falxori 0 #151 February 6, 2006 QuoteIt may be racially charged, but let's think for just one minute..... What would a world without Muslims be like? It would be a whole hell of a lot more peaceful that much is true.... I doubt "having no muslims" (or any other group) will lead to a peaceful world. the human race is tribal by nature, we'll join forces against a mutual foe and be at eachother's throats when one does not exist. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #152 February 6, 2006 QuoteHappy now? Yes, see my post above. Edit: The one named "Thank you".HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,485 #153 February 6, 2006 Quotethe human race is tribal by nature, we'll join forces against a mutual foe and be at eachother's throats when one does not exist. Yeah, enemies are kind of like deities. In the absence of a real one, people just naturally tend to invent their own. And you can't ever really know who's the real enemy or the real God, can you... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #154 February 6, 2006 QuoteHappy now? Not entirely. From the statement: QuoteWe urge all governments to take measures now to lower tensions and prevent violence, including against any diplomatic premises and against businesses and individuals. We stand with our friends and allies in urging a constructive and peaceful dialogue emphasizing respect for all religious faiths. We commend Danish Prime Minster Rasmussen's responsible statements in recent days urging tolerance and respect for all faiths and for freedom of the press. We stand in solidarity with Denmark and our European allies in opposition to the outrageous acts in Syria today. It seems to me that statements like this are really just wordy ways of saying, "Kiss the asses of the violence-threatening muslims and appease them so they don't feel offended enough to attack innocent people." This whole "urge tolerance/respect all faiths" thing is BULLSHIT. No one is holding the MUSLIMS to the demand to "respect and be tolerant of all faiths!" Everyone else has to do that to muslims! I have not heard of any of the supporters of the cartoons' publications advocating violence. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #155 February 6, 2006 QuoteI doubt "having no muslims" (or any other group) will lead to a peaceful world. the human race is tribal by nature, we'll join forces against a mutual foe and be at eachother's throats when one does not exist. I disagree. There are many cultures that live, or at least make a serious and good-faith effort to live, under a credo of live-and-let-live, whereby we agree to not harm others in exchange for a pact that they will not harm us. Muslims will not live by such a pact -- the world has seen this unwillingness time and time again, stated in blood. If you disagree, please tell us which group among the world's many groups and "tribes" would step up to be the constant threat of terrorist bombings and kidnappings and beheadings? If I had to guess, the next group would be either Marxists or eco-terrorists and animal-"rights" activists. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,485 #156 February 6, 2006 Religion has brought us a lot of enemies -- think of Jews, think of Muslims (to the Catholics of the Middle Ages). There are the Hutus vs. Tutsis. There are the whites vs. the blacks in the US until the mid-60's. The Nazis needed an enemy, so they made one (and the Russians before them). Not all were of equal violence, but, ya know -- not all Muslims are equally violent, either. A lot of people only feel good if they know they're better than someone else. If it takes putting that someone else down, well, so be it. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #157 February 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI it wasn't for the french the Americans would still be saluting Her Majesty. It was nice of them to help out at Yorktown. But that was more for their own power struggle with the British, then for altruism towards America. What good have they been since? Good pointWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #158 February 7, 2006 To the Danes on this board... Because there is a boycott against your products in the ME, I'd like to ask if there are some products which you sell here that I can buy. No, I'm not saying that my measly few bucks spent on Danish cheese will turn the tide; but it will help (even if just a drop). But there's precious little I can do except this, and so I'd like to. Any suggestions? I am partial to chocolate, but any idea would be good. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #159 February 7, 2006 I'm with Michelle. I'd go online and buy a Danish product. Just not the newspapers. (Because of their bad taste only, I still support them printing most anything, but I won't buy it if I think they are being jerks about it) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #160 February 7, 2006 Well, I don't know much about Danish exports to the States but apparently this weblog does. A quick google for "buy Danish campaign" turned up this link. If I make it to the WFFC this year I'll bring some Danish beer. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #161 February 7, 2006 They've banned Lego!! The children, will somebody please think of the children!! ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDane 0 #162 February 7, 2006 As a Dane, I'd just like to say: Thank you for the support Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #163 February 7, 2006 Rasmack, thanks for the link. I have to go to the market today in any event, so some danish ham and Havarti cheese is on my list. I figure I can sit here and curse the assault on freedom of speech while eating a good sammich. LOL! