A second Iraqi former commander confirms WMDs

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Dude, you JUST made a thread with this.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Its a function of his tin foil hat.....they were sent out by the RNC to ensure proper group think

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that info was buried in that thread. Do you follow all threads all the way through?

Just wanted it out there.

As you know I have been saying that I think the facts are going to come out that show SH did have WMDs and now, when it starts to come out, ABC tries to pull a quick one.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Its a function of his tin foil hat.....they were sent out by the RNC to ensure proper group think

Can I have yours!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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> Tierney says, however, that what Saddam actually said was much more sinister. "He was discussing his intent to use chemical weapons against the United States and use proxies so it could not be traced back to Iraq," he told Hannity.

They have become no better than The Star / Globe / Enquirer....

They feel the need to modify historical evidence to fit their ongoing lies to the American people. As I've always have said the American Left i.e. media and those in government have a vested interest in America's defeat.

Cheney was smart not to intrust his story to these cheese eating weasel rats.

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I am not on the RNC Mailing list... so you will just have to keep yours.. just bend over while they are fitting it on your head.

For such a bunch of supposedly straight boys you sure do love seeing America take it up the ass.

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I am not on the RNC Mailing list... so you will just have to keep yours.. just bend over while they are fitting it on your head.

For such a bunch of supposedly straight boys you sure do love seeing America take it up the ass.

Ah the typical insults in the responce. I guess I am not surprised

As for the "America" you see??? Well it must be obvious to even you that we do not see the same America. I would hate to live in what you must "think" America is today.

You seem (to me anyway) to be totally blinded by your hatred for a party in control that you do not support. Well I got two things to suggest............................GET OVER IT and the left had power for over 40 years and they a terible job in my opinion so give the other side a chance.........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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GET OVER IT and the left had power for over 40 years and they a terible job in my opinion so give the other side a chance.........

SO the development of a police state is kewl with you guys...

And a deficit that is basically selling off our country to the Chinese...deficits that will have your great grandchildren paying off your experiment in NEO0CON economics.

That is what I see... you call yourselves NEO cons.... I just see yall as plain ole CONS.


And as far as insults... you guys need them because you are an insult to this country... for such patriotic Americans you certainly HATE what America is supposed to be about.l

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GET OVER IT and the left had power for over 40 years and they a terible job in my opinion so give the other side a chance.........

SO the development of a police state is kewl with you guys...

And a deficit that is basically selling off our country to the Chinese...deficits that will have your great grandchildren paying off your experiment in NEO0CON economics.

That is what I see... you call yourselves NEO cons.... I just see yall as plain ole CONS.


And as far as insults... you guys need them because you are an insult to this country... for such patriotic Americans you certainly HATE what America is supposed to be about.l

I am glad you got your reasons for the insults. It must be gratifying to know if you can't win a debate you can always use emotion and insults.

As for the police state? If you supported Clinton we were headed that way more than we are now.

OK, insult away, I know that is all you got

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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As for the police state? If you supported Clinton we were headed that way more than we are now.

They have medication for that you know.. delusions are such a horrible thing to live with.

Face it you do not want to hear ANYTHING that diverges from your world view.. you are right in step with the administration.... its called GROUP think......and that is all that will be tolerated in your little limited totalitarian world.

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As for the police state? If you supported Clinton we were headed that way more than we are now.

They have medication for that you know.. delusions are such a horrible thing to live with.

Face it you do not want to hear ANYTHING that diverges from your world view.. you are right in step with the administration.... its called GROUP think......and that is all that will be tolerated in your little limited totalitarian world.

Thanks, even though the facts are mounting in my corner, your explination helps me understant that you and only your have acess to the truth

But again you give proof supporting Rush Limbaughs statement that the left is funny when they are out of power..............

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Rush Limbaughs

No wonder you have such a skewed view of America....


DUDE.. he avoided the draft with a BOIL on his ass but he sits there on it showing his HAte daily for large segments of America.
(4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.])

How did you manage to avoid serving??

Come on... Recruiting goals are down. America needs you. you can go over and see the reality for yourself.

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Rush Limbaughs

No wonder you have such a skewed view of America....


DUDE.. he avoided the draft with a BOIL on his ass but he sits there on it showing his HAte daily for large segments of America.
(4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.])

How did you manage to avoid serving??

Come on... Recruiting goals are down. America needs you. you can go over and see the reality for yourself.

Lefties once again make sure that it is known that they do not listen to Limbaugh or know anything about him.

