Define necessity

[benforde 0]

Anyting to add?

[Darius11 12]

Simple we are all selfish, and if any one disagrees they can sell their rig and send that along with the how much they spend on Skydiving a year to the poor.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Simple we are all selfish, and if any one disagrees they can sell their rig and send that along with the how much they spend on Skydiving a year to the poor.

Nice dude.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Scoop 0]

Yep, im a selfish mofo and I love it

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

You're right. I question the necessity of having three kids when a couple knows there is not enough food around to feed themselves, much less themselves and one kid, much less themselves and three kids.

(Of course, the father probably was some Sudanese warlord's minion, so it was probably just the mother and the kids...)

I question it any time anyone brings into the world a kid they can't afford to take adequate care of.

Maybe the picture should show a couple fucking and ask, "Necessity?" and next to it would be a picture of a loaf of bread.

Don't make 'em if you can't feed 'em. How's that?

(And don't jump down my fuckin' throat: YES, the kids are innocent in this. The parents are the fuckin' assholes.)


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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[benforde 0]

Somewhere between food and Chromed out oversized spinning rims on a huge petrol guzzlin' SUV might be a space of reason... that's how i see it.

[jumper03 0]

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Somewhere between food and Chromed out three rings on a Brand new Voodo in a huge petrol guzzlin' Otter might be a space of reason... that's how i see it.

Fixed that for you.....

Scars remind us that the past is real

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I actually side with PJ here.

Of course, my reply probably would not have been so angry....but I agree none the less.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[seedy 0]

The computer you typed your post on could have fed all of them. Or is it just everyone else must give up their stuff?

I intend to live forever -- so far, so good.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Somewhere between food and Chromed out oversized spinning rims on a huge petrol guzzlin' SUV might be a space of reason... that's how i see it.

We have to address the need/desire discrepancy within our own sphere of influence and familiarity.

Just how far do you expand that sphere in determining whether you and I, driving our nice modern cars and eating steak and fresh vegetables daily, are responsible for putting food on the table of those starving kids?

Is every person who lives a prosperous life required to live an ascetic existence until such point that everyone on the planet receives the bare necessities?

What about the notion that people must work for their own survival? Should the citizens of the world be obligated to carry the unfortunates on their backs? Just until they can fend for themselves? Indefinitely?

Is it truly valid to put a guilt trip on those who can afford to live well just because some cannot? Where does my responsibility for the starving children of Africa (or even Appalachia) begin and end?

Some argue that each is responsible for his own life, and if he can't meet his own basic necessities, if others help him, that's grand; and if they don't, nature takes its course and he does not survive long.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[benforde 0]

I actually agree with all of you, I love my Otter full of Jet A

at least you're not all talking of boobs for once, right?

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Somewhere between food and Chromed out oversized spinning rims on a huge petrol guzzlin' SUV might be a space of reason... that's how i see it.

Can you demonstrate how doing without those things would equate to more food being made available to those starving kids?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[benforde 0]

Of course i can, so could you, but for now I'm heading to the DZ... gotta jump, have a good week end.

Ciao.

—B

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Somewhere between food and STAINLESS three rings on a Brand new MIRAGE G4 in 3 JET A'Otters might be a space of reason...

Fixed that for you.....

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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nature takes its course and he does not survive long

Nature (and history) is full of "Survival of the fittest" scenarios. The strong survive and the weak die off. It's the foundation of evolution. Plus, one only needs to look at nature to determine the true and simple "meaning of life" and that is to propagate the species to ensure it's survival. But that is the survival of the species, not the survival of the individual.

I am responsible for my own well being (and that of my direct dependents ... which in my case ... is a pet as I'm not married and I have no kids). I am not responsible for the survival of others. For that they will need to look after themselves and/or hope they have someone who will take care of them. Who said life is easy and fair? One only needs to look at nature to understand how cruel and short life can be.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Somewhere between food and Chromed out oversized spinning rims on a huge petrol guzzlin' SUV might be a space of reason... that's how i see it.

AH HA!!!. It's a Stereogram. If you stare at the poster hard enough you will se a 3D representation of the poster-maker's issues that does not have anything to do with the [bono]Starving Chil'duns[/bono].

My Girlfriend says she sees a lack of an Economics Class

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Don't forget the skyvans, dc-3, beech, king airs and jets.....

