RhondaLea 4 #251 February 16, 2006 QuoteI am sorry to be the one that has to tell you this, but I actually saw her at the Winn Dixie with another woman. I could handle the other woman, but Winn Dixie? I'm so overwrought, I've instantly changed my orientation to short green guys. rl, who is heartily sick of this threadIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #252 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe extreme political agenda of the homosexual community has become a stain on the undershorts of America. Perhaps the most offensive outcome of their constant activism is that they have shoved down our throats a world in which we cannot go two or three consecutive days without the issue of homosexuality somehow, in one way or another, being constantly brought to our attention. Now there's an amusing misdirection. Or maybe I should say projection. One need look no further than the last presidential campaign to see that it was the right wing, and not either the left or "militant gay-rights advocates" who kept up the steady drumbeat of "gay marriage" as a political mantra, day after day after day. It was a classic example of making a "fear issue" out of a non-issue... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ The Republicans were responding to the ongoing attempts by the gay community to force us to accept this concept of homosexual "marriage" as decreed by activist judges. The issue has already been raised; the Republicans were speaking out in an attempt to fight this idiocy. If the far-left had not brought up the subject in the first place, the right would not be forced to respond. It is not a "non-issue." It has already been imposed in some places, not by the people, and not according to the democratic system, but by liberal judges who see their mission as the destruction of traditional moral values and the imposition of a secular-humanist world view. As for your claim that the right has a monopoly on "forcing" people to do anything, see the thread entitled "Civil Liberties" a few months back, where we explored in detail the fact that it has been legislation pushed primarily by liberal Democrats which has resulted in a long list of things we were once free to do but are now illegal: Try driving alone in the left lane, without a seatbelt, perhaps with your loaded handgun somewhere in the vehicle where you can easily gain access to it. Or open a business and allow your employees & customers to smoke if you so choose. Maybe you'd like to ride a bike through Boston without a helmet, or refuse to put off that summer vacation because the school system has decided that imposing their year-round schedule is more important than your family's priorities. Just tell them when you'll be back and ask for a list of work your kid will have to make up... Or maybe you'd like to run for office, or support someone who does. Make whatever donations to the campaign you want, or accept whatever money anyone wants to offer. Don't keep records; after all, it's nobody's business. Buy whatever advertising you can afford. Run these ads every day, in fact every hour until the polls close on election day. If you operate a TV or radio station, accept these ads and run them whenever you like... Maybe you oppose abortion and want to speak out. Make a sign with a brief message and stand outside the clinic on the public sidewalk. Speak quietly with anyone interested; otherwise stand there for awhile and greet people warmly as they pass by... Perhaps you like to take late-night walks. Leave your ID at home. If a cop asks, politely remind him that he has no reason to ask your name, where you're going, why you're out, etc. Wish him a nice evening and continue on your way... When you find yourself in court, waiting for your name to be called and wondering why you're even there in the first place, remember to thank the Democrats for creating these stupid laws. And remember what happened to the politicians, especially the Republicans, who opposed these laws. Remember how you claimed they just "didn't care" and accused them of responding to political donations over "public safety" concerns. Then tell me again how the far-right is a threat to your liberty, while the far-left is all that remains to save us from the totalitarian gulag. Cheers, Jon S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #253 February 17, 2006 Cough cough BUSLLSHIT SO.. if all these offensive laws are a bad thing.. why have they not all been rescinded by your beloved Republican run Executive Branch.. Republican dominated House of Representatives....Republican dominated Senate..... and Republican dominated Supreme court tha put this Republican president in office. Instead they have enacted MORE restrictive laws themselves like the so called "Patriot" Act.... it really is too bad so many of those patriots ran for cover when they were young and found ways NOT to serve their country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #254 February 17, 2006 sigh. The difference between "activist judges" and "good judges" seems to be whether or not one agrees with the result of the ruling. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws. The judges looked at the constitution and said "there's nothing here that says gay people can't get married. If you want to prevent gay people from getting married, amend the constitution to indicate that." That's not being activist. That's doing their job, and it's why we have the ability to amend our state and federal constitutions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Airman1270 0 #255 February 17, 2006 Quotesigh. The difference between "activist judges" and "good judges" seems to be whether or not one agrees with the result of the ruling. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws. The judges looked at the constitution and said "there's nothing here that says gay people can't get married. If you want to prevent gay people from getting married, amend the constitution to indicate that." That's not being activist. That's doing their job, and it's why we have the ability to amend our state and federal constitutions. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ By declaring that "marriage" includes same-sex couples, they are engaging in judicial activism. It is not their job to "interpret" the meaning of common words whose definitions have been understood by all peoples, religions, & cultures since the beginning of recorded history. An example of judicial activism vs. "doing their job" is the Bush/Gore election in 2000. The Florida legislature had created specific conditions under which election results could be collected, counted, etc. These guidelines included specific dates & time frames within which this process must be conducted. 1) Judicial Activism: The Florida Supreme Court said the election laws could be arbitrarily ignored, and ordered the recount process to continue. 2) Doing Their Job: The U.S. Supreme Court overruled the SCOFLA, forcing them to honor the law as it was written by the legislature. The SCOFLA was trying to "interpret" the law to make it say the opposite of what it actually said. The SCOTUS looked at the law and said "you can't do this - it's not part of your job description." Again - Gay people can get married. If they're not attracted to the opposite sex there's little point in doing so, but they are free to get married if they really, really want to. Why are they not content to live their lives in peace and leave the rest of us alone? Keep my nose out of your bedroom. Cheers, Jon S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #256 February 17, 2006 The word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #257 February 17, 2006 QuoteThe word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!! and just to make sure: Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #258 February 17, 2006 QuoteThe word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #259 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws. I am not saying they are doing it correctly or not, but interpretting laws still refers to whether or not those laws are constitutionally sound.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #260 February 17, 2006 QuoteBy declaring that "marriage" includes same-sex couples, they are engaging in judicial activism. It is not their job to "interpret" the meaning of common words whose definitions have been understood by all peoples, religions, & cultures since the beginning of recorded history. Same-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. QuoteAgain - Gay people can get married. If they're not attracted to the opposite sex there's little point in doing so, but they are free to get married if they really, really want to. This is slightly off-topic, but now I am curious... How do you feel about people who are born with both male and female sex organs - do you think they should be allowed to get married? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #261 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteBy declaring that "marriage" includes same-sex couples, they are engaging in judicial activism. It is not their job to "interpret" the meaning of common words whose definitions have been understood by all peoples, religions, & cultures since the beginning of recorded history. Same-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. QuoteAgain - Gay people can get married. If they're not attracted to the opposite sex there's little point in doing so, but they are free to get married if they really, really want to. This is slightly off-topic, but now I am curious... How do you feel about people who are born with both male and female sex organs - do you think they should be allowed to get married? this really IS off topic... the question really is, what are they, male or female? A true hermaphrodite is not both/and. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #262 February 17, 2006 Quotethis really IS off topic... the question really is, what are they, male or female? A true hermaphrodite is not both/and. The question came up because some have said that they think homosexuality is a choice, and that doesn't seem to have been proven either way... So I am curious how they feel about a situation that is obviously not a choice... There are people that have been born intersexual - with both male and female reproductive organs and genitalia (yes, some are more male than female and vice versa, but some are right in between)... So, with the idea that a legal marriage should be between one man and one woman, should these people not be allowed to marry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #263 February 17, 2006 I suspect they just stay home a lot and wonder what all the fuss is about. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #264 February 18, 2006 Before anyone goes off half-cocked, you might want to take a look at some of this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6994580/ http://www.isna.org/library/law/vilain_aaas_2005 http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency http://www.isna.org/node/670 Our notions of what is male and what is female do not have the strong basis in reality that some of us believe.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zennie 0 #265 February 18, 2006 QuoteOur notions of what is male and what is female do not have the strong basis in reality that some of us believe. But... but... you still have a nookie and we still have a pee pee... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zennie 0 #266 February 18, 2006 And for the record I'm all for gay marriage as long as gay divorce comes with the deal. Not fair that only heteros should have a monopoly on misery.... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #267 February 18, 2006 QuoteAnd for the record I'm all for gay marriage as long as gay divorce comes with the deal. Not fair that only heteros should have a monopoly on misery.... Good point!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Airman1270 0 #268 February 18, 2006 ...This is slightly off-topic, but now I am curious... How do you feel about people who are born with both male and female sex organs - do you think they should be allowed to get married? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Apologies for my ignorance on this subject, but I ASSume these folks make up such an insignificant statistical percentage of the population that it doesn't much matter. What are they with their clothes on? Which restroom do they use at work? Take one of each, let them get married, and just imagine the fireworks. Cheers, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #253 February 17, 2006 Cough cough BUSLLSHIT SO.. if all these offensive laws are a bad thing.. why have they not all been rescinded by your beloved Republican run Executive Branch.. Republican dominated House of Representatives....Republican dominated Senate..... and Republican dominated Supreme court tha put this Republican president in office. Instead they have enacted MORE restrictive laws themselves like the so called "Patriot" Act.... it really is too bad so many of those patriots ran for cover when they were young and found ways NOT to serve their country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #254 February 17, 2006 sigh. The difference between "activist judges" and "good judges" seems to be whether or not one agrees with the result of the ruling. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws. The judges looked at the constitution and said "there's nothing here that says gay people can't get married. If you want to prevent gay people from getting married, amend the constitution to indicate that." That's not being activist. That's doing their job, and it's why we have the ability to amend our state and federal constitutions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #255 February 17, 2006 Quotesigh. The difference between "activist judges" and "good judges" seems to be whether or not one agrees with the result of the ruling. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws. The judges looked at the constitution and said "there's nothing here that says gay people can't get married. If you want to prevent gay people from getting married, amend the constitution to indicate that." That's not being activist. That's doing their job, and it's why we have the ability to amend our state and federal constitutions. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ By declaring that "marriage" includes same-sex couples, they are engaging in judicial activism. It is not their job to "interpret" the meaning of common words whose definitions have been understood by all peoples, religions, & cultures since the beginning of recorded history. An example of judicial activism vs. "doing their job" is the Bush/Gore election in 2000. The Florida legislature had created specific conditions under which election results could be collected, counted, etc. These guidelines included specific dates & time frames within which this process must be conducted. 1) Judicial Activism: The Florida Supreme Court said the election laws could be arbitrarily ignored, and ordered the recount process to continue. 2) Doing Their Job: The U.S. Supreme Court overruled the SCOFLA, forcing them to honor the law as it was written by the legislature. The SCOFLA was trying to "interpret" the law to make it say the opposite of what it actually said. The SCOTUS looked at the law and said "you can't do this - it's not part of your job description." Again - Gay people can get married. If they're not attracted to the opposite sex there's little point in doing so, but they are free to get married if they really, really want to. Why are they not content to live their lives in peace and leave the rest of us alone? Keep my nose out of your bedroom. Cheers, Jon S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #256 February 17, 2006 The word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #257 February 17, 2006 QuoteThe word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!! and just to make sure: Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #258 February 17, 2006 QuoteThe word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #259 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe word "marriage" doesn't appear in the constitution. It's the job of judges to interpret the federal and state constitution and laws. I am not saying they are doing it correctly or not, but interpretting laws still refers to whether or not those laws are constitutionally sound.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #260 February 17, 2006 QuoteBy declaring that "marriage" includes same-sex couples, they are engaging in judicial activism. It is not their job to "interpret" the meaning of common words whose definitions have been understood by all peoples, religions, & cultures since the beginning of recorded history. Same-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. QuoteAgain - Gay people can get married. If they're not attracted to the opposite sex there's little point in doing so, but they are free to get married if they really, really want to. This is slightly off-topic, but now I am curious... How do you feel about people who are born with both male and female sex organs - do you think they should be allowed to get married? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #261 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteBy declaring that "marriage" includes same-sex couples, they are engaging in judicial activism. It is not their job to "interpret" the meaning of common words whose definitions have been understood by all peoples, religions, & cultures since the beginning of recorded history. Same-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. QuoteAgain - Gay people can get married. If they're not attracted to the opposite sex there's little point in doing so, but they are free to get married if they really, really want to. This is slightly off-topic, but now I am curious... How do you feel about people who are born with both male and female sex organs - do you think they should be allowed to get married? this really IS off topic... the question really is, what are they, male or female? A true hermaphrodite is not both/and. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #262 February 17, 2006 Quotethis really IS off topic... the question really is, what are they, male or female? A true hermaphrodite is not both/and. The question came up because some have said that they think homosexuality is a choice, and that doesn't seem to have been proven either way... So I am curious how they feel about a situation that is obviously not a choice... There are people that have been born intersexual - with both male and female reproductive organs and genitalia (yes, some are more male than female and vice versa, but some are right in between)... So, with the idea that a legal marriage should be between one man and one woman, should these people not be allowed to marry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #263 February 17, 2006 I suspect they just stay home a lot and wonder what all the fuss is about. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #264 February 18, 2006 Before anyone goes off half-cocked, you might want to take a look at some of this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6994580/ http://www.isna.org/library/law/vilain_aaas_2005 http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency http://www.isna.org/node/670 Our notions of what is male and what is female do not have the strong basis in reality that some of us believe.If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #265 February 18, 2006 QuoteOur notions of what is male and what is female do not have the strong basis in reality that some of us believe. But... but... you still have a nookie and we still have a pee pee... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #266 February 18, 2006 And for the record I'm all for gay marriage as long as gay divorce comes with the deal. Not fair that only heteros should have a monopoly on misery.... - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #267 February 18, 2006 QuoteAnd for the record I'm all for gay marriage as long as gay divorce comes with the deal. Not fair that only heteros should have a monopoly on misery.... Good point!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #268 February 18, 2006 ...This is slightly off-topic, but now I am curious... How do you feel about people who are born with both male and female sex organs - do you think they should be allowed to get married? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Apologies for my ignorance on this subject, but I ASSume these folks make up such an insignificant statistical percentage of the population that it doesn't much matter. What are they with their clothes on? Which restroom do they use at work? Take one of each, let them get married, and just imagine the fireworks. Cheers, Jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #269 February 18, 2006 QuoteSame-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. No offense, but this is irrelevant. In the 200 year history of this country's existence, has marriage ever meant anything other than a man and a woman marrying? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #270 February 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteSame-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. No offense, but this is irrelevant. In the 200 year history of this country's existence, has marriage ever meant anything other than a man and a woman marrying? Yup. Its a fact. History, its irrelevant. I am going to add this to my sig line.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #271 February 18, 2006 QuoteNo offense, but this is irrelevant. In the 200 year history of this country's existence, has marriage ever meant anything other than a man and a woman marrying? No, but then for a good chunk of time during that 200 years "men" meant "white males" and "women" couldn't vote. I imagine people were making the same arguments about those habits changing also.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #272 February 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteSame-sex marriages took place in ancient Rome and even in North America among some Native American tribes, and probably in other cultures where Christianity was not an influence. No offense, but this is irrelevant. In the 200 year history of this country's existence, has marriage ever meant anything other than a man and a woman marrying? Not so far....there's a lot that we haven't got right yet though linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #273 February 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteNo offense, but this is irrelevant. In the 200 year history of this country's existence, has marriage ever meant anything other than a man and a woman marrying? No, but then for a good chunk of time during that 200 years "men" meant "white males" and "women" couldn't vote. I imagine people were making the same arguments about those habits changing also. Quiet you. No one wants to hear logical arguments! Just listen to the calming power of my sig line and everything will be okay.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #274 February 18, 2006 I even posted a link. http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency Maybe this will make it more comprehensible: Here’s what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life. Below we provide a summary of statistics drawn from an article by Brown University researcher Anne Fausto-Sterling.2 The basis for that article was an extensive review of the medical literature from 1955 to 1998 aimed at producing numeric estimates for the frequency of sex variations. Note that the frequency of some of these conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, differs for different populations. These statistics are approximations. Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births Klinefelter (XXY) one in 1,000 births Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals Vaginal agenesis one in 6,000 births Ovotestes one in 83,000 births Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause) one in 110,000 births Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother) no estimate 5 alpha reductase deficiency no estimate Mixed gonadal dysgenesis no estimate Complete gonadal dysgenesis one in 150,000 births Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 2,000 births Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans penis) one in 770 births Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #275 February 18, 2006 QuoteJust listen to the calming power of my sig line and everything will be okay. It's going to take a lot more than your sig line to calm me. What else do you have to offer? rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
