peacefuljeffrey 0 #1 January 28, 2006 This appeared in a local paper: Lobby wants more guns in crime-plagued nation CAPE TOWN -- South African gun lobbyists set up a new organization Thursday to press the case that even more weapons are needed to curb crime in a country notorious for murders and armed robberies. [How's that "even more" for an editorial slant and a dig at the subjects of the article? ] The new group, Gun Owners of South Africa, said people had the right to self-defense in a nation that has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. "We want the Firearms Control Act scrapped altogether, and we want a constitutional amendment to ensure we have the right to have firearms to protect our families," group leader Charl van Wyk said. - More power to ya, Mr. Wyk. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #3 January 28, 2006 QuoteQUACK Look! A duck! SHOOT IT!!!! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #4 January 28, 2006 God no dont do that.. no self inflicted wounds allowed Quack Quack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bdog 0 #5 January 28, 2006 A constitutioal allowance to protect your right to safety. it will never work!!! we used to have that in this country but look at our track record. I hope you have better luck with the idea of "an armed society is a poilte society"._________________________________________ ---Future Darwin Award recipient- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #6 January 28, 2006 Not sure I understand to what you are referring... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 January 28, 2006 Well this thread has gone down like a lead balloon. Lets talk about ducks, I like duck. Especialy when they are crispy and in a pancake, Yum! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 January 28, 2006 BOOM!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #9 January 28, 2006 Ducks are alright, but I prefer baby rabbits.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 January 28, 2006 QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #11 January 28, 2006 Quote"...have firearms to protect our families," group leader Charl van Wyk... The Dutch have a simple explanation for being such a laid back & relaxed nation... Back in the 1800's they exported all their psychos out to South Africa! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #12 January 29, 2006 RATATATATATA.....RATATAT.....RATATATA.....Gotcha!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 36 #13 January 30, 2006 As with most such articles, there are a several issues around this. It is a fact that all firearm licences in the country are currently being recalled and gun owners now need to re-apply for the same licences they had before. So far a large number of these re-applications have been refused without explanation, even those who have been responsible gun owners for many years. As is the case in many countries, the vast majority of firearms used in a crime are illegal and/or unlicenced firearms. The current government drive to recall and refuse legal licences to responsible people is therefore a cause of concern for many. There are many that believe that the criminal justice system in South Africa is not as effective as it has been in years past; possibly due to budget constraints, corruption, incompetence or a number of other alleged reasons. Criminals have therefore become more bold and aggressive in their activities. Hence legal gun owners are fewer, illegal owners are increasing. It's especialy bizarre since those who criticise police effectiveness are told to be more proactive in policing their own communities. For those who enjoy a conspiracy theory; it has even been suggested by some that the government intends to slowly disarm it's citizens to a level where an armed uprising or armed resistance would be impossible if the country were to degenerate into a Zimbabwe situation where 'white' properties are simply taken and re-allocated and/or minority rights ceased to exist (since caucasians are the minority here). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #14 January 30, 2006 So you seem to be saying that once again, the world may see a type of genocide enabled by the disarming of the would-be victims of that genocide. Nice. And still the lying gun-prohibitionists tell us that gun bans are for our safety. After all that history has shown us, they still give us that bullshit line. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #15 January 30, 2006 QuoteSo you seem to be saying that once again, the world may see a type of genocide enabled by the disarming of the would-be victims of that genocide. Quote Not even the most ardent consipracy theorist would arrive at that ridiculous conclusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #16 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo you seem to be saying that once again, the world may see a type of genocide enabled by the disarming of the would-be victims of that genocide. Not even the most ardent consipracy theorist would arrive at that ridiculous conclusion. Do a google search using the words "gun control genocide" and see what you get. Examples: Death by "Gun Control" Gun Control -- The KEY to GENOCIDE! Disarming the citizens is a prerequisite to tyranny and genocide. Here's a quote from one of those crazy conspiracy theorists you call "ridiculous":"One of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms - just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safe-guard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proven to be always possible." - Senator Hubert Humphrey, 1960It doesn't happen overnight, but it allows a certain path to be undertaken by overzealous leaders, which cannot be turned back without the force of arms. History has proven this out far too many times, and it continues to this day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 80 #17 January 31, 2006 QuoteHistory has proven this out far too many times... You no doubt have several examples of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 January 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteHistory has proven this out far too many times... You no doubt have several examples of this? Of course he does. Didn't take me long to remember that the Nazis disarmed the Jews, before they slaughtered 6 million of them... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Erroll 80 #19 January 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHistory has proven this out far too many times... You no doubt have several examples of this? Of course he does. Didn't take me long to remember that the Nazis disarmed the Jews, before they slaughtered 6 million of them... - Note John's use of the words "far too many times". Also note my use of the word "several". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #20 January 31, 2006 I was making a point (one obviously lost on YOU) that if I could, right off the cuff, come up with ONE, surely John has a comprehensive list of more. John, here's your cue. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #21 January 31, 2006 A quick search just as John suggested ("gun control genocide") yielded this: QuoteIn our own era, "gun control" promoted the Nazi genocide against 6,000,000 Jews and 7,000,000 Gentiles, in which 1.5 million Jewish children were murdered. The Nazis inherited a "gun control" law -- complete with detailed registration lists -- from the centrist Weimar Republic, which enacted "gun control" to curb political violence. Those registration lists enabled the Nazis -- who gained power through the ballot box -- quickly to disarm their opponents, to gain an iron grip on Germany, and to make sure that no one could challenge them. "Gun control" promoted at least seven other major 20th Century genocides, including those in Rwanda, Cambodia, and the ex-Soviet Union. In just 103 days, 800,000 Rwandans were murdered in 1994, including several hundred thousand thanks to "gun control" (laws of 23 November 1964 and 1 May 1979). In these eight major genocides, a total of 57 million children, women, and men were murdered by officials of governments "gone bad," thanks to "gun control." Rabbi Yoffie's advocacy of "gun control" -- a euphemism for the step-by-step total disarming of civilians -- directly promotes genocide. That is disgraceful for any person, and especially so for a Jew. In other words, if a genocide occurred in a country which, prior to the genocide, had strict prohibitions or controls on gun ownership, it is quite reasonable to correlate the ease with which government forces rounded up and massacred unarmed people with the fact that they were unarmed and unable to mount any significant resistance against their murderers. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #22 January 31, 2006 Fight crime - Shoot back. I'm serious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #23 January 31, 2006 QuoteA quick search just as John suggested ("gun control genocide") yielded this: Don't forget the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. First they rounded up all the private firearms, then the killing really started. Stalinist Russia was another good example of excessive gun control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peacefuljeffrey 0 #24 January 31, 2006 I thought Stalinist Russia was a good example of food control. Food control was easy once they had gun control... And it saved the government bullets. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites miked10270 0 #25 January 31, 2006 With that logic, would you say that willingness to accept gun control reflects confidence in the state? In effect, if you have confidence in your government, legal system, etc... THEN you're willing to accept gun control. OTOH... If you're worried about how your government is going to behave, if you mistrust your government & legal system, then you want to arm yourselves. Mike. PS: Britain is a lousy example since guns have been successfully demonised here. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. 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JohnRich 4 #16 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo you seem to be saying that once again, the world may see a type of genocide enabled by the disarming of the would-be victims of that genocide. Not even the most ardent consipracy theorist would arrive at that ridiculous conclusion. Do a google search using the words "gun control genocide" and see what you get. Examples: Death by "Gun Control" Gun Control -- The KEY to GENOCIDE! Disarming the citizens is a prerequisite to tyranny and genocide. Here's a quote from one of those crazy conspiracy theorists you call "ridiculous":"One of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms - just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safe-guard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proven to be always possible." - Senator Hubert Humphrey, 1960It doesn't happen overnight, but it allows a certain path to be undertaken by overzealous leaders, which cannot be turned back without the force of arms. History has proven this out far too many times, and it continues to this day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #17 January 31, 2006 QuoteHistory has proven this out far too many times... You no doubt have several examples of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 January 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteHistory has proven this out far too many times... You no doubt have several examples of this? Of course he does. Didn't take me long to remember that the Nazis disarmed the Jews, before they slaughtered 6 million of them... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #19 January 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHistory has proven this out far too many times... You no doubt have several examples of this? Of course he does. Didn't take me long to remember that the Nazis disarmed the Jews, before they slaughtered 6 million of them... - Note John's use of the words "far too many times". Also note my use of the word "several". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #20 January 31, 2006 I was making a point (one obviously lost on YOU) that if I could, right off the cuff, come up with ONE, surely John has a comprehensive list of more. John, here's your cue. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #21 January 31, 2006 A quick search just as John suggested ("gun control genocide") yielded this: QuoteIn our own era, "gun control" promoted the Nazi genocide against 6,000,000 Jews and 7,000,000 Gentiles, in which 1.5 million Jewish children were murdered. The Nazis inherited a "gun control" law -- complete with detailed registration lists -- from the centrist Weimar Republic, which enacted "gun control" to curb political violence. Those registration lists enabled the Nazis -- who gained power through the ballot box -- quickly to disarm their opponents, to gain an iron grip on Germany, and to make sure that no one could challenge them. "Gun control" promoted at least seven other major 20th Century genocides, including those in Rwanda, Cambodia, and the ex-Soviet Union. In just 103 days, 800,000 Rwandans were murdered in 1994, including several hundred thousand thanks to "gun control" (laws of 23 November 1964 and 1 May 1979). In these eight major genocides, a total of 57 million children, women, and men were murdered by officials of governments "gone bad," thanks to "gun control." Rabbi Yoffie's advocacy of "gun control" -- a euphemism for the step-by-step total disarming of civilians -- directly promotes genocide. That is disgraceful for any person, and especially so for a Jew. In other words, if a genocide occurred in a country which, prior to the genocide, had strict prohibitions or controls on gun ownership, it is quite reasonable to correlate the ease with which government forces rounded up and massacred unarmed people with the fact that they were unarmed and unable to mount any significant resistance against their murderers. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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JohnMitchell 16 #23 January 31, 2006 QuoteA quick search just as John suggested ("gun control genocide") yielded this: Don't forget the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. First they rounded up all the private firearms, then the killing really started. Stalinist Russia was another good example of excessive gun control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #24 January 31, 2006 I thought Stalinist Russia was a good example of food control. Food control was easy once they had gun control... And it saved the government bullets. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #25 January 31, 2006 With that logic, would you say that willingness to accept gun control reflects confidence in the state? In effect, if you have confidence in your government, legal system, etc... THEN you're willing to accept gun control. OTOH... If you're worried about how your government is going to behave, if you mistrust your government & legal system, then you want to arm yourselves. Mike. PS: Britain is a lousy example since guns have been successfully demonised here. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
