Frenchy68 0 #76 February 4, 2006 QuoteThe French, however, are well-known for surrendering. The same cannot be said for Americans Based on 1940, you are right. But along these lines, Americans are well known for not getting involved from the get go (1914, 1939). Not sure it's a very productive pissing match though... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #77 February 4, 2006 I it wasn't for the french the Americans would still be saluting Her Majesty. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #78 February 4, 2006 QuoteThe government of Denmark should apologize to muslims by offering free Elephant Malt Liquor and a Kobenhavner Schnitzel to every mosque in the country. agree but only as we dont have any such I think the muslims now got a new fight to fight.I maen it aint funny anymore in Iraqe etc etc lets do our self a favor,cut the syupplyes to thouse who treath our country or our people. If a dog is biting me i aint going to give it food,so why give people who treath me my sourroundings and who wants to restrict us.. nahh call home ALL vestern suppyles lets boycut them.. How ironic it is they dont want us to make a joke as we has done on ALL public people arround the world(specialy in denmark),but as the muslims sees this they get angry,they then burn our flag,threathen us by hurting us burning a nice banner(relly funny painted cartoon)of our primeminister and then they ask us to say we´re sorry,that we will make a law to protect islam bwaaahaha they has some black humor i like em for that Why is it that when my 4 kids has Bday and wants to bring what ever to the school etc that they need to think of the muslims. When i offer to hold a bday party for them and they want traditional danish food,im not allowed to make it as of the muslims. Why is it that my kids are offered hala meat even as were against that way of killing animals? Tell you what.. In my house i serve pig if i like.If my kids want winegums on their bday they get it,if some kids dont like it or dont want it as its from a pig,its not going to ruin my day,they can eat the dry potatoes and eat chips if they like but im not doing specialy for them.. I think the Danish goverment already has used too much power on this area,im the one paying them,they should rather solve problems like safer ways for my kids rather that begging muslims or other for forgiveness as of somthing that has been a loong tradition in my country.. Has to note that i dont hate muslims,i have serval muslim freinds,but they has agreed to intergate in Denmark and even as they might dont agree whith all here then they thing its a great place to stay,its called respect for the colture your living in... Next step,lets appoligy that we showed them drawings,but then all arabic countryes should only have nude beaches,it should be by law..just not to offend the great country of DENMARK Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #79 February 4, 2006 QuoteYour error is in equating "CNN" with "Americans". They are one news organization. They do not represent all Americans. but i ref to the US as genneral(politicians)who has hidden in this Q. they stated that freedom of speach is needed,BUT they think the drawings are evil and bad,like understanding the muslims agressions.. that much of a support huh.. only reasson the french went down were as the cheif reporter lost his job as the owner of the paper were a muslim.. get the facts straight.. i see french helping more than the US in this matter... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #80 February 4, 2006 QuoteThe French, however, are well-known for surrendering. The same cannot be said for Americans. first off the french people dont like wars as much as US second what do you call vietnam? retreite? i know it aint surrender but it sure wasnt winning a war,more likely running away.. what about Iraqe.. i know big forces are pulling that US should give up.. Ithink US is doing alot great out there but im sick of americans pointing fingers at the french people they has their own oppinion and does their own choices respect them for that.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #81 February 4, 2006 Well, also looks like the US administration is taking the soft option and not supporting Denmark, inspite of Denmark being one those allies who always support the US including in Iraq... http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/us-backs-muslims-in-european-cartoon-dispute/2006/02/04/1138958938632.html QuoteUS backs Muslims in European cartoon dispute Email Print Normal font Large font Washington February 4, 2006 - 3:16PM The United States backed Muslims on Friday against European newspapers that printed caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad in a move that could help America's battered image in the Islamic world. ..... So what about this French bashing....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #82 February 4, 2006 Quote The French, however, are well-known for surrendering. The same cannot be said for Americans. Maybe it should be. At least as far as our government is concerned. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3634257.html State Department criticizes Muhammad cartoons Associated Press WASHINGTON — The State Department criticized today cartoon drawings in Europe of the Prophet Muhammad, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims." While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility. There has been a wave of protests throughout the Muslim world in recent days following publication of the cartoon drawings in European newspapers. "Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #83 February 4, 2006 Quote"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices." The effect of the drawings as to "inciting" anything is orders of magnitude below the perception of islam and muslims that will come of the threats of violence and terrorism following their publication... I know that my reaction to the caricatures was that it was poor taste and nothing else. However, the reaction from the middle east is not improving upon my impression of islamic countries.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #84 February 4, 2006 QuoteI think the Danish goverment already has used too much power on this area,im the one paying them,they should rather solve problems like safer ways for my kids rather that begging muslims or other for forgiveness as of somthing that has been a loong tradition in my country.. This is a problem in all of Europe. In France and Italy, the government is building mosques to accommodate these guests. Come to think of it, what business do Muslims have coming to your country and restricting expression in the first place? It's not like Denmark ever colonized a Muslim country... QuoteHas to note that i dont hate muslims,i have serval muslim freinds,but they has agreed to intergate in Denmark and even as they might dont agree whith all here then they thing its a great place to stay,its called respect for the colture your living in... When my parents were guest workers in Switzerland and Germany in the 60's, they had to abide by German customs, learn the language, and do their best to assimilate, out of, as you said, respect for the culture. Now, Muslims are going into Italy, calling for crosses to be taken down from the walls in schools, vandalizing public art out of being offended by them, and in general acting as if they're entitled to all they're being given, for doing NOTHING other than being immigrants. My parents went back to Italy this year to visit and said that if they acted in Switzerland or Germany back then the way that Muslims do in Italy today, they would have lost their privileges to work and live in those countries. I don't understand why Europeans keep bending over further and taking it in the rear from muslims again and again. It's disturbing. QuoteNext step,lets appoligy that we showed them drawings,but then all arabic countryes should only have nude beaches,it should be by law..just not to offend the great country of DENMARK EXCELLENT idea. edited to add a quote from a friend who emailed me on the subject: "If I were head of the EU, I would make it law that all toilet paper have the face of Muhammad on it!!!" Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #85 February 4, 2006 QuoteCome to think of it, what business do Muslims have coming to your country in the first place? It's not like Denmark ever colonized a Muslim country... Most were invited in the 70's when there was a shortage of labour. Others arrived as refugees.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #86 February 4, 2006 WTF?!? Just heard it on the radio. The Danish embassy in Damascus has been set on fire. So much for dialogue and mutual repect... HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #87 February 4, 2006 QuoteMost were invited in the 70's when there was a shortage of labour. Same exact reason my parents left their poverty-stricken village in Italy in the 60's for Germany and Switzerland. Note that most of the southern European guest workers back in the 60's went to these countries with the intent to go home with some money. Difference here is that the immigrants we're talking about have no intention to leave and want to change their host culture. QuoteOthers arrived as refugees. All the more reason to respect the ways of the country you're living in, even if you find it offensive at times. QuoteWTF?!? Just heard it on the radio. The Danish embassy in Damascus has been set on fire. So much for dialogue and mutual repect... Are you surprised? I'm not, even keeping in mind that this is all over a cartoon. Danes should do the same to the Syrian embassy in Copenhagen (if there is one). They won't though -- they're too civilized for that. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #88 February 4, 2006 QuoteNote that most of the southern European guest workers back in the 60's went to these countries with the intent to go home with some money. Difference here is that the immigrants we're talking about have no intention to leave and want to change their host culture. It's almost as if it were an islamic crusade, maybe? Send millions of immigrants out who in turn are offended by the rest of the world's heathen ways, then guilt our dumb-asses into accommodating for them by building mosques and making law to protect them and make it easy to spread their religion. Sure, it's on one end of the spectrum but it's starting to walk like a duck... I wonder why we don't hear too many of the liberals jumping up and down trying to convince the world that WE are wrong and THEY are right. Could it be that it would further point out their hatred of Judeo-Christian religions? I mean, it's okay to attack and mock Christianity because they don't have a right to be offended, but when millions of muslims go up in arms wanting blood over a CARTOON... it's our fault because we've offended them? I would like to add my apology to the Danes for the US's lack of support here. That really pisses me off. If people don't stand up, we'll constantly be walking on eggshells with the muslim world. Eventually, we may find ourselves in REAL trouble.