PLFXpert 0 #26 February 11, 2006 Oh my gosh, I saw a documentary on this. They need to show that in school. I don't smoke, do drugs, etc., but if they'd only had that type of shock treatment when I was in school, which wasn't long ago, a lot less students would experiment. Seriously, what girl is going to look at that and go, "Oh, I'd like to try that" or even the less obvious but still damaging effects of smoking. My mother has been a smoker for years, and now that she's in her 50s, she has these lines all around her lips from sucking on a cigarette. It's horrible. I NEVER want that---and trust me, it really happens if my mom got lines. The women in my family are blessed with aging well wrinkle/line free. We may loose hair...Ha!...but no lines/wrinkles and now my poor mother is so embarrased about these little lines around her lips. I seriously think they should have posters of that in schools----our culture is so aestically vain----I definitely think it would be effective in deterring a lot of potential experimenters.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #27 February 11, 2006 QuoteI found the lesions in the pictures to be a bit odd. I do know a bit about meth addiction, and I have never noticed it having a tendency to cause people to have lesions all over the face. The sunken face and the appearance of rapid aging are common, but I don't know about the facial lesions...(?) Me neither. The people I've known over the years who used meth didn't look any different than anybody else you'd see around....even after several years. This itching phenomonon is news to me. I think those people started out a bit rough, and maybe they're some of the more "severely afflicted." Just a thought... But I do think that meth abuse is a horrible problem. Not trying to condone. Just think those pictures are some of the outliers. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #28 February 11, 2006 I haven't researched it, but as mentioned previously, I watched a documentary on it, and then watched a news feature once that contained a police log of meth-abusers arrest records over time, etc. and both almost unanimously showed lesions. I believe due to obsessive scratching/picking. I also had a brief segment in college personal health class about short-term/long-term effects of nearly every drug out there and as I recall, lesions were in that lesson as well, an effect of meth. But, again----I can't say the above for sure. I didn't care enough to research it----I've never tried drugs that weren't "natural", meaning didn't grow by themselves from God's green earth. So, I've never really been too interested with researching the effects---doesn't really concern me. Edited to add: I personally don't really have a problem with people doing whatever they want to their bodies. I only have a problem with people's actions that effect other people----like if you're doing to be drunk, dont' drive. I had more to say....but then realized it was more "speaker's corner" and I don't like to go therePaint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #29 February 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteyeah, thats it, your right...of coarse there are no side effects of meth. how silly of us to think otherwise. Do you find those words anywhere in my post? If so, what drugs are YOU taking? i just find it interesting how you immediately attributed the effects of meth to police brutality. but then again, i am one of those wierdos who dont take illegal drugs, never have, never will....and i tend to think that this aids in keeping me out of a squad car, therefore lessoning the chance of police brutality. so sorry, i am unable to give you an answer as to what type of drug i am taking ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #30 February 11, 2006 from what i have heard, one of the ingrediants in meth is "coleman fuel" or white gas. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #31 February 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteSmoking meth makes HCL, or hydorochloric acid, also known as muriatic acid, often used to control the ph of swimming pools. Are you sure about that? Smoking meth makes HCl? Doesn't really matter. I would think that nobody in their right mind would use meth if they saw the nasty shit that is used to make it. Walt It is used in its manufacture, and I remembered hearing a radio interview of this doctor (the link is from NPR in Minnesota), where he described it as being present in the smoke: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4793417People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #32 February 11, 2006 QuoteMost of those are sores and lesions from malnutrition. The horible effects of meth are real. Those are caused my self mutilation...not malnutrition. although malnutrition does play a role in the changing of there faces along with the chemicals in the drug itself. Mostly these people FEEL there is something on there or in there face so they start picking and picking and picking at there faces skin etc.....I see the effects of meth on a daily basis. Our metro east area in St.Louis has a major problem with it...I get tired of seeing this. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #33 February 11, 2006 in reply to "I seriously think they should have posters of that in schools----our culture is so aestically vain----I definitely think it would be effective in deterring a lot of potential experimenters. " .................. This would be better than the fake cool image hard drug users project. Teenagers who are heavy users can have the internal organs of an 80 year old. If internal shots of wasted livers , kidneys lungs and other organs where shown then perhaps a few more potential drug suckers would be saved from finding out the hard way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #34 February 11, 2006 QuoteThis itching phenomonon is news to me. Not to me, but from what I've seen it affects different people in different ways. A (former) friend of mine developed a meth habit about ten years ago - she started using it to lose weight and kept using it so she could keep up with her two little kids. She was constantly scratching and had open sores on her arms, legs and face after only a year or so of using the shit. On the other hand, a relative of mine was a daily user for almost 10 years and he didn't have them at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #35 February 11, 2006 yeah, we call the sores "speed bumps." i live in the so cal high desert, lots of lots of meth up here, and plenty of tweekers to suck it up. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #36 February 11, 2006 Quote On the other hand, a relative of mine was a daily user for almost 10 years and he didn't have them at all. No doubt one of the rare - and very fortunate - ones? Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #37 February 11, 2006 Well.....that's just nasty. "People just ought ta not do that shit then....."linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #38 February 11, 2006 in reply to "Quote "On the other hand, a relative of mine was a daily user for almost 10 years and he didn't have them at all.' No doubt one of the rare - and very fortunate - ones? ............................. OR ....s(he) was keeping the "good" stuff and off loading the cut-down dirty shyte to keep the sad little show on the road. Most long term dealers/users who show little effect are either young enough to soak it up or old enough not to be using it. just say NO???? .....try saying JAM IT ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #39 February 11, 2006 QuoteWhat a waste of life. Their lives. Their choices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #40 February 11, 2006 I didn't like meth at all...it made my prick shrivel up to nothing and totally unusable!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bazelos 0 #41 February 12, 2006 That is pretty fucked up. He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #42 February 12, 2006 QuoteI didn't like meth at all...it made my prick shrivel up to nothing and totally unusable! *** The phenomenon know as "Crystal Balls"!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #43 February 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteI didn't like meth at all...it made my prick shrivel up to nothing and totally unusable! *** The phenomenon know as "Crystal Balls"!! Yeah, but isn't there a similar thing called Beer Nuts that happens to alcoholics? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #44 February 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI didn't like meth at all...it made my prick shrivel up to nothing and totally unusable! *** The phenomenon know as "Crystal Balls"!! Yeah, but isn't there a similar thing called Beer Nuts that happens to alcoholics? Walt *** Yeah but when that happens...yer drunk and ya just fall asleep... Imagine the frustration of rubbin' ole Knute ALL NIGHT LONG cause you're too wired to pass out! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #45 February 12, 2006 QuoteImagine the frustration of rubbin' ole Knute ALL NIGHT LONG cause you're too wired to pass out! You mean most guy's don't do that anyway? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #46 February 12, 2006 QuoteImagine the frustration of rubbin' ole Knute ALL NIGHT LONG cause you're too wired to pass out! Doesn't that contribute to the whole lesions thingy? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #47 February 12, 2006 The Faces of Meth? what about the brains of Meth users? Where is any community ever going to have the care of paranoid schizophrenics (mentally ill) looked after properly, never alone all the meth users (drug induced) permanent paranoid schizophrenics cared for? formication, aka, speed bumps, meth sores, crank bugs?? Meth use causes a rise in body temperature and increased blood flow to the skin to counteract it. The produced sweat contains an enzyme that increases blood flow to the skin, when the sweat evaporates, it removes the protective sebaceous oil which coats the skin. The combined effects of dehydration, sweating and removal of the sebaceous oil on the skin create a sensation on the nerve endings (feelings of something irritating or "crawling" on or under (parasitosis) the skin.) The skin is an escape route for the toxic wastes used to create the drug. The psycholocical aspects of this drug complicate the situation by causing the user to "tweak out" and obsessively pick, scrape and dig at their skin. The results are penetration and removal of the dermis, causing open, red (often bleeding) sores, most commonly on the face and arms but can be anywhere on the body. This provides a potential breeding ground for staph infection. "mix of laundry detergent and lighter fluid" Over-the-counter cold and asthma medications containing ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, red phosphorous, hydrochloric acid, drain cleaner, battery acid, lye, lantern fuel, and antifreeze are among the ingredients of meth. Athetosis (writhing jerky, or flailing movements), irritability, extreme nervousness, insomnia, confusion, tremors, anxiety, aggression, incessant talking, hyperthermia, and convulsions, anger, violence, panic, paranoia, auditory and visual hallucinations, repetitive behavior patterns, and formication. The binge abuse cycle is made up of these stages: rush, high, binge, tweaking, crash... I am unsure of any successful treatment available for meth addicts- education is everywhere and fear tactics obviously do not work. A methamphetamine "high" artificially boosts self-confidence, users are overcome by a "superman syndrome." In this state, methamphetamine abusers ignore their physical limitations and try to do things which they are normally incapable of performing. A tweaker is a methamphetamine addict who probably has not slept in 3-15 days and is irritable and paranoid. Tweakers often behave or react violently and if a tweaker is using alcohol or another depressant, his negative feelings and associated dangers intensify. The tweaker craves more meth, but no dosage will help re-create the euphoric high, which causes frustration, and leads to unpredictability and potential for violence. All one has to do is visit the local hospital emergency room to find it 1/2 full of meth addicts, I really feel for nurses, doctors, police that have to be trained to deal with tweakers. At the same time when one needs medical attention in ER I feel they desperately need a ward separate with padded cells for tweakers. Police in our community have been using the bait car program- steal one-you go to jail. The camera videos the inside of the vehicle and they show the vid clips online http://www.baitcar.com/.....100% tweakers and crack heads. SMiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #48 February 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteImagine the frustration of rubbin' ole Knute ALL NIGHT LONG cause you're too wired to pass out! Doesn't that contribute to the whole lesions thingy? Ciels- Michele Depends. Most guys--even meth-heads, I'm sure--are highly trained professionals in that area. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #49 February 12, 2006 A year ago I lived in a condo and I started to notice lots of new people coming and going. I realized one afternoon that these people were buying something.....then a few girls and a couple of guys who were obvious junkies started hanging around in the common area......they looked far worse than some of the people in those photos. I started taking a pics of people I would see walking to the dealers condo.......It was a nice mix of people-suit types to people in rags and lots of tow truck drivers! Harris county finally kicked in his door one morning and got him.........But it took about a week for his customers to stop showing up! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanda965 0 #50 February 12, 2006 QuoteTeenagers who are heavy users can have the internal organs of an 80 year old. There is one nursing home in particular that I can think of here in Columbus that takes in a lot of younger people that have fried out all their organs with drugs. If it wasn't for HIPPA, I would be taking some of my friends there on a field trip to learn a true lesson.Blue skies and SAFE landings! ~Amanda~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
