windcatcher 0 #201 February 15, 2006 I didn't read all of the article, but clearly there is a LOT of misrepresentations of Evangelicals. The author can't just go around quoting things as facts that aren't. I happened to hear the testimony of one man ( at my church) who was previously homosexual, and basically went through puberty twice...meaning the second time around he had the feeling and attraction to women. He used to be homosexual and eventually became heterosexual. He told his story about how he didn't have a good father figure growing up and relates that to his homosexuality. I really would like to see some studies of what the absence of a good father can bring in the lives of children and if/how that affects their sexuality at all. The author has no right to say things like QuoteEvery straight marriage that includes a gay husband is one Web-browser-history check away from an ugly divorce. and Quote("Gay activist" is a term evangelicals apply to any homosexual who isn't a gay doormat. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #202 February 15, 2006 QuoteI really would like to see some studies of what the absence of a good father can bring in the lives of children and if/how that affects their sexuality at all I grew up in a house with no father figure at all. Dad was running around with whatever woman he was married to at the time (there were 4). I was however, raised by my mother and her girlfriend in a lesbian household. Most adults I knew as a child were homosexual. I have marched in many a gay rights parade. After all of that, guess what, I am straight. Imagine that.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #203 February 15, 2006 QuoteAfter all of that, guess what, I am straight. Imagine that. These people aren't interested in your anecdotal evidence. They're only interested in their own anecdotal evidence. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #204 February 15, 2006 If you read some of the research that's been done on sexual orientation (Kinsey in particular), you'll find that most people fall somewhere in the middle of the scale, rather than completely hetero or completely homosexual. The majority of people fall into 1-5 rather than 0 or 6. However, that doesn't mean it's a choice. You don't consciously choose who you're attracted to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #205 February 15, 2006 QuoteI was once a therapist and I knew MANY who in public "professed" the party line of their professional organizations that "homosexuality is NOT a disorder but in the muffled tones of break rooms and behind closed doors, they often voiced that they did still believe that, in fact, homosexuality simply wasn't right. I don't have much respect or use for the opinions of therapists who will publicly claim that something is NOT a mental disorder when they truly believe that it IS; they are doing a disservice to their entire profession. And if they do not have evidence from empirical research to show that homosexuality is truly a mental disorder then I would guess their opinion is coming from their own preconceived and biased ideas of how things "should be" anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #206 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteI was once a therapist and I knew MANY who in public "professed" the party line of their professional organizations that "homosexuality is NOT a disorder but in the muffled tones of break rooms and behind closed doors, they often voiced that they did still believe that, in fact, homosexuality simply wasn't right. I don't have much respect or use for the opinions of therapists who will publicly claim that something is NOT a mental disorder when they truly believe that it IS; they are doing a disservice to their entire profession. And if they do not have evidence from empirical research to show that homosexuality is truly a mental disorder then I would guess their opinion is coming from their own preconceived and biased ideas of how things "should be" anyway. And that about sums it up. Jerks. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #207 February 15, 2006 Quotew/ the world view that adult heterosexual, consentual, monogamous sex is the norm When and where? Here and now? How about other times and other cultures, Michael. Adult heterosexual, consensual, monogamous sex is not the norm. It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #208 February 15, 2006 Quote It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. rl Like diamond rings...grrr....and not even that long for diamond ring. Now I am angry. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #209 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuotew/ the world view that adult heterosexual, consentual, monogamous sex is the norm When and where? Here and now? How about other times and other cultures, Michael. Adult heterosexual, consensual, monogamous sex is not the norm. It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. rl isn't this like the abortion thing, you know, something you and I shouldn't argue about? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #210 February 15, 2006 Very well said. I've read numerous studies where its states that 20-25% of men and 15% of women cheat on their spouse.Plus look at the following statistics. http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #211 February 15, 2006 QuoteAdult heterosexual, consensual, monogamous sex is not the norm. It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. I thought the norm in US culture was adult heterosexual, consensual, pretend-to-be-monogamous sex. Speaking of which, I find it rather bizarre that Bill Clinton of all people was the president to sign the Defense of Marriage Act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROK 0 #212 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuotew/ the world view that adult heterosexual, consentual, monogamous sex is the norm When and where? Here and now? How about other times and other cultures, Michael. Adult heterosexual, consensual, monogamous sex is not the norm. It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. ________________________________________________ You just banged the proverbial nail right on the head. Humans are animals. Sure, some of us are "higher" life forms, but still animals. The urge to procreate doesn't go away with a ring on the finger. The urge to improve our species is as strong as it ever was....well, it changed a little after the invention of beer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #213 February 15, 2006 Quoteisn't this like the abortion thing, you know, something you and I shouldn't argue about? Nope. It's not. The statement you made isn't a moral or religious issue, it's world history. We can argue world history. I checked the list of allowed and not allowed acts, and it was right there. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #214 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuote It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. rl Like diamond rings...grrr....and not even that long for diamond ring. Now I am angry. Baby, I won't ask you for a diamond ring. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #215 February 15, 2006 Quote[ Baby, I won't ask you for a diamond ring. rl These words you type? They appeal to me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #213 February 15, 2006 Quoteisn't this like the abortion thing, you know, something you and I shouldn't argue about? Nope. It's not. The statement you made isn't a moral or religious issue, it's world history. We can argue world history. I checked the list of allowed and not allowed acts, and it was right there. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #214 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuote It is what we've been socialized to in our culture, in our time. rl Like diamond rings...grrr....and not even that long for diamond ring. Now I am angry. Baby, I won't ask you for a diamond ring. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #215 February 15, 2006 Quote[ Baby, I won't ask you for a diamond ring. rl These words you type? They appeal to me. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #216 February 15, 2006 Narc, no need for pity pal! I'm not a "victim". Did you and your Partner get "married" in Portland in 04? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #217 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteisn't this like the abortion thing, you know, something you and I shouldn't argue about? Nope. It's not. The statement you made isn't a moral or religious issue, it's world history. We can argue world history. I checked the list of allowed and not allowed acts, and it was right there. rl Actually, it is... and I was talking about MY world view... perhaps I should have been more clear. And the world view of (IMO) a whole lot of others in the western (and probably eastern) hemisphere. so there. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #218 February 15, 2006 Quoteadult heterosexual, consensual, pretend-to-be-monogamous sex. Serial Monogamy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #219 February 15, 2006 QuoteActually, it is... and I was talking about MY world view... perhaps I should have been more clear. And the world view of (IMO) a whole lot of others in the western (and probably eastern) hemisphere. so there. So there, nothin', dude. But I don't feel like fighting with you today, in spite of the fact that you're sounding a lot like a flat-earther. As a factual matter...oh wait, never mind. I said I wouldn't. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #220 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteActually, it is... and I was talking about MY world view... perhaps I should have been more clear. And the world view of (IMO) a whole lot of others in the western (and probably eastern) hemisphere. so there. So there, nothin', dude. But I don't feel like fighting with you today, in spite of the fact that you're sounding a lot like a flat-earther. As a factual matter...oh wait, never mind. I said I wouldn't. go easy, rl... I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #221 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuote So there, nothin', dude. But I don't feel like fighting with you today, in spite of the fact that you're sounding a lot like a flat-earther. As a factual matter...oh wait, never mind. I said I wouldn't. go easy, rl... dude, that WAS easy. You got off light. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #222 February 15, 2006 Quotego easy, rl... After that picture you posted in the Bonfire? I'm comin' for ya, Michael. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #223 February 15, 2006 QuoteNarc, no need for pity pal! I'm not a "victim". Did you and your Partner get "married" in Portland in 04? Are you really coming back in here three days after several people asked you to give examples of gay-only rights and STILL not responding? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #224 February 15, 2006 QuoteQuotego easy, rl... After that picture you posted in the Bonfire? I'm comin' for ya, Michael. ok, just so i can have a hug after the official falling of the axe phone call that occurred 2 hrs and 20 minutes ago... I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #225 February 15, 2006 QuoteAfter all of that, guess what, I am straight. Imagine that. Yes, but you're also short and green. No one wants us to be taken over by a race of short, green...what are you, anyway? If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