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #89 February 4, 2006 That's my thinking too. Now the Syrians have burned our embassy there (and that of Chile and Sweden as a byproduct). What'd the US do if one of their embassies were burned? What'd the Syrians do if we burned theirs? We're still sending these people money through foreign aid, hoping that the moderates will eventually prevail. If that doesn't happen, a counter-boycott is in order. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #90 February 4, 2006 QuoteEventually, we may find ourselves in REAL trouble. I don't think we need to wait for "eventually" to happen. I think it's already started. It actually started years ago, but is ramping up more and more lately and the hatred spewing out of the muslim world this last week can not be ignored anymore. World War II was a war of nations. This war is a war of religions and ideologies. Is it too late to opt out of this war? I mean I'm not Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Oh wait, the muslims define the "Infidel" as anyone not Muslim right? So I guess I can't opt out. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #91 February 4, 2006 QuoteWe're still sending these people money through foreign aid, hoping that the moderates will eventually prevail. If that doesn't happen, a counter-boycott is in order. The EU is a massive economic player. No need to resort to anything as blunt as a boycott. Just tax any goods entering the EU from countries that cannot guarantee the safety of EU citizens and embassies.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #92 February 4, 2006 QuoteI would like to add my apology to the Danes for the US's lack of support here. Thanks for you and fellow skydiver/BASEjumpers supports here on this site,we as danes knows that experssions aint always for a hole cuntry even as the goverment says so.Its nice knowing that people dont agree totaly in all what has been said. Just got the news about the amasede in Syria,im proud that the danish goverment has demanded ALL danes out of syria right away,and will considder what to do about syria by now(political),in 20 mins from now there will be extra news arround here were i hope to get more info on this.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #93 February 4, 2006 QuoteIs it too late to opt out of this war? I mean I'm not Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Oh wait, the muslims define the "Infidel" as anyone not Muslim right? So I guess I can't opt out. Unfortunately, the "friends of islam" type folks out there will not realize this until their friends saw their heads off (figuratively or literally). It is a real shame that it is starting to look like there are less and less modern, moderate muslims out there. Eventually, EVERYONE will have to face this problem... it will just take some longer to realize it.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #94 February 4, 2006 A "safety tax". Takes a Dane to come up with a tax solution Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #95 February 4, 2006 QuoteA "safety tax". Takes a Dane to come up with a tax solution For starters I'll settle for an apology from Syria that they couldn't keep our embassy safe and economic compensation, but somehow I don't think that's going to happen...HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #96 February 4, 2006 it wont happen.. just lets pull out our people and lets bring Sweeden and Norway aswell... I hope some danish Imans soon will get charges for country coruption..They has done nothing good so far.. Og lad os så drikke en fadbamse Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #97 February 4, 2006 QuoteOg lad os så drikke en fadbamse Now look at what you did. You made me open a bottle of whisky (Dun Bheagan). Have you no shame? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #98 February 4, 2006 Still have a few xsnow pints here one crack open.. cheers for freedom of speach. QuoteHave you no shame? I dont know,but ill let you know if i find some one day Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #99 February 4, 2006 Update: The poor religious people who are protesting being likened with terrorists, are now marching on the French embassy after having torched the Danish, Swedish, Chilean and Norwegian embassies. This is clearly the way to show that Islam is a religion of mercy and peace... HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #100 February 4, 2006 Quote"We should have killed them, we should have required just punishment for those who respect neither religion nor its holiest symbols," Awesome. All this over a cartoon. There's no way anyone can defend this child-like reaction. It's almost like we don't need to call the nut-jobs "radical muslims" anymore... we can just call them "muslim" and we'll have to specify when we're talking about the "non-radical muslims" since it seems that they're either invisible, in the minority, or scared to defend their religion.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
