unformed 0 #51 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo, yeah, I know there medical/genetic/physical problems, but 99% of those medical problems can be taken care of by eating better and excercising. This is simply wrong. rl Does the US happen to have more obesity-causing diseases floating around than other developed countries? Why do we have a much higher percentage of obese people?This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 January 30, 2006 QuoteWhy do we have a much higher percentage of obese people? apparently we breath more of the oxygen ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #53 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhy do we have a much higher percentage of obese people? apparently we breath more of the oxygen i would think that's caused by a bad heart, which could be helped by exercise.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #54 January 30, 2006 okay...nobody steal my idea...it's a new diet fad called the thermodynamics diet. all you need to do is use more energy than you consume and you'll lose weight! in fact, if you continue with this diet for too long, you'll die! pretty effective huh... "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #55 January 30, 2006 My "dumbass" tone, as you put it... was not implied from my side (I should know, I wrote it), it was inferred by him and evidently you. Asking someone to re-read a post because you think they might have missed something does not mean you think they're a dumbass. If you have any future concerns that someone thinks someone might be a dumbass, best to ask them first... then get indignant about it if they say yes. Even if asked in a PM, I would have said no. Reading that much into a single sentence with no wierd smileys, emphatic punctuation, or text effects seems a bit of a stretch to me... but hey, I'm the insensitive one here I guess.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #56 January 30, 2006 QuoteWhat is your driving force when it comes to defending Narcimund? People's motives are now challenged whenever they say they understand my points? Talk about persona non grata! It's now a social crime just to side with me! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #57 January 30, 2006 Quotediet and excercise can be blamed for ALL obesity. Your medical expertise is staggering. And my interest in your education is flagging... you can blame that on my laziness. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #58 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuotediet and excercise can be blamed for ALL obesity. Your medical expertise is staggering. And my interest in your education is flagging... you can blame that on my laziness. your laziness aside, everything trent has said so far is correct."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #59 January 30, 2006 QuoteYour medical expertise is staggering. And my interest in your education is flagging... you can blame that on my laziness. You know, I didn't have a problem with the last "misunderstanding", but now I can see that you're just trying to piss people off. What is your problem, dude? Are you incapable of having people disagree with you? Are you implying that someone who, on a regular basis, eats 3,000 calories worth of food can still gain weight if they burn 6,000 calories per day, regardless of their metabolism or any other disorders? Just insult me and my intelligence again, though. I'm sure it'll make you feel good about something.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #60 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo there's no chip that I can see, or else I share it. Do you ever. I've explained it to you once in a PM; I'll explain to you now right out here in public: a person's personality is not the argument, and making it the argument is a logical fallacy, not to mention totally annoying. QuoteWhat is your driving force when it comes to defending Narcimund? He appears quite capable of speaking for himself, maybe you dissagree? He's quite capable of speaking for himself, which is part of what makes him so compelling. I see people post agreement/disagreement in these forums all the time. Am I so different that I should be excluded from doing this? The underlying answer--the driving force--is that I think Narcimund is brilliant. He shines. I love reading what he writes because it's written with a razor's edge. There aren't that many really smart people in the world. Those that I run into, I take note of, and then I do my level best not to lose track of them again. Call it intellectual stalking. But you're still zeroing in on the psychology of the poster and not the argument at hand. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #61 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotediet and excercise can be blamed for ALL obesity. Your medical expertise is staggering. And my interest in your education is flagging... you can blame that on my laziness. your laziness aside, everything trent has said so far is correct. That diet and exercise can be blamed for ALL obesity? Well, there was the 50 pounds I gained in less than three months when I was 15. Diet and exercise? Nothing had changed, except my thyroid broke, and the doctor put me on high estrogen birth control pills, all unknowing. It was a double whammy. My weight gain and loss over the years bears no correlation to what I eat. None. I've got more than four years of food diaries--every goddam thing that went into my mouth--and it does not explain the fluctuations, particularly the extreme fluctuations, in my weight. I weighed 125 pounds (almost 5'8" tall) when I was 15. Since then, I've been as high as 205 and as low as 135. Never have these weights had anything to do with the amount of food I was putting in my mouth, but were, in fact, directly related to the state of my autoimmune disorder, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. Just two weeks ago, I put on ten pounds in less than three days. I wasn't eating differently, but occasionally, in response to my weird hormones, my body will do this. Most of it has come off, but it wasn't caused by consumption of food or the lack thereof. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #62 January 30, 2006 Quotedirectly related to the state of my autoimmune disorder, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis Facts facts facts! Don't give us no stinking facts. Our innate right to feel more moral than thou immunizes us from facts. Truth by superiority complex! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #63 January 30, 2006 QuoteBut you're still zeroing in on the psychology of the poster and not the argument at hand. Negative rl. My response wasn't directed at Narcimund at all. I was merely inquiring about your persistant and compulsive defense of him. I swear, it's not three minutes someone says something to him, or about him....YOUR THERE! All over it, are you his mom? Like i said, he is articulate and "Razor Sharp" and he can speak on his own behalf wighout the bolstering of your verbal support. (IMHO) If i were him, i'd be embarrassed that someone always jumped to my defense. But, again that's me.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #64 January 30, 2006 so you're saying that your weight fluctuates quite dramatically over the course of a relatively short period of time. i wouldn't call that obesity. obesity (as i see it) is a prolonged status of ones body weight being far above that of what it would be given a balanced diet and a moderate amount of exercise (be it plowing fields or jogging). one cannot gain weight to the point of being obese, under any circumstance, if that person does not consume excess energy. there is no physical way around that. add excercise to that and the formula for losing weight is complete."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #65 January 30, 2006 QuoteMy weight gain and loss over the years bears no correlation to what I eat. None. I've got more than four years of food diaries--every goddam thing that went into my mouth--and it does not explain the fluctuations, particularly the extreme fluctuations, in my weight. And none of the weight you gained could have been limited or lost by exercising to burn off what your body was trying to store? I never said it was easy and never accused people of being lazy. I'm still waiting for a valid explanation of how someone gains weight while burning more "food" than they consume.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #66 January 30, 2006 QuoteTruth by superiority complex! huh...truth by physics. now where the hell did i leave my superiority complex? "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #67 January 30, 2006 Quoteokay...nobody steal my idea...it's a new diet fad called the thermodynamics diet. all you need to do is use more energy than you consume and you'll lose weight! in fact, if you continue with this diet for too long, you'll die! pretty effective huh... Call it the John Madden diet - he's always saying super insightful things like - If team A can score more points than team B, then team A has a good chance of winning. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #68 January 30, 2006 QuoteIf i were him, i'd be embarrassed that someone always jumped to my defense. But, again that's me. Yes, that's you. Personally, I think it's nice to have someone at my back when I'm attacked ad hominem. And I can remember at most two or three times RL has spoken up for me. I think you're making the story much more interesting than reality. Why? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #69 January 30, 2006 Admit it. You like girls. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #70 January 30, 2006 QuoteYes, that's you. Personally, I think it's nice to have someone at my back when I'm attacked ad hominem. Yeah, whatever. QuoteAnd I can remember at most two or three times RL has spoken up for me. I can remember more than that. QuoteI think you're making the story much more interesting than reality. Why? Oh, hell who knows? Bored i suppose.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #71 January 30, 2006 Quoteso you're saying that your weight fluctuates quite dramatically over the course of a relatively short period of time. i wouldn't call that obesity. What's a relatively short period of time? I can go a year or more in one phase (with small losses and gains throughout), and then experience a dramatic change. You may not call it obesity, but you're not the person living in my skin. You have no idea how difficult and painful it is to be fat and to have no control over it. I remember one time in particular that I was getting extra exercise, and all that did was keep me from gaining more than the 25 pounds I'd already put on. There are a lot of men and women with thyroid disorders. Some of them are the people you're making fun of behind their backs. And there are other metobolic disorders that cause the same problem. It's just not as simple as eat more, gain, eat less, lose. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #72 January 30, 2006 QuoteI'm still waiting for a valid explanation of how someone gains weight while burning more "food" than they consume. You've had it several times so I assume it's hopeless. Despite several posts which explain it quite clearly, you insist on attacking a position that's not being defended: Namely that mass/energy is not conserved and weight just appears from nowhere. For anyone out there who's paying attention, NOBODY HAS ARGUED THAT. I won't repeat the argument that I AM making again. It just gets ignored. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #73 January 30, 2006 QuoteAdmit it. You like girls. If someone stuffed a straight pill down my throat I'd catch the next plane to RL. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #74 January 30, 2006 QuoteSome of them are the people you're making fun of behind their backs. feel free to think what you like but, don't put words in my mouth."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #75 January 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteYes, that's you. Personally, I think it's nice to have someone at my back when I'm attacked ad hominem. Yeah, whatever. Lucid and laconic. But seriousl, I get the occasional "Thanks for saying what I'm too shy to say" PMs. That's better than nothing I guess, but it's even nicer when the team stands next to you instead of behind you. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