Scars remind us that the past is real

[Skyrad 0]

In a country where there is no pension people rely on their children to look after them in old age, the infant mortality rate is high in the developing nations and so the more children people have the more likely they are to have some survive into adulthood to take care of them. Draught and starvation are not always there in a country so how are these people often uneducated, to know that in two years the crops will fail or some psycho dictator will come to power and wreck a country and let the people starve? Try understanding life from a non american point of view when discussing other continents. Neccesity for these people is knowing some of their children will most likely die but knowing if they don't have them then when they are old they won't be able to survive themselves. That is neccesity.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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In a country where there is no pension people rely on their children to look after them in old age, the infant mortality rate is high in the developing nations and so the more children people have the more likely they are to have some survive into adulthood to take care of them. Draught and starvation are not always there in the same country so how are these people often uneducated, to know that in two years the crops will fail or some psycho dictator will come to power and wreck a country and let the people starve? Try understanding life from a non american point of view when discussing other continents.

Sounds like a problem with their government.

In some places in the world, when the people were under a rotten government, they rose up, at the cost of lives and fortunes (ring a bell?) and overthrew their oppressors. They then did their best to form a government that would, by its charter, be accountable to the people.

Maybe the U.K. should invade these African locales and set up a nice welfare state so that the pensioners will have income when they retire. This would obviate the need to have 67 emaciated children that you hope will farm and forage for you when you hit old age.

They call the definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again, hoping for a different result." Isn't that what generation after generation of these people are doing?

Then when people DO come in, through acts of charity, to give them education, and medical assistance, they are accused of trying to spread disease to the natives and kill them off. (Happened with some vaccine they were bringing there last year or so.) They REJECT the KNOWLEDGE that is brought from far more advanced cultures for their own benefit. They cling to superstition and that perpetuates their misery.

I even read in a newspaper article a few years ago that in some African country (maybe countries) they believe that if a man infected with HIV and suffering from AIDS has sex with a virgin girl it will cure him.

Guess what the fuck happens instead.

And they still don't put the fuckin' clues together.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Frenchy68 0]

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In some places in the world, when the people were under a rotten government, they rose up, at the cost of lives and fortunes (ring a bell?) and overthrew their oppressors. They then did their best to form a government that would, by its charter, be accountable to the people.

Indeed. However, in almost all cases, the wealthy minority rose against the regime, and the "little" people took care of the actual fighting and overthrowing. In most African countries, the wealthy cast usualy benefits from local regimes, hence making it unlikely it will spark an uprising.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Neccesity for these people is knowing some of their children will most likely die but knowing if they don't have them then when they are old they won't be able to survive themselves. That is neccesity.

You don't see something inherently wrong in the practice of having kids -- some of whom you have strong reason to believe will die in agony of starvation and disease -- just as a security thing so that you'll be taken care of when you're old?

That's truly fucked up. That is NOT a healthy reason to have children.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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In some places in the world, when the people were under a rotten government, they rose up, at the cost of lives and fortunes (ring a bell?) and overthrew their oppressors. They then did their best to form a government that would, by its charter, be accountable to the people.

Indeed. However, in almost all cases, the wealthy minority rose against the regime, and the "little" people took care of the actual fighting and overthrowing. In most African countries, the wealthy cast usualy benefits from local regimes, hence making it unlikely it will spark an uprising.

Well, the poor then have an obligation to either rise up because they don't like their lot, or shut up because they refuse to do anything about it. Or is it only worth doing if the wealthy will back you up? Is freedom worth having only if the wealthy will sponsor your fight to have it?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Is freedom worth having only if the wealthy will sponsor your fight to have it?

I think it has to do with freedom not being on top of poor people's priority list. I'd think that basics such as food, shelter, and reproduction come first. Sometimes religion also comes in the mix. Freedom is a luxury that few people get to strive for. IMO.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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Is freedom worth having only if the wealthy will sponsor your fight to have it?

I think it has to do with freedom not being on top of poor people's priority list. I'd think that basics such as food, shelter, and reproduction come first. Sometimes religion also comes in the mix. Freedom is a luxury that few people get to strive for. IMO.

If these people were not being shit on by warlord-type "governments" and other despicable despots who line their pockets and fill their overseas bank accounts with loot on the backs of their people, those poor would probably be able to get by a lot easier. Freedom itself enables people to prosper. If they got some, maybe they'd have a better shot at earning a living and being able to obtain food and medicine.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Frenchy68 0]

I totally agree with you.

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."