Why is there a need for a "gay day" for skydiving? Or any other kind of "day"?

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Yeah, but don't piss in their mouths if their teeth are on fire

Stop that!

I don't want to laugh today. I want to be serious.



Now where's my little George...

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>Now where's my little George...

Oh, is that what you're calling it now?

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Bullshit. It is just a DAY, period. It's not a specific "day" until it is labelled as such. This "gay day" should have been shot down as fast as a "Boogie for Christ" would be at most dz's. Then we would have true equality.

I'm surprised at your argument, Chris. I remember, not too long ago, defending women's events at nationals with you on dropzone.com. It's not about equality. It's about encouraging groups to embrace their common traits. I don't see you bashing Chicks Rock for the same reasons. That boogie accomplishes the same thing: it encourages women to get empowered and to jump with eachother.

That said, I'm still available for hugs whenever we're in the same vicinity.
Brie

"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie

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Yeah I know. And I already stated that it was a poor statement for my argument. I made my point a little clearer a couple posts later.

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ooh, I see it now.

Can I still have my hug?

(((((((:D)))))))))

There's a hug!

Brie

"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie

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Yes, of course! But it is the real hug I am dying for!
Sometimes I get in a mood and start posting even though my better judgement is saying not to. I am never coming back in SC again! I hate it here!

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Bullshit. It is just a DAY, period. It's not a specific "day" until it is labelled as such. This "gay day" should have been shot down as fast as a "Boogie for Christ" would be at most dz's. Then we would have true equality.

I'm surprised at your argument, Chris. I remember, not too long ago, defending women's events at nationals with you on dropzone.com.

Rights are a different subject.

No one can claim that gays are denied the right to skydive, and so must descend (heehee) on a dropzone en masse in order to assert their rights. This is not the same as being told you are not allowed to vote (which was a women's rights issue but as far as I know was never a gay rights issue), or not allowed to hold certain employment. Gays and women both are protected against having those rights denied to them, as are we all.

What gays are not entitled to is to have everybody like them and accept their homosexuality. Or do you want people forced to do those things?

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-Jeffrey
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No one can claim that gays are denied the right to skydive, and so must descend (heehee) on a dropzone en masse in order to assert their rights.

Ummm.... the dropzone was involved from the beginning and supported the idea.

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What gays are not entitled to is to have everybody like them and accept their homosexuality. Or do you want people forced to do those things?

Same thing goes for women (Chicks Rock, JFTC), old people (POPS, SOS, JOE), freefliers, belly-fliers, and even accuracy folks (Lou Sanborn boogie).

Why do you think that homosexuals should be singled out in NOT being tolerated for having a boogie?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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No one can claim that gays are denied the right to skydive, and so must descend (heehee) on a dropzone en masse in order to assert their rights.

Ummm.... the dropzone was involved from the beginning and supported the idea.

All the more reason why gay people don't actually need to "bring out the gay" to the DZ to make sure they are accepted. As you say, they are evidently quite well accepted.

I thought people were saying that this was a good idea because gay people aren't able to feel comfortable flirting on the 364 other "straight" days at the dropzone...

(Naturally, I don't agree that there is anything "straight" about the other days at the DZ; but to hear people tell it, gays are SOL for being welcome unless they make a special event just for them -- to which everyone who might normally show up is just as welcome to be there anyway, like on any other day.)


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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Jeffrey

This Boogie started out from a small Yahoo Newsgroup of gay and lesbian skydivers when several members proposed a little skydiving get together.

It was proposed to maybe hold this boogie in conjunction with the 2006 World Gay Games Olympic style sporting event.

The 2006 games were originally planned for Montreal. A squabble took place among the Gay Games organization and some of the group split off and formed the World Out Games in Montreal and the original World Federation Of Gay Games will hold their event in Chicago. Over 10,000 athletes are registered for the Montreal games and maybe a little over half that for Chicago's event.

From what I understand, Nouvel Air (The DZ in Montreal) was going to have a tandem jumping concession set up during this sports event.
Nouvel Air is also going to have a Super-Otter for the summer.

The group put out a poll to see where the group wanted to get together for a boogie weekend.
Canadian jumper Mark Rejohn proposed that the group come up to Canada and jump the weekend of this sporting event and took the bull by the horns and put a little organization into a small friendly get-together that seems to be growing into a much larger event.

Chris

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Hey Bill

What about a Pink Floyd Dark Side Of the Moon Shirt with the rainbow prism on it?

Rainbow Canopies were a thing in Skydiving way before some gay flag symbol.

Heck, I have a Stiletto that is a mixture of BBY/MAG/JAD/WAT/LEM and LGR with LEM ribs that one of the lesbian skydivers called a fruit salad.

It's colorful and sure beats some of the boring colors I've seen at boogies in Rantoul/Quincy etc.

Chris

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Not everyone believes the same way you do. Yes, the rainbow has been "co-opted." Of course, the swastika as been ruined, and the cross has a rather limited set of meanings.

I can't even put a little chrome outline of a fish on my car without people "knowing" what it means. It could just mean I like to fish.

WTF should the homosexual population not get to stomp all over some image just like everyone else?

