically blows your shoulder out of it's socket every time you shoot it

Wrong.

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and if you were to shoot an animal with that cannon it would probably blow the damn thing up.

They are mainly used for target shooting. And I've heard of them being used for elk, but elk are huge. You could say the same thing about .308 if you were hunting rabbits. So it depends upon the type of animal being hunted.

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Are you rooting for the terrorists?

The funniest bit here is, you're serious. Yes, i'm rooting for the terroists sheeeeesh.

Are you suggesting that this weapon will only be used against a 'terrorist'? If you could, please define a 'terrorist'. How can you spot one? Do they wear T-shirts?

It seems like you're using the term to group together anyone who could ever be involved, through a choice of their own or not, into conflict with the united states.

My comment was simply to justify the notion that maybe, just maybe, the person on the receiving end of this new weapon was no threat to American life.

Just because you kil someone, it doesn't always mean another life is saved.

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[JohnRich 4]

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My comment was simply to justify the notion that maybe, just maybe, the person on the receiving end of this new weapon was no threat to American life.

So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot?

If someone is shooting at the U.S. soldiers, is that sufficient justification for you to allow them to shoot back?

Maybe, just maybe, those running around hiding in the mountains with great quantities of weapons are a threat to American life. Why else would they be doing that?

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My comment was simply to justify the notion that maybe, just maybe, the person on the receiving end of this new weapon was no threat to American life.

So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot?

funniest post ever!

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The largest legal modern firearm caliber for civilians is .50. 25mm is about twice that diameter, and is therefore illegal for civilians to own. Darn it.

damn i really wanted one too. everyone knows civilians need a 25 mm gun for deer hunting and home protection

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will penetrate at least 50 millimeters of armor plating, making it capable of destroying light armored vehicles, SCUD launchers, and other equipment. According to the ammunition manufacturer, the 25mm round is 2.5 times more effective at destroying targets than a .50 caliber armor-piercing round. BTW who said it was a good idea to be in the area when the US Military is on operations?...shit, I believe that when given the opportunity our enemies will claim innocence.

No that's not MY RPG I washolding it for a guy while he went get his bomb vest dry cleaned!.....yeah yeah BANG!!!

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So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot?

funniest post ever!

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So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot?

We both know mistakes have been made by all sides in conflict. There are undoubtably civilian casualties in any battle situation.

I dont know much about weapons, and you clearly do so please do correct me if i'm wrong, but, as is my understanding, this weapon is not just a long range sniper rifle. It's designed to cause slightly more widespread damage, especially at a closer range. Can the person using the weapon, with complete certainty, know that by discharging it, no one but the target is affected? Furthermore, can the person discharging the weapon know beyond all doubt, that the target is an absolute and real threat to human life? Please dont get me wrong, i am by no means suggesting that this happens regularly, i'm just asking you to open your mind a bit.

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If someone is shooting at the U.S. soldiers, is that sufficient justification for you to allow them to shoot back?

Of course it is. I never said it wasn't.

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Maybe, just maybe, those running around hiding in the mountains with great quantities of weapons are a threat to American life. Why else would they be doing that?

Are you telling me that this weapon will only be used in one place, against one target? Do you know for absolute certainty that 'those running around hiding in the mountains' actually have a great quantity of weapons, or is that just what you've heard on the news?

Please, please dont get me wrong, ANYONE who presents a threat to ANY human life, should of course be brought to justice. I'm just asking that people see both sides of an argument before making judgement.

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I'm no ballistics or weapons expert, but I doubt the round will dislocate a shoulder...it weighs 33.3 lbs and has a bipod. While the slug is large, there is a lot of mass for it to move before it gets to begin rearranging your skeleton, even if you are not using the bipod.

Slick rifle, tho.

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..and more British soldiers killed. The IRA rather effectively used a couple of Barretts for many years in Northern Ireland.

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It's the long range and accuracy that makes the .50 cal so effective.

When I was younger, a friend of mine showed me a pic of a bus that he stopped with a .50.

They needed to stop it in a spot without a good defense position, so they hit it as it crossed a bridge. Everyone in side used their better judgement and quietly raised their hands.

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Are you telling me that this weapon will only be used in one place, against one target? Do you know for absolute certainty that 'those running around hiding in the mountains' actually have a great quantity of weapons, or is that just what you've heard on the news?

When has the news ever been right? We go off intell from out S-2. And it is VERY accurate.