The draft ended 15 months before I would have been eligible. But I would have went. I leaned more toward your politcal views back then so I never even considered signing up. I know I should have in hind site.

Oh, and keep insulting others, you don't have to try and make up evidence you don't have.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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What I posted about LUSH Lamebrain.. is true.....its insulting to me that he is such a "patriot".. Hopped on drugs... what a good example of a True right wing american.

By the way.. alot of you Clinton haters out there like to point out that he did not serve.

Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.)

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What I posted about LUSH Lamebrain.. is true.....its insulting to me that he is such a "patriot".. Hopped on drugs... what a good example of a True right wing american.

By the way.. alot of you Clinton haters out there like to point out that he did not serve.

Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.)

insults and no evidence. oh, I could care less about Clintons serice......did you know that Kerry went to Vietmam?

Another favorite tactic. Hijack the thread.

We were talking about the deception of ABC I believe? the topic was SH, terrorism and WMds?

Oh, I forget, Bush lied

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Even so, what has ben discussed so far can be explained away as minions lying to SH because they wanted him to think Iraq had them.

That kind of thing wen on all the time according to Dr. Ala Bashir - Saddams doctor. People had good reason for bullshitting SH - many of them didn't get to give him bad news a second time.

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Jesus I can't believe I'm actually posting a serious post in this (or any forum).

Did SH want WMDs (and by this I'm talking nukes, not the lame-ass bio-chem shit he threw down on the Kurds)... I think it's a fair bet that he did. Hell who wouldn't? The Iranians want it now. Let's not kid ourselves.

That said, the focal point is whether SH HAD (or was close to having) WMD when we decided to invade Iraq. Everything... EVERYTHING we have seen demonstrates that he may have wanted it, but he was far, far away from having it.

If you want to base an invasion rationale on the intent and imminent ability to produce nuclear weapons, one country stands out... North Korea.

So.. um... where's the urgency to reign in NK? To the point of invasion? They ARE the more urgent threat, yet they remain intact. So someone explain the urgency of Iraq and the non-urgency of NK.

- Z
"Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

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Did SH want WMDs (and by this I'm talking nukes, not the lame-ass bio-chem shit he threw down on the Kurds)... I think it's a fair bet that he did. Hell who wouldn't? The Iranians want it now. Let's not kid ourselves.

If you do a web search Iraq, Dr. Gerald Bull, and supergun - there is a lot of info.

Bull was a ballistics expert who worked for the S. Affricans, Israelis, the CIA, Canada, and the French. Assassinated a few years ago.

The CIA wanted to launch satellites without using the shuttle. It never panned out and was cancelled. Good math though. Payload cost was $300 per lb, instead of $20K per lb using the shuttle. Very efficient for small loads and weapons.

The supergun was a 300ft barrel, 3ft in diameter. Staged ignition that would launch an object the size of a telephone booth into near-Earth orbit (70 miles or so). Too low for satellites, but good for dropping nukes all over the Middle East.

The Brits built the supergun tubes, but never shipped them.

The question became, "Why did you want a supergun built ?" If the only answer was flinging weapons around, then the next question is, "Where is the payload now ?"

Answer ? Probably ried in the desert. It is not in the best interests of the person who knows to divulge that info.

"Do you know where WMD are ?"
"Yes, here on the map."
"Ok, try this guy for war crimes and execute him."


(After Iraq returns to Iraqi control)
"Do you know where WMD are ?"
"Yes, here on the map."
"You are a hero of our country."

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Dems might try to minimize the importance of this by saying that it doesn't prove he had WMDs at the time of the invasion. The tapes might not disprove that exact point. From the ABC story:

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Charles Duelfer, who led the official U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction after the war, says the tapes show extensive deception but don't prove that weapons were still hidden in Iraq at the time of the U.S.-led war in 2003. "What they do is support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted."

I don't disagree with you. I just think at this point anything less than digging in the desert in Iraq and uncovering huge stockpiles of a nerve agent or bio weapons and proving they were there before the invasion, won't change public or world opinion.

It is very hard to get a murder conviction without a body.
Is it that unreasonable to require them to be found before believing that he actually had them or are we just supposed to believe without question? Perhaps our "leaders" would rather we just shut up and did not question what they do.

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Oh, I forget, Bush lied

At least you realize it.. but will follow him no matter what.

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Jesus I can't believe I'm actually posting a serious post in this (or any forum).

Did SH want WMDs (and by this I'm talking nukes, not the lame-ass bio-chem shit he threw down on the Kurds)... I think it's a fair bet that he did. Hell who wouldn't? The Iranians want it now. Let's not kid ourselves.

