Keith 0 #126 February 14, 2006 I don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. They don't get it because they don't want to. It makes them feel like men to sit on their pedestals and look down on us inferior fags.Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #127 February 14, 2006 QuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. They don't get it because they don't want to. It makes them feel like men to sit on their pedestals and look down on us inferior fags. Now Keith! I just KNOW you ain't talkin to ME! Seriously though, I hope I'm not included in your post. Honestly, even though my views differ from yours, I don't see you as in any way inferior to me as a person, simply b/c you are gay. This isn't just lip service b/c I think you're cute either. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #128 February 14, 2006 Actually, No, I wasn't referring to you Michael. I should have said so in my post. Btw you still owe me a beer. Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #129 February 14, 2006 QuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. They don't get it because they don't want to. It makes them feel like men to sit on their pedestals and look down on us inferior fags. Maybe it's because they know the women adore you for reasons a little more elusive than sex. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROK 0 #130 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. They don't get it because they don't want to. It makes them feel like men to sit on their pedestals and look down on us inferior fags. Maybe it's because they know the women adore you for reasons a little more elusive than sex. ________________________________________________ Dammit! I knew there was a secret we weren't being told about! In all seriousness, having a friend of the opposite sex and knowing that the "mating" factors are removed is pretty cool. One of my best friends is gay and there's a level of comfort when I'm with her that I find priceless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #131 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI already answered all you questions. You must have forgotten to press "Post Reply" because your answers do not appear anywhere in this thread. Forget it, LJ. It has now devolved into the same old thing: don't have an argument? Confuse the issue with a personal attack instead. It never ceases to amaze me. But then again, this is not the old college debate team. rl Edited to add: I do find a certain amount of ironic humor in the characterization of you as "bitter." It's been quite some time back, but I remember once that in a similar context, someone called me a "prude." what in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? There is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #132 February 14, 2006 Quotewhat in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? Calling him bitter is a personal attack. You'll get away with it because it is not a "personal attack" as defined in the rules here, but I don't acccept Sangiro's defintion. I use the phrase in a more traditionally accepted sense. QuoteThere is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You're missing the point. QuoteYou seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. And there's another one. Again, ad hominem, but not against the rules. I'm not the "world's greatest authority" to anyone, and there are a lot of people who disagree with me about many of my views. The difference lies in the expression of agreement and disagreement on both sides. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #133 February 14, 2006 QuoteIt has been traditionally thought that it is wrong to blow one's wad in another's mouth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh. So "I won't come in your mouth" is a Catholic thing Wendy W. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wow, you get me all hot and bothered when you say that. um... no, not really, the world "traditionally" was used intentionally. Micro/Sinker...whatever You bend the rules/adopt new meanings when it suits you and it is for your pleasure. yet, you hold stern to some of those same archaic rules to object to things you don't agree with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #134 February 14, 2006 QuotePerfect solution. Logical, reasonable, fair... I don't think we'll be seeing such a solution from the Bush administration. I thought this was very similar to a position put forth. The issue was it wasn't acceptable by the activists because the "word" was different. I think this will end up being a state's right issue and the real contention would be how the dispersal of federal funding as it relates to new definitions of civil unions is then affected. That should be a productive discussion as long as it doesn't get all confounded with emotional hyperbole by both sides of the argument. (fat chance) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #135 February 14, 2006 QuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. I do it because I have a strange mental pathology. I literally cannot bring myself to believe that there are people that can't see reason. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #136 February 14, 2006 The debate over gay marriage isn't about "church recognition" or "marriage in Christ's name." It's about legal recognition. If the government wants to get out of the marriage business entirely and leave marriage to the churches, and call all legal unions, regardless of gender "civil unions" most people would probably be okay with that, because it's not about the church, and it's not really about the name as long as whatever name it's given doesn't differentiate between unions of opposite gender and unions of the same gender (because, of course, we've learned that separate but equal isn't equal). It's mainly about the following: "On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. Among the state and federal benefits given to married couples are the rights to: joint parenting; joint adoption; joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents); status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent; joint insurance policies for home, auto and health; dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support; immigration and residency for partners from other countries; inheritance automatically in the absence of a will; joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment; inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate); benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare; spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home; veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns; joint filing of customs claims when traveling; wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children; bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child; decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her; crime victims' recovery benefits; loss of consortium tort benefits; domestic violence protection orders; judicial protections and evidentiary immunity; and more...." source: religioustolerance.