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Can the person using the weapon, with complete certainty, know that by discharging it, no one but the target is affected? Furthermore, can the person discharging the weapon know beyond all doubt, that the target is an absolute and real threat to human life? Please dont get me wrong, i am by no means suggesting that this happens regularly, i'm just asking you to open your mind a bit.

I dont know about you, but if I am in a situation where it even seems like it is either him or me, I am going to waste him before he can get to me.

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If you could, please define a 'terrorist'. How can you spot one? Do they wear T-shirts?

That is the hardest part of this war. That we dont really know who is a civilian and who isnt until they pull the rifle out of their man-jamas and start shooting.

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Just because you kill someone, it doesn't always mean another life is saved

That may be true, but I know I am not willing to gamble my life on it. Say you dont kill him... now he has the chance to kill you. Which would you prefer? To risk a mistake and go home, or be sent home in a box because you guessed wrong?

Its really easy to pick apart a mistake that we have made, when you arnt the one who has to make that decision.

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Sign me up!

I wonder if Dillon makes any dies for it yet

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My comment was simply to justify the notion that maybe, just maybe, the person on the receiving end of this new weapon was no threat to American life.

So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot?

that's some funny shit right there

oh and the answer to that question would be NO

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Maybe, just maybe, those running around hiding in the mountains with great quantities of weapons are a threat to American life. Why else would they be doing that?

Maybe just maybe they are not a threat to the good Ole USofA maybe just maybe some are hiding because they too don't trust the USA to properly ID their "enemy"
One eyed narrow mindedness does not equate to being right and just

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[riddler 0]

Don't want to sound harsh here, but, um:

guns -> speaker's corner?

Nothing wrong with your post about something you think is cool, but it is gonna offend some people.

Heck, I even take my strong opinions about food to speaker's corner

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[AggieDave 6]

Geez, this thread went down hill. Atleast it was cool to joke and look at a neat rifle.

And this:

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Heck, I even take my strong opinions about food to speaker's corner

Is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.

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Geez, this thread went down hill. Atleast it was cool to joke and look at a neat rifle.

From a civilian perspective, I don't think that some people like to just blow stuff up. Oh well.

My ex bro-in-law sold a variety of stuff. We used to go out to the Everglades. Lots of old trees and all kinds of junk.

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And this:

Heck, I even take my strong opinions about food to speaker's corner

Is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.

Heh. Fresh-Squeezed Orange juice

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[Deuce 1]

John, in California, they recently made the .50 rifle illegal. I don't know if they specified ".50 and larger". I suspect this new rifle will be legal here.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If it comes to that, I'll use a lever .45-70 to take a "black" gun if I need one.

Or just be nice enough to get close.

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So I wonder if this gun might beat the long distance record currently held by the McMillan 50 cal?

"The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957

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I don't see a bayonet lug

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in reply to "That may be true, but I know I am not willing to gamble my life on it. Say you dont kill him... now he has the chance to kill you. Which would you prefer? To risk a mistake and go home, or be sent home in a box because you guessed wrong? "
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Howdah
This reminds me of maharaja's talking about shooting tigers with their howdahs from a'top o' elephants.
They protect them tigers now cause they're threatend with extinction.

The boomer looks up to the job though

Sounds like those fiesty naughty OS tigers really got you guessing . Is it a civilian? is it a soldier ?what the phook....... boom.

Stay safe .....(and human)

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this is Bonfire not SPEAKERS CORNER!!!

[JohnRich 4]

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Can the person using the weapon, with complete certainty, know that by discharging it, no one but the target is affected? Furthermore, can the person discharging the weapon know beyond all doubt, that the target is an absolute and real threat to human life?

If that is your criteria for allowing a soldier to shoot his weapon in war, then the soldiers are all doomed. There are no perfect guarantees in anything, especially war. You might as well call for us to surrender now.

Oh, and the cops can all resign too - let the criminals take over.

So, once we've banished the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, because war isn't perfect, what then? When Al Queda or the Russkies move in to take over, are you gonna trust them to be perfect for America?

[JohnRich 4]

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I'm no ballistics or weapons expert, but I doubt the round will dislocate a shoulder...it weighs 33.3 lbs and has a bipod. While the slug is large, there is a lot of mass for it to move before it gets to begin rearranging your skeleton.

Ding ding ding! Correct.

Some people presume that just because a cartridge is large, that it will automatically have a horrible recoil. Not necessarily so, as you point out. The weight of the firearm itself helps absorb recoil. So in a case like this one, with a large cartridge in conjuction with a heavy rifle, the recoil shouldn't be that bad.

Don't try and shoot it in a handgun though.