That said, the focal point is whether SH HAD (or was close to having) WMD when we decided to invade Iraq. Everything... EVERYTHING we have seen demonstrates that he may have wanted it, but he was far, far away from having it.

If you want to base an invasion rationale on the intent and imminent ability to produce nuclear weapons, one country stands out... North Korea.

So.. um... where's the urgency to reign in NK? To the point of invasion? They ARE the more urgent threat, yet they remain intact. So someone explain the urgency of Iraq and the non-urgency of NK.

If BIO/CHEM is lame then try inhaling some or getting it on your skin ....you would wish you were nuked instead

[billvon 3,072]

News flash - a uranium enrichment program is not a weapon of mass destruction. It's not even the progenitor of one. There are a great many uranium enrichment programs throughout the world, and the great majority of them do not produce weapons-grade material.

But keep trying! I'm sure there are a few people who still believe that Saddam had WMD's; they're probably already looking forward to the next defense of the war. Here's one for next week:

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NEWSMAX NEWS FLASH
SADDAM HAD FORBIDDEN WEAPONS

Incontrivertible evidence has been uncovered that Saddam had prohibitied weapons materials, investigators working under Dick Cheney have discovered. The materials, found in a dual-use facility outside Baghdad, show clear violations of the terms of the disarmament treaty signed by Hussein after the first Gulf War.

The material, a petroleum based product, is used to make ANFO, a prohibited explosive when used in quantities over several tons. Inspectors claim it was cleverly disguised by the sign "Diesel Fuel" on the pump, but several tankers of the material were found on roads nearby.

"This material could be used to manufacture explosives that would make the Oklahoma City bombing look like a firecracker," a Cheney representative said yesterday. "Do we really want an evil dictator free to blow up US buildings?"

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News flash - a uranium enrichment program is not a weapon of mass destruction. It's not even the progenitor of one. There are a great many uranium enrichment programs throughout the world, and the great majority of them do not produce weapons-grade material.

But keep trying! I'm sure there are a few people who still believe that Saddam had WMD's; they're probably already looking forward to the next defense of the war. Here's one for next week:

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NEWSMAX NEWS FLASH
SADDAM HAD FORBIDDEN WEAPONS

Incontrivertible evidence has been uncovered that Saddam had prohibitied weapons materials, investigators working under Dick Cheney have discovered. The materials, found in a dual-use facility outside Baghdad, show clear violations of the terms of the disarmament treaty signed by Hussein after the first Gulf War.

The material, a petroleum based product, is used to make ANFO, a prohibited explosive when used in quantities over several tons. Inspectors claim it was cleverly disguised by the sign "Diesel Fuel" on the pump, but several tankers of the material were found on roads nearby.

"This material could be used to manufacture explosives that would make the Oklahoma City bombing look like a firecracker," a Cheney representative said yesterday. "Do we really want an evil dictator free to blow up US buildings?"

WELCOME Back Bill!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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News flash - a uranium enrichment program is not a weapon of mass destruction. It's not even the progenitor of one. There are a great many uranium enrichment programs throughout the world, and the great majority of them do not produce weapons-grade material.

But keep trying! I'm sure there are a few people who still believe that Saddam had WMD's; they're probably already looking forward to the next defense of the war. Here's one for next week:

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NEWSMAX NEWS FLASH
SADDAM HAD FORBIDDEN WEAPONS

Incontrivertible evidence has been uncovered that Saddam had prohibitied weapons materials, investigators working under Dick Cheney have discovered. The materials, found in a dual-use facility outside Baghdad, show clear violations of the terms of the disarmament treaty signed by Hussein after the first Gulf War.

The material, a petroleum based product, is used to make ANFO, a prohibited explosive when used in quantities over several tons. Inspectors claim it was cleverly disguised by the sign "Diesel Fuel" on the pump, but several tankers of the material were found on roads nearby.

"This material could be used to manufacture explosives that would make the Oklahoma City bombing look like a firecracker," a Cheney representative said yesterday. "Do we really want an evil dictator free to blow up US buildings?"

No........actually, this is for this week.

Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMD
Kenneth R. Timmerman
Sunday, Feb. 19, 2006
A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles to prevent the United States from discovering them.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John. A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org)

"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.

Shaw has dealt with weapons-related issues and export controls as a U.S. government official for 30 years, and was serving as deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security when the events he described today occurred.