As a by-the-by, I'm not a homosexual; I'm happily involved in a monogamous relationship, and I have a son who loves me. I just think it sucks that's it's OK to make fudge-packer jokes around the dz, and not breeder jokes.

Yes, every day at the DZ is a straight-white-male day. All it takes is not being a straight white male for it to be pretty frikkin' obvious. I don't think that the conversation at baby showers specifically excludes men, but I find damn few of them there -- maybe that's somewhere that women rule.

Wendy W.


Well said Wendy.

Chris

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"That's about the only offered reason so far that I think seems pretty legit. Thanks.

But I am still wondering how those tentative skydivers would ever even know about a gay boogie. They're not already on the "inside" of skydiving, and they're very unlikely to be reading SC on Dropzone.com, so how would the word reach them? ...Gaydar"

The Boogie is taking place during the World Out Games a major olympic type sports event.

Chris

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"But there would be no point to having a GAY GUN SHOW, would there"

What about the Pink Pistols?


Chris

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But I am still wondering how those tentative skydivers would ever even know about a gay boogie. They're not already on the "inside" of skydiving, and they're very unlikely to be reading SC on Dropzone.com, so how would the word reach them? ...Gaydar?

Its also listed in:

Bonfire (http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2087183)

and in

Events (http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2087163#2087163)

"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy

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All the more reason why gay people don't actually need to "bring out the gay" to the DZ to make sure they are accepted

I was going to call "BULLSHIT" on your post but I couldn't make enough sense of what you said to justify it.

So I'll just call "nonsense, "antagonistic", and "stirring shit for the sake of a lost cause." How's that?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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"But there would be no point to having a GAY GUN SHOW, would there"

What about the Pink Pistols?


Chris

Well, answer your own question. DO they hold "gay gun shows"? Or are they just a group that advocates that gays, for their own protection, ought to empower themselves so that when true violent bigots attack them, they are not defenseless?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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All the more reason why gay people don't actually need to "bring out the gay" to the DZ to make sure they are accepted

I was going to call "BULLSHIT" on your post but I couldn't make enough sense of what you said to justify it.

So I'll just call "nonsense, "antagonistic", and "stirring shit for the sake of a lost cause." How's that?

Whatever, dude. Like I care what you think about what I think.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Whatever, dude.

Another quality PJ response. Keep this up and soon I'll be forced to concede intellectual defeat!

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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Whatever, dude.

Another quality PJ response. Keep this up and soon I'll be forced to concede intellectual defeat!

Oh, I accepted your tacit surrender long ago.
Didn't have to be stated; it was implied.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Well there we go, I have to say that just the fact that this "Gay Day" issue has already spoken for it self, why GAY DAY boogie, why a boggie for gay people? Well to me this is very simple, and Jeffrey, how peaceful you are Im not sure, but there is a big need for a gay boogie.

I have been in this sport for 5 years and been to many dropzones in europe and America, and very rearly you find gay men or women, one of the biggest reasons is because this sport is very straight and even if most skydivers are open minded people, they still have their limitations when it comes to more detailed differences such as homosexiuality. and even if this sport is pretty straight it doesn't mean that tere are no gay people in it. I have heard many times my self, that I am okey as a gay man because I don't act gay, or I don't look gay, or because people never see me with another man, Im not in peoples faces with me sexiuality, those are the responds I get, and you know what, I don't find too much of a support from my fellow skydiver if I can not be who I want in front of them,.
To be honest, we need a gay boogie to bring up the subject, there are so many people on dropzones, and then mostly men as far as I know that have a real issue of being true about their sexiuality on dropzoens because of fear of rejection, most women have it easier since most men love seeing 2 women together, making out is a bonus. most predjudice is coming from men towards men, I bealive if we bring up the subject more, keep talking about it and getting people together like that, we make it much easier for our fellow gay, bisexual, skydiers that want in most cases to be out on dropzones. America unfortunetaly is couple of steps behind Europe in those matters (Gay rights ingeneral) but I think it is time for a change and for us in the gay community also to meet each other instead of chatting to each other on rainbow skydiver on yahoo groups, most of us dont know who each other are even if we meet on dropzones

I really think this is a great thing to have a gayday boogie, and it is not limited for gay people, everyone is welcome, as long if you are aware of that people might look gay or act gay, and who knows, you might see 2 girls or 2 guys make out under any sircumstances and that should be completely ok

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we are all skydivers... plain and simple

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ya know, i don't have the time or the energy to read this whole freakin thread, but let me just say this...

The title of this thread is all wrong... is there a NEED for a Gay Boogie? No, just as there is no need for any other boogie. There are very few real needs.

There is a WANT for a Gay Boogie and that is all that matters.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

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ya know, i don't have the time or the energy to read this whole freakin thread, but let me just say this...

The title of this thread is all wrong... is there a NEED for a Gay Boogie? No, just as there is no need for any other boogie. There are very few real needs.

There is a WANT for a Gay Boogie and that is all that matters.

You didn't need to read all the threads. Your last sentence basically said what most of us who responded said (over and over and over again...)

You should read it, though. There's some funny shit.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke