Man, it must be hard being a Democrat...

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don't think Republicans are being very centrist either (or even fiscally conservative for that matter).

I agree. The fact, however, is that Republican leadership tends to try to publicly distance itself the far-right reactionaries (with the possible exception of the NRA, which many will argue is a far-right reactionary group).

You don't find Republican leadership really espousing and approving of the comments of Pat Robertson. He's pretty far out there, and is getting worse in his descent into madness.

The Dems are pretty tight with the Teacher's Union, as well as oher unions. NOW, NAACP, all will vote strictly Democrat. The Democrats really cater to a very broad sector of ideologies.

I have recently spent a great deal of my radio listeing time listening to Pacifica Radio. It's a self-described radical radio station. I used to listen to a lot of right-wing radio, but it just bored me. I thought that they were too performance based.

On the other hand, I hear sheer hatred coming from the guests on this radio station. I mean HATRED. Fear-mongering and pandering in the same way other groups do. "Matthew Makepeace," who was the organizer and key speaker at a rally yesterday to get GWB to abdicate, was shocking in his hatred and vitriol.

Not all people who don't live in San Francisco, New York or New England are rednecks, folks. Corporations are not the reason why you can't find a easy, high-paying career with your Master's degree in English. George Bush and Sam Alito are not the devil (stricken due to reference to judeo-christian religion) incarnate. And, above all, people of color who disagree with you are not sell-outs. And Hillary Clinton is not treated like a slave to the Bush administration.

I think that my thinking is consistent with the thinking of many others. While I have never voted Democrat or Republican for President, I find myself far more distrustful of Democrats than Republicans. Kind of in the same way that I have more distrust the great white shark circling my surfboard more than the mako.

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Kind of funny how you actually feel bad for them in a way, huh? The problem w/ the Dems is that they're all focused on coming up w/ anything possible to destroy Bush and the Republicans, while completely ignoring the country. In general, the Dem party (mostly senior leadership) doesn't really give a shit about the country and only cares about one thing, wrecking Bush's and the Rep party's image. If they'd just put their petty, 3rd grade mentality away and actually try to work w/ everyone to do some good, then they're party wouldn't be so far in the crapper. They don't need to agree w/ the Republicans on everything, but for God's sake, stop the whining and just get some shit done. The Dems need more people like Obama before they'll see the top again. People like Kennedy...sorry buddy, you just need to get the fuck out.

The worst part about this, is that I AM a democrat (though lean a bit to the right) and I agree with you completely.

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The worst part about this, is that I AM a democrat (though lean a bit to the right) and I agree with you completely.

Too bad (for the Dems anyways) that a seemingly vast amount of them can't seem to understand this simple aspect and change it. Look everywhere and you'll see tons of dems just bitching incesently about Bush, but providing no solutions, nor any inkling of even considering putting the petty name-calling aside to get some work done. I hope Guilliani, McCain, or a mix get in there on the next one. They're more centrist and will probably be able to bring the country closer together...as long as some people stop acting like their 5 yr old children.

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The worst part about this, is that I AM a democrat (though lean a bit to the right) and I agree with you completely.

Too bad (for the Dems anyways) that a seemingly vast amount of them can't seem to understand this simple aspect and change it. Look everywhere and you'll see tons of dems just bitching incesently about Bush, but providing no solutions!

When you have correcty identified the problem, the first step in the solution is to get rid of the problem. Hence the opposition to Bush. How hard is that to understand?

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That was a very cool post.

Minus the "I see your point" part. If one feels so stringly that their side is superior, what exactly is the point of continually bashing the other side?

Getting them to see how obviously wrong they are and shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause everyone to have to live by their flawed ideology.

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I agree. The fact, however, is that Republican leadership tends to try to publicly distance itself the far-right reactionaries (with the possible exception of the NRA, which many will argue is a far-right reactionary group).

I'm a life member.
I have seen very clearly that the only people who view the NRA as a "far-right reactionary group" are those who don't know a fucking thing about it.

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Who really gives a fuck?

The whole Ford-thing was a red herring they threw in to distract from the fact that they have not a fucking thing to say about the MAIN issues I raised.

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I thought it was to point out that your opinions are rooted in a demonstrated ignorance of US recent history.

Pretty close. I was simply pointing out that his opinions were being distracted by his errors regarding historical fact.

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Well all I hear is Bush this, Bush that...how bout everyone stops whining and starts coming up w/ "here's how we're going to do taxes" or "here's what we need to do to make our country safer"...but no, you don't hear much of that coming from the Dems mouths...it's more like "whine whine whine, Bush did this" or "bitch bitch bitch, the Republicans are so terrible b/c they did/said this!" Now of course this is for the general pop in the Dem party leadership.

Why do you think the Dems lost again to Bush, when so many were SO SURE that Bush didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell? The US population doesn't want their 3rd grade bullshit and will not give the Dems control until the party snaps out of this crap and starts acting like they should. And seriously, you think the Dems have a chance w/ nutjobs like Dean at the helm? Put people like Obama in control and then we'll talk.

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One of the mistakes the Dems made that stands out in my mind was during the '04 election. Kerry constantly said he had a plan, but never really articulated what it actually was.

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One of the mistakes the Dems made that stands out in my mind was during the '04 election. Kerry constantly said he had a plan, but never really articulated what it actually was.

Chris

Now, do you think that's because he had a plan and didn't articulate it (as elementary as that would have been) or that maybe, he just didn't have fuckall of a plan?

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That was a very cool post.

Minus the "I see your point" part. If one feels so stringly that their side is superior, what exactly is the point of continually bashing the other side?

Getting them to see how obviously wrong they are and shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause everyone to have to live by their flawed ideology.

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Sometimes when you want a loving bash-fest it just doesn't come, does it?

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The reason for the left's failures at election time and in the legislatures is that NO ONE LIKES THEIR IDEOLOGY ANYMORE.

People vote with their wallets.

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The reason for the left's failures at election time and in the legislatures is that NO ONE LIKES THEIR IDEOLOGY ANYMORE.

People vote with their wallets.

Not me. I vote my ideology.

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There's an ANGRY PARTY?

Tell me something: Why don't you give as much shit to RHINO for being "angry"? Is it that you have some hope for me, and want to save me from the Dark Side or something? Should I be flattered? I just wanna make sure...

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I mean, I look at recent history and see how much has failed to work out for them...

- Gun control is their pet losing issue, and not only is it a complete failure, they stick by it as though it has hope for winning in the future. (Can you say "STUPID"?) We sunsetted the so-called "Assault Weapons Ban." We banned predatory lawsuits current and future, that were merely a ploy to bankrupt the firearms industry. Concealed carry legislation has become a reality in more than 3/4 of U.S. states! (in under two decades!)

- They lost the presidential election TWICE

- ...after losing control of Congress

- Now there have been not one but TWO U.S. Supreme Court justices selected by BUSH -- and there were ZERO for Clinton, right? Wow.


They just don't seem to be winning at ANYTHING. I don't like them or their policies and beliefs, but I still can vicariously feel that punch-in-the-gut feeling when they lose more and more and more... It's kinda sad...

Now, do all these Democrats honestly think that the losses they've suffered, and the gains made by Republican ideologies, happened despite some overwhelming American public support for Democrats and their ideologies? I think that's a bit too counterintuitive...

They are always talking about how popular they and their ideas are with the American people. But the overwhelming tide of progress has been made by Republican ideas... Explain how it's proof that Americans agree with Democrats.

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- They lost the presidential election TWICE

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Actually not..but anyway at it is not a democracy anymore, you can say what you want!

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Don't you find it ironic that Kallend doesn't join the grand old party?

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Don't you find it ironic that Kallend doesn't join the grand old party?

He's actually a lot more conservative than many give him credit for.

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I know. Just thought the irony was there.

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Actually not..but anyway at it is not a democracy anymore, you can say what you want!

Nope, they did in fact lose in 2000. It was essentially a dead heat, but with the processes we have in place, Bush won fairly. Had it been on the other foot, the Democrats wouldn't be apologizing for winning. Of course, Nader was one of many factors that got him there that had nothing to do with a better message or ideology.