He called the evacuation of Saddam's WMD stockpiles "a well-orchestrated campaign using two neighboring client states with which the Russian leadership had a long time security relationship."


Shaw was initially tapped to make an inventory of Saddam's conventional weapons stockpiles, based on intelligence estimates of arms deals he had concluded with the former Soviet Union, China and France.

He estimated that Saddam had amassed 100 million tons of munitions –- roughly 60 percent of the entire U.S. arsenal. "The origins of these weapons were Russian, Chinese and French in declining order of magnitude, with the Russians holding the lion's share and the Chinese just edging out the French for second place."

But as Shaw's office increasingly got involved in ongoing intelligence to identify Iraqi weapons programs before the war, he also got "a flow of information from British contacts on the ground at the Syrian border and from London" via non-U.S. government contacts.

"The intelligence included multiple sitings of truck convoys, convoys going north to the Syrian border and returning empty," he said.

Shaw worked closely with Julian Walker, a former British ambassador who had decades of experience in Iraq, and an unnamed Ukranian-American who was directly plugged in to the head of Ukraine's intelligence service.


The Ukrainians were eager to provide the United States with documents from their own archives on Soviet arms transfers to Iraq and on ongoing Russian assistance to Saddam, to thank America for its help in securing Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union, Shaw said.

In addition to the convoys heading to Syria, Shaw said his contacts "provided information about steel drums with painted warnings that had been moved to a cellar of a hospital in Beirut."

But when Shaw passed on his information to the Defense Intelligence Agency and others within the U.S. intelligence community, he was stunned by their response.

"My report on the convoys was brushed off as ‘Israeli disinformation,'" he said.

One month later, Shaw learned that the DIA general counsel complained to his own superiors that Shaw had eaten from the DIA "rice bowl." It was a Washington euphemism that meant he had commited the unpardonable sin of violating another agency's turf.

The CIA responded in even more diabolical fashion. "They trashed one of my Brits and tried to declare him persona non grata to the intelligence community," Shaw said. "We got constant indicators that Langley was aggressively trying to discredit both my Ukranian American and me in Kiev," in addition to his other sources.

But Shaw's information had not originated from a casual contact. His Ukranian-American aid was a personal friend of David Nicholas, a Western ambassador in Kiev, and of Igor Smesko, head of Ukrainian intelligence.

Smesko had been a military attaché in Washington in the early 1990s when Ukraine first became independent and Dick Cheney was secretary of defense. "Smesko had told Cheney that when Ukraine became free of Russia he wanted to show his friendship for the United States."

Helping out on Iraq provided him with that occasion.

"Smesko had gotten to know Gen. James Clapper, now director of the Geospacial Intelligence Agency, but then head of DIA," Shaw said.

But it was Shaw's own friendship to the head of Britain's MI6 that brought it all together during a two-day meeting in London that included Smeshko's people, the MI6 contingent, and Clapper, who had been deputized by George Tenet to help work the issue of what happened to Iraq's WMD stockpiles.

In the end, here is what Shaw learned:


In December 2002, former Russian intelligence chief Yevgeni Primakov, a KGB general with long-standing ties to Saddam, came to Iraq and stayed until just before the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003;

Primakov supervised the execution of long-standing secret agreements, signed between Iraqi intelligence and the Russian GRU (military intelligence), that provided for clean-up operations to be conducted by Russian and Iraqi military personnel to remove WMDs, production materials and technical documentation from Iraq, so the regime could announce that Iraq was "WMD free."

Shaw said that this type GRU operation, known as "Sarandar," or "emergency exit," has long been familiar to U.S. intelligence officials from Soviet-bloc defectors as standard GRU practice;

In addition to the truck convoys, which carried Iraqi WMD to Syria and Lebanon in February and March 2003 "two Russian ships set sail from the (Iraqi) port of Umm Qasr headed for the Indian Ocean," where Shaw believes they "deep-sixed" additional stockpiles of Iraqi WMD from flooded bunkers in southern Iraq that were later discovered by U.S. military intelligence personnel;

The Russian "clean-up" operation was entrusted to a combination of GRU and Spetsnaz troops and Russian military and civilian personnel in Iraq "under the command of two experienced ex-Soviet generals, Colonel-General Vladislav Achatov and Colonel-General Igor Maltsev, both retired and psing as civilian commercial consultants."

Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz reported on Oct. 30, 2004, that Achatov and Maltsev had been photographed receiving medals from Iraqi Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmed in a Baghdad building bombed by U.S. cruise missiles during the first U.S. air raids in early March 2003.