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #137 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. I do it because I have a strange mental pathology. I literally cannot bring myself to believe that there are people that can't see reason. See Lawrocket's thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #138 February 14, 2006 QuoteActually, No, I wasn't referring to you Michael. I should have said so in my post. Btw you still owe me a beer. Ah, I'm so glad! And I know, I've been trying my damnedest to weasel a trip out to my San Diego office, but the closest I can get is Freemont on the 4th of March, which isn't all that close. Just know i'm still trying. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mockingbird 0 #139 February 14, 2006 I haven't read the other comments you've received to your question yet. I'm a Christian and therefore know what the bible says about homosexuality, so I basically need to agree with that. *However, individual people's practices aren't for me to censure unless their practices affect me. This doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the subject of homosexual marriage, as I am a part of a society of which Family is the foundation. The foundation crumbles due to attacks from within: infidelity, divorce, etc. Now from an attack from without: an attempt to change the concept of marriage and family. So basically that's my position on it. To answer the question of the title of the thread, I'd say "Yes, primarily. But if there weren't reason to oppose same sex marriage for religious reasons, there would be other reasons to oppose it. Sorry can't go into more detail now. *My brother is gay, has been in a monogamous relationship for 25 years. We are close to each other and loyal to the core. I have a couple of lesbian friends -- good friends--- for over 10 years. I don't censure their behavior, and they don't censure mine! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #140 February 14, 2006 Quote*My brother is gay, has been in a monogamous relationship for 25 years. didn't know! thanks for sharing. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #141 February 14, 2006 QuoteMaybe it's because they know the women adore you for reasons a little more elusive than sex. Hey speak for yourself.. I think Keith is HOT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #142 February 14, 2006 Article: Gay civil partnerships may improve health: study http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=129219+14-Feb-2006+RTRS&srch=gay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #143 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuotewhat in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? Calling him bitter is a personal attack. You'll get away with it because it is not a "personal attack" as defined in the rules here, but I don't acccept Sangiro's defintion. I use the phrase in a more traditionally accepted sense. QuoteThere is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You're missing the point. QuoteYou seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. And there's another one. Again, ad hominem, but not against the rules. I'm not the "world's greatest authority" to anyone, and there are a lot of people who disagree with me about many of my views. The difference lies in the expression of agreement and disagreement on both sides. rl Guess it's a good thing that this is HH's place then Rhonda Narc seems bitter since many of his posts have to do with his not being able to get married to his partner. I don't see Keith in that same mindset (maybe I'm wrong tho). Saying that is in no way a personal attack, just an observation. It's ironic how all the open minded people here start spewing all their little names at people that don't embrace their views of the world. Homophobe, racist, bloodthirsty etc. You didn't call those names personal attacks Rhonda, did ya? I've had gay friends in the past and probably will in the future but according to Narc, they are okay with being "sub human" since they're not ranting and raving about gay marraige. Sorry, but I disagree. I'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. You're from the NW and I'm sure that you're in the loop about all gay issues in the NW, so why bother? One thing I'm curious about is what is the biggest reason gays want to be married, tax breaks? And in closing, you're right Narc, everyone else is wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #144 February 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. You keep saying that but I would REALLLLLY love to see that list for NW companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #145 February 14, 2006 QuoteOne thing I'm curious about is what is the biggest reason gays want to be married, tax breaks? This was just answered in Post #136 of this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #146 February 14, 2006 Quoteunless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. That's EXACTLY what I asked. You've delayed two days in answering now. QuoteYou're from the NW and I'm sure that you're in the loop about all gay issues in the NW, so why bother? It sounds like I must be an authority on these matters and I've never heard of ANY governmental gay rights ANYWHERE that weren't vague echoes of heterosexual rights that were otherwise denied. That's why I asked. And I'm still waiting. QuoteAnd in closing, you're right Narc, everyone else is wrong Yes. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #147 February 14, 2006 Hmmm now where is my link to the Oregon Citizens Alliance.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #148 February 14, 2006 QuoteNarc seems bitter since many of his posts have to do with his not being able to get married to his partner. You're saying I'm bitter because I participate wholeheartedly in conversation about a subject that's close to my life? Should I restrain myself and only talk about things that don't matter to me? Or perhaps "bitter" just means "righteously angry" in which case you're right. QuoteI don't see Keith in that same mindset (maybe I'm wrong tho). Maybe Keith doesn't want to get married. Maybe Keith feels gay marriage is morally wrong. Or more likely, maybe Keith just knows something I don't: there's no future in trying to reason with "chuckle-heads". First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #149 February 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. From my knowledge "domestic partner" benefits also apply to same sex couples. That couple just needs to be living together for a certain amount of time before it applies. Should I be bitter against married couples or people who have children because they're getting extra benefits that I'm not?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #150 February 14, 2006 QuoteGuess it's a good thing that this is HH's place then Rhonda The rules are irrelevant to the fact that you make a lousy argument. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. 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MC208B 0 #131 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI already answered all you questions. You must have forgotten to press "Post Reply" because your answers do not appear anywhere in this thread. Forget it, LJ. It has now devolved into the same old thing: don't have an argument? Confuse the issue with a personal attack instead. It never ceases to amaze me. But then again, this is not the old college debate team. rl Edited to add: I do find a certain amount of ironic humor in the characterization of you as "bitter." It's been quite some time back, but I remember once that in a similar context, someone called me a "prude." what in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? There is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #132 February 14, 2006 Quotewhat in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? Calling him bitter is a personal attack. You'll get away with it because it is not a "personal attack" as defined in the rules here, but I don't acccept Sangiro's defintion. I use the phrase in a more traditionally accepted sense. QuoteThere is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You're missing the point. QuoteYou seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. And there's another one. Again, ad hominem, but not against the rules. I'm not the "world's greatest authority" to anyone, and there are a lot of people who disagree with me about many of my views. The difference lies in the expression of agreement and disagreement on both sides. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #133 February 14, 2006 QuoteIt has been traditionally thought that it is wrong to blow one's wad in another's mouth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh. So "I won't come in your mouth" is a Catholic thing Wendy W. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wow, you get me all hot and bothered when you say that. um... no, not really, the world "traditionally" was used intentionally. Micro/Sinker...whatever You bend the rules/adopt new meanings when it suits you and it is for your pleasure. yet, you hold stern to some of those same archaic rules to object to things you don't agree with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #134 February 14, 2006 QuotePerfect solution. Logical, reasonable, fair... I don't think we'll be seeing such a solution from the Bush administration. I thought this was very similar to a position put forth. The issue was it wasn't acceptable by the activists because the "word" was different. I think this will end up being a state's right issue and the real contention would be how the dispersal of federal funding as it relates to new definitions of civil unions is then affected. That should be a productive discussion as long as it doesn't get all confounded with emotional hyperbole by both sides of the argument. (fat chance) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #135 February 14, 2006 QuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. I do it because I have a strange mental pathology. I literally cannot bring myself to believe that there are people that can't see reason. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #136 February 14, 2006 The debate over gay marriage isn't about "church recognition" or "marriage in Christ's name." It's about legal recognition. If the government wants to get out of the marriage business entirely and leave marriage to the churches, and call all legal unions, regardless of gender "civil unions" most people would probably be okay with that, because it's not about the church, and it's not really about the name as long as whatever name it's given doesn't differentiate between unions of opposite gender and unions of the same gender (because, of course, we've learned that separate but equal isn't equal). It's mainly about the following: "On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. Among the state and federal benefits given to married couples are the rights to: joint parenting; joint adoption; joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents); status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent; joint insurance policies for home, auto and health; dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support; immigration and residency for partners from other countries; inheritance automatically in the absence of a will; joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment; inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate); benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare; spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home; veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns; joint filing of customs claims when traveling; wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children; bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child; decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her; crime victims' recovery benefits; loss of consortium tort benefits; domestic violence protection orders; judicial protections and evidentiary immunity; and more...." source: religioustolerance.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #137 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI don't know why you bother trying to explain anything to these chuckle-heads. I do it because I have a strange mental pathology. I literally cannot bring myself to believe that there are people that can't see reason. See Lawrocket's thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #138 February 14, 2006 QuoteActually, No, I wasn't referring to you Michael. I should have said so in my post. Btw you still owe me a beer. Ah, I'm so glad! And I know, I've been trying my damnedest to weasel a trip out to my San Diego office, but the closest I can get is Freemont on the 4th of March, which isn't all that close. Just know i'm still trying. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #139 February 14, 2006 I haven't read the other comments you've received to your question yet. I'm a Christian and therefore know what the bible says about homosexuality, so I basically need to agree with that. *However, individual people's practices aren't for me to censure unless their practices affect me. This doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on the subject of homosexual marriage, as I am a part of a society of which Family is the foundation. The foundation crumbles due to attacks from within: infidelity, divorce, etc. Now from an attack from without: an attempt to change the concept of marriage and family. So basically that's my position on it. To answer the question of the title of the thread, I'd say "Yes, primarily. But if there weren't reason to oppose same sex marriage for religious reasons, there would be other reasons to oppose it. Sorry can't go into more detail now. *My brother is gay, has been in a monogamous relationship for 25 years. We are close to each other and loyal to the core. I have a couple of lesbian friends -- good friends--- for over 10 years. I don't censure their behavior, and they don't censure mine! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #140 February 14, 2006 Quote*My brother is gay, has been in a monogamous relationship for 25 years. didn't know! thanks for sharing. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #141 February 14, 2006 QuoteMaybe it's because they know the women adore you for reasons a little more elusive than sex. Hey speak for yourself.. I think Keith is HOT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #142 February 14, 2006 Article: Gay civil partnerships may improve health: study http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=129219+14-Feb-2006+RTRS&srch=gay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MC208B 0 #143 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuotewhat in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? Calling him bitter is a personal attack. You'll get away with it because it is not a "personal attack" as defined in the rules here, but I don't acccept Sangiro's defintion. I use the phrase in a more traditionally accepted sense. QuoteThere is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You're missing the point. QuoteYou seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. And there's another one. Again, ad hominem, but not against the rules. I'm not the "world's greatest authority" to anyone, and there are a lot of people who disagree with me about many of my views. The difference lies in the expression of agreement and disagreement on both sides. rl Guess it's a good thing that this is HH's place then Rhonda Narc seems bitter since many of his posts have to do with his not being able to get married to his partner. I don't see Keith in that same mindset (maybe I'm wrong tho). Saying that is in no way a personal attack, just an observation. It's ironic how all the open minded people here start spewing all their little names at people that don't embrace their views of the world. Homophobe, racist, bloodthirsty etc. You didn't call those names personal attacks Rhonda, did ya? I've had gay friends in the past and probably will in the future but according to Narc, they are okay with being "sub human" since they're not ranting and raving about gay marraige. Sorry, but I disagree. I'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. You're from the NW and I'm sure that you're in the loop about all gay issues in the NW, so why bother? One thing I'm curious about is what is the biggest reason gays want to be married, tax breaks? And in closing, you're right Narc, everyone else is wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #144 February 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. You keep saying that but I would REALLLLLY love to see that list for NW companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #145 February 14, 2006 QuoteOne thing I'm curious about is what is the biggest reason gays want to be married, tax breaks? This was just answered in Post #136 of this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #146 February 14, 2006 Quoteunless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. That's EXACTLY what I asked. You've delayed two days in answering now. QuoteYou're from the NW and I'm sure that you're in the loop about all gay issues in the NW, so why bother? It sounds like I must be an authority on these matters and I've never heard of ANY governmental gay rights ANYWHERE that weren't vague echoes of heterosexual rights that were otherwise denied. That's why I asked. And I'm still waiting. QuoteAnd in closing, you're right Narc, everyone else is wrong Yes. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #147 February 14, 2006 Hmmm now where is my link to the Oregon Citizens Alliance.