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #164 February 7, 2006 Hey! You forgot the beer. And you call yourself a skydiver?!? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #165 February 7, 2006 Nope, I didn't forget the beer...but I don't know a Danish one. Any suggestions? Besides, if I'm having a sammich for lunch, it's likely I won't drink alcohol (work stuff, you know...)...but I'll be happy to tipple one this evening. Gimme a name! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #166 February 7, 2006 Carlsberg is probably the only one that has made it across the pond.HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #167 February 7, 2006 you seem to think that everything & everybody is motivated solely by hate & fear. Some people think it isn't a good thing to deliberately insult other religions or other races. I would be well within my constitutional rights if I were to publish offensive & racist sambo-like depictions of black people, for example. That doesn't mean that I would do it. And if I felt morally opposed to publishing it may not mean that I'm afraid that black people are going to do violence to me if I publish them. Perhaps some people object to publishing offensive caricatures because they REALLY ARE morally opposed to them, not because they're trying to kiss ass or are afraid of the Muslims. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #168 February 7, 2006 QuoteI'm with Michelle. I'd go online and buy a Danish product. http://www.carlsberg.dk/Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #169 February 8, 2006 Article: "The case for mocking religion" http://www.slate.com/id/2135499/#ContinueArticle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #170 February 8, 2006 QuoteI would be well within my constitutional rights if I were to publish offensive & racist sambo-like depictions of black people, for example. That doesn't mean that I would do it. And if I felt morally opposed to publishing it may not mean that I'm afraid that black people are going to do violence to me if I publish them. Perhaps some people object to publishing offensive caricatures because they REALLY ARE morally opposed to them, not because they're trying to kiss ass or are afraid of the Muslims. Your comparison is apples-to-oranges. It is very clear that muslims attack, in the physically violent sense, when anyone insults them. Black people are not renowned for that in the way that muslims are. More to the point, the lampooning of mohammed is GERMANE because MUSLIMS [I]ARE[/I] CONDUCTING FREQUENT VIOLENT ATTACKS ON INNOCENT PEOPLE. It is NOT the same as depicting blacks in a racially derogatory way. That is not political commentary -- not nearly like making a statement about how muslims are representing their religion around the world via violent acts. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,485 #171 February 8, 2006 QuoteMore to the point, the lampooning of mohammed is GERMANE because MUSLIMS ARE CONDUCTING FREQUENT VIOLENT ATTACKS ON INNOCENT PEOPLE. It is NOT the same as depicting blacks in a racially derogatory way.So you're saying that it's OK to say something that's offensive about Muslims because they get violent when they're pissed, but it's not OK to say something that's similarly offensive about blacks because they don't? That's weird. So if I say to you that gun owners are a bunch of cretins because it's likely to result in a long diatribe with lots of colorful language that's OK, but if I say that base jumpers are a bunch of cretins to TomAiello it's not OK because he'll just say "you're wrong, whatever" or something like that? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #172 February 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteMore to the point, the lampooning of mohammed is GERMANE because MUSLIMS ARE CONDUCTING FREQUENT VIOLENT ATTACKS ON INNOCENT PEOPLE. It is NOT the same as depicting blacks in a racially derogatory way.So you're saying that it's OK to say something that's offensive about Muslims because they get violent when they're pissed, but it's not OK to say something that's similarly offensive about blacks because they don't? That's weird. So if I say to you that gun owners are a bunch of cretins because it's likely to result in a long diatribe with lots of colorful language that's OK, but if I say that base jumpers are a bunch of cretins to TomAiello it's not OK because he'll just say "you're wrong, whatever" or something like that? Wendy W. What?! NO! What I was saying is that people are more afraid to say stuff against muslims because they know muslims are far more likely to turn MURDEROUS if they perceive an insult, than black people are, as a whole. How did you misconstrue my point so badly? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #173 February 8, 2006 You also did not address the validity of using political cartoons to criticize and humorize something that a political group actually does. That is what political cartoons are for. So now everyone is saying that it's still okay to do it about gun owners (our local paper attempts to color them as ignorant yokels at every turn), Christians, Catholic priests, SUV owners... but not about certain groups -- like muslims, blacks, Jews, or gays. But of all of those, ONLY MUSLIMS are KNOWN to be the ones from whom we can 100% expect deadly attacks to come if we insult them. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