Shaw says he leaked the information about the two Russian generals and the clean-up operation to Gertz in October 2004 in an effort to "push back" against claims by Democrats that were orchestrated with CBS News to embarrass President Bush just one week before the November 2004 presidential election. The press sprang bogus claims that 377 tons of high explosives of use to Iraq's nuclear weapons program had "gone missing" after the U.S.-led liberation of Iraq, while ignoring intelligence of the Russian-orchestrated evacuation of Iraqi WMDs;

The two Russian generals "had visited Baghdad no fewer than 20 times in the preceding five to six years," Shaw revealed. U.S. intelligence knew "the identity and strength of the various Spetsnaz units, their dates of entry and exit in Iraq, and the fact that the effort (to clean up Iraq's WMD stockpiles) with a planning conference in Baku from which they flew to Baghdad."

The Baku conference, chaired by Russian Minister of Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu, "laid out the plans for the Sarandar clean-up effort so that Shoigu could leave after the keynote speech for Baghdad to orchestrate the planning for the disposal of the WMD."

Subsequent intelligence reports showed that Russian Spetsnaz operatives "were now changing to civilian clothes from military/GRU garb," Shaw said. "The Russian denial of my revelations in late October 2004 included the statement that "only Russian civilians remained in Baghdad." That was the "only true statement" the Russians made, Shaw ironized.
The evacuation of Saddam's WMD to Syria and Lebanon "was an entirely controlled Russian GRU operation," Shaw said. "It was the brainchild of General Yevgenuy Primakov."

The goal of the clean-up was "to erase all trace of Russian involvement" in Saddam's WMD programs, and "was a masterpiece of military camouflage and deception."

Just as astonishing as the Russian clean-up operation were efforts by Bush administration appointees, including Defense Department spokesman Laurence DiRita, to smear Shaw and to cover up the intelligence information he brought to light.

"Larry DiRita made sure that this story would never grow legs," Shaw said. "He whispered sotto voce to journalists that there was no substance to my information and that it was the product of an unbalanced mind."

Shaw suggested that the answer of why the Bush administration had systematically "ignored Russia's involvement" in evacuating Saddam's WMD stockpiles "could be much bigger than anyone has thought," but declined to speculate what exactly was involved.

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was less reticent. He thought the reason was Iran.

"With Iran moving faster than anyone thought in its nuclear programs," he told NewsMax, "the administration needed the Russians, the Chinese and the French, and was not interested in information that would make them look bad."

McInerney agreed that there was "clear evidence" that Saddam had WMD. "Jack Shaw showed when it left Iraq, and how."

Former Undersecretary of Defense Richard Perle, a strong supporter of the war against Saddam, blasted the CIA for orchestrating a smear campaign against the Bush White House and the war in Iraq.

"The CIA has been at war with the Bush administration almost from the beginning," he said in a keynote speech at the Intelligence Summit on Saturday.

He singled out recent comments by Paul Pillar, a former top CIA Middle East analyst, alleging that the Bush White House "cherry-picked" intelligence to make the case for war in Iraq.

"Mr. Pillar was in a very senior position and was able to make his views known, if that is indeed what he believed," Perle said.

"He (Pillar) briefed senior policy officials before the start of the Iraq war in 2003. If he had had reservations about the war, he could have voiced them at that time." But according to officials briefed by Pillar, Perle said, he never did.

Even more inexplicable, Perle said, were the millions of documents "that remain untranslated" among those seized from Saddam Hussein's intelligence services.

"I think the intelligence community does not want them to be exploited," he said.

Among those documents, presented Saturday at the conference by former FBI translator Bill Tierney, were transcripts of Saddam's palace conversations with top aides in which he discussed ongoing nuclear weapons plans in 2000, well after the U.N. arms inspectors believed he had ceased all nuclear weapons work.

"What was most disturbing in those tapes," Tierney said, "was the fact that the individuals briefing Saddam were totally unknown to the U.N. Special Commission."

In addition, Tierney said, the plasma uranium programs Saddam discussed with his aids as ongoing operations in 2000 had been dismissed as "old programs" disbanded years earlier, according to the final CIA report on Iraq's weapons programs, presented in 2004 by the Iraq Survey Group.

"When I first heard those tapes" about the uranium plasma program, "it completely floored me," Tierney said.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,072]

>He called the evacuation of Saddam's WMD stockpiles . . .

So now you're arguing that he DID comply with the terms of the UN deal, and that makes him guilty? Methinks you've scraped through the bottom of the barrel and are now just digging a hole.