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #148 February 14, 2006 QuoteNarc seems bitter since many of his posts have to do with his not being able to get married to his partner. You're saying I'm bitter because I participate wholeheartedly in conversation about a subject that's close to my life? Should I restrain myself and only talk about things that don't matter to me? Or perhaps "bitter" just means "righteously angry" in which case you're right. QuoteI don't see Keith in that same mindset (maybe I'm wrong tho). Maybe Keith doesn't want to get married. Maybe Keith feels gay marriage is morally wrong. Or more likely, maybe Keith just knows something I don't: there's no future in trying to reason with "chuckle-heads". First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #149 February 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. From my knowledge "domestic partner" benefits also apply to same sex couples. That couple just needs to be living together for a certain amount of time before it applies. Should I be bitter against married couples or people who have children because they're getting extra benefits that I'm not?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #150 February 14, 2006 QuoteGuess it's a good thing that this is HH's place then Rhonda The rules are irrelevant to the fact that you make a lousy argument. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. 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Amazon 7 #141 February 14, 2006 QuoteMaybe it's because they know the women adore you for reasons a little more elusive than sex. Hey speak for yourself.. I think Keith is HOT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #142 February 14, 2006 Article: Gay civil partnerships may improve health: study http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=129219+14-Feb-2006+RTRS&srch=gay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #143 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuotewhat in the hell are you talking about RL Where the fuck is any personal attack? Calling him bitter is a personal attack. You'll get away with it because it is not a "personal attack" as defined in the rules here, but I don't acccept Sangiro's defintion. I use the phrase in a more traditionally accepted sense. QuoteThere is absolutely no point in trying to express an opinion to narc, I'm a bigot or whatever the fuck he considers any other viewpoint besides his at the moment. You're missing the point. QuoteYou seem to be DZ.coms worlds greatest authority to lots of people here, not me however. And there's another one. Again, ad hominem, but not against the rules. I'm not the "world's greatest authority" to anyone, and there are a lot of people who disagree with me about many of my views. The difference lies in the expression of agreement and disagreement on both sides. rl Guess it's a good thing that this is HH's place then Rhonda Narc seems bitter since many of his posts have to do with his not being able to get married to his partner. I don't see Keith in that same mindset (maybe I'm wrong tho). Saying that is in no way a personal attack, just an observation. It's ironic how all the open minded people here start spewing all their little names at people that don't embrace their views of the world. Homophobe, racist, bloodthirsty etc. You didn't call those names personal attacks Rhonda, did ya? I've had gay friends in the past and probably will in the future but according to Narc, they are okay with being "sub human" since they're not ranting and raving about gay marraige. Sorry, but I disagree. I'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. You're from the NW and I'm sure that you're in the loop about all gay issues in the NW, so why bother? One thing I'm curious about is what is the biggest reason gays want to be married, tax breaks? And in closing, you're right Narc, everyone else is wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #144 February 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. You keep saying that but I would REALLLLLY love to see that list for NW companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #145 February 14, 2006 QuoteOne thing I'm curious about is what is the biggest reason gays want to be married, tax breaks? This was just answered in Post #136 of this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #146 February 14, 2006 Quoteunless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. That's EXACTLY what I asked. You've delayed two days in answering now. QuoteYou're from the NW and I'm sure that you're in the loop about all gay issues in the NW, so why bother? It sounds like I must be an authority on these matters and I've never heard of ANY governmental gay rights ANYWHERE that weren't vague echoes of heterosexual rights that were otherwise denied. That's why I asked. And I'm still waiting. QuoteAnd in closing, you're right Narc, everyone else is wrong Yes. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #147 February 14, 2006 Hmmm now where is my link to the Oregon Citizens Alliance.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #148 February 14, 2006 QuoteNarc seems bitter since many of his posts have to do with his not being able to get married to his partner. You're saying I'm bitter because I participate wholeheartedly in conversation about a subject that's close to my life? Should I restrain myself and only talk about things that don't matter to me? Or perhaps "bitter" just means "righteously angry" in which case you're right. QuoteI don't see Keith in that same mindset (maybe I'm wrong tho). Maybe Keith doesn't want to get married. Maybe Keith feels gay marriage is morally wrong. Or more likely, maybe Keith just knows something I don't: there's no future in trying to reason with "chuckle-heads". First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #149 February 14, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure what question I didn't answer either Narc unless you want a list of the cities and corporation in the NW that extend certain benefits to gays that don't to hetros. From my knowledge "domestic partner" benefits also apply to same sex couples. That couple just needs to be living together for a certain amount of time before it applies. Should I be bitter against married couples or people who have children because they're getting extra benefits that I'm not?There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #150 February 14, 2006 QuoteGuess it's a good thing that this is HH's place then Rhonda The rules are irrelevant to the fact that you make a lousy argument. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
