narcimund 0 #451 February 27, 2006 QuoteSince it seems to bother you when certain people disagree with you, I will reply to this using something that someone else wrote. I can picture you waiting impatiently just like a kid waiting for Christmas to post this First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #452 February 27, 2006 Quote She has gone with me twice to the dropzone, but was a bit self-conscious. That's an issue for her and me to deal with. She also has a medical condition with her ears that may prevent her, unfortunately, from ever skydiving. So she went to hang out with you. She went for a reason other than to skydive. But these gay people can't do the same thing, go to a boogie to hang out with other gay people, instead of just to skydive? QuoteA Chute-n-Shoot? I'd love it. But that is not the same thing as a boogie based on sexual orientation, race, gender -- the things that we're told we are not supposed to factor into who we like or associate with or hire or whatever. Sure it'd be the same thing. The people who go to a chute-n-shoot have a common interest in something other than skydiving, in that case shooting. The people going to this rainbow boogie also have a common interest other than skydiving, in this case, non-heterosexual preferences. It doesn't have to be just about the skydiving. Sometimes a group of us skydivers go snowboarding together. Sometimes I go to a bar with people on my softball team. Those aren't exclusionary practices, they're just social events for people with common interests. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #453 February 27, 2006 QuoteI'm still wondering what your opinion is of the POPS, Chicks Rock, or JFTC. It really would help to clarify my answer. If you are against all of them, it's consistent, and easy simply to disagree with and leave it alone. When I have more time. I'm running to get ready for work. QuoteBut, well, we had the thread well hijacked; a lot of opinions were read and talked about. I don't think it was heading back on topic until you brought it there. Are you saying that the thread hijacking is a good thing? My own opinion is that if you want the thread hijacked so that it no longer discusses the subject of the thread, what you really ought to do is just stop posting to the thread. Even I would stop posting once I had addressed whatever remaining posts I had an interest in replying to, if no one was continuing to post in the thread. QuoteThe opionions were standing. What are you looking for from the thread? A groundswell of agreement? It doesn't look like it's coming. The irony is that over 50% of the poll replies said that they don't like to see skydiving divided along those lines. We won't know who responded that way -- and maybe a bunch of them demured from posting replies because they feared being smeared the way I was -- as intolerant, or belligerent, or pig-headed, or just stupid. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #454 February 27, 2006 QuoteThe irony is that over 50% of the poll replies said that they don't like to see skydiving divided along those lines. We won't know who responded that way -- and maybe a bunch of them demured from posting replies because they feared being smeared the way I was -- as intolerant, or belligerent, or pig-headed, or just stupid.The poll was, um, heavy on connotation. I'm not for people separating themselves out in divisive ways. But it's not hard to notice that not all of them look like me, think like me, or fuck like me. Those are facts. And sometimes it's fun to get together. Not divisive. So the basic premise that a gay boogie is divisive is what I'm disagreeing with. I could easily agree that skydiving should not be divided. But already there are freefly-heavy DZs and RW-heavy DZs, and DZs that are all about teams with few fun jumpers. That's probably more divisive than the occasional boogie. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #455 February 27, 2006 QuoteThe irony is that over 50% of the poll replies said that they don't like to see skydiving divided along those lines. Or MUCH more likely, your skewed phrasing of the poll questions asked a different question than the discussion was about. Hell! If I wasn't too offended by your leading phrasing to even participate, I would have chosen the "Don't Divide" option as well. Except I knew you'd intentionally misinterpret that to mean that I thought the boogie is a Terrible Evil. Oh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #456 February 27, 2006 The guy who wrote that is a big, doofy jerkhead! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #457 February 27, 2006 QuoteOh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me. Nice. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #458 February 27, 2006 It has indeed been amusing to watch the wagons circle around someone who calls himself "peaceful." Not to say I blame the wagon circles, quite the opposite really. It has also been amusing to see PJ systematically piss off and alienate just about everyone here... ... probably won't be much longer now, I reckon... I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #459 February 27, 2006 QuoteWhen I have more time. I'm running to get ready for work. This SO MUCH reminds me of the latest gay marriage thread where MC208B kept running his mouth off about all the (mythical) special rights homosexuals have but conveniently kept not having time to give even a single example... Edited to add: Finally, after being asked a dozen times for an example MC208B got mad at me for asking. In reality, I think he was mad at himself for being so transparent. I expect "Peaceful" Jeffrey will soon do the same. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skysquiffy 0 #460 February 27, 2006 You know, I haven't jumped in about a year, for reasons that are irrelevant to this thread. I still go to the DZ every weekend. I guess I shouldn't be there 'cause skydiving isn't my current priority. Silly me, I'll sell my trailer, and leave with my head bowed in shame. Oh, and I don't go there to "find my next screw". If that was my intent, there are a hell of a lot easier ways than driving 180 miles round trip. You've asked "why?" and people have responded. Now you have a multitude of answers, phrased in a variety of ways, why do you keep asking and poking? Oh, and the slavery aanalogy was totally misguided. Why not bring up the holocaust and other atrocities, then accuse people of missing the point when they question that judgment. No one missed the point, they just found it distasteful. Far more so than a gay boogie is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDaemon 0 #461 February 28, 2006 If I recruit two more I get a toaster, I'll split it with you. Looking forward to seeing you again. -=Raistlinfind / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDaemon 0 #462 February 28, 2006 Rhonda, I'll buy the first round, when we first meet :-) It'll be amazing to finally get to meet you :-) -=Raistlinfind / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDaemon 0 #463 February 28, 2006 QuoteI was not the person making an issue out of it Correct me if I'm wrong, but you started this thread. QuoteThe fact is I don't give a shit whether you're gonna fuck your girlfriend, boyfriend or goat after you leave the DZ. Given your use slanderous comments towards gays, I highly doubt you're just as happy to jump homosexuals as heterosexuals... if you are, feel free to come to the boogie. QuoteDo YOU have information to countermand that statement? I have first hand experience. Fortunately I found out who my true friends are, and fortunately for me, it was the DZO :-) -=Raistlinfind / -name jumpers -print; cat jumpers $USER > manifest; cd /dev/airplane; more altitude; make jump; cd /pub; more beer; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #464 February 28, 2006 QuoteBut there would be no point to having a GAY GUN SHOW, would there? - I think there would be Pink Pistols __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dolph 0 #465 February 28, 2006 Quote It has also been amusing to see PJ systematically piss off and alienate just about everyone here... ... probably won't be much longer now, I reckon... Well he did alienate me at first with his strong views and rather blunt delivery. Then I started to do a little thinking. The man behind the keyboard is, I think, a lot different from the man in person. The medium used for communication (and of course other variables) have a great deal to say in how things are communicated. Nowadays I see through the abrasiveness - or rater see it as an advantage. What Jeffrey essentially is doing is runtime-typing with no filter. I doubt he is the only one thinking this way; most people just compile their crap first, run it through a filter or two and then see if the "Post Reply" button pops up. And it's arguing as much for the sake of arguing as it is for the sake of "discussion". Which is fine. At least every little aspect is made clear. Drinking beer and talking shit with PJ at some boogie is probably a vastly different thing than talking about gay boogies on some bulletin board. So even though his posts occasionally put me in "dude WTF?" mode, some of them bring up interesting things. I initially thought this boogie was about "getting respect and recognition" from gays and I was proven wrong. And that's a good thing. In this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #466 February 28, 2006 QuoteGiven your use slanderous comments towards gays, I highly doubt you're just as happy to jump homosexuals as heterosexuals... if you are, feel free to come to the boogie. Get a clue, dude. Do you think I'm going to keep insisting and insisting and insisting that I am completely friendly to gay people until you believe me? I couldn't give half a shit whether you do or not. I know what is true of myself. I didn't make "slanderous comments toward gays." What did I say that is outright "anti-gay," anyway? Did I call them offensive names? Did I say they should be relegated to second-class citizenship? Did I say I wish they were all eliminated? Did I say I wouldn't want to be on a plane with them? WTF, man? And anyway, if I wrote it, it would be LIBEL, not "slander." --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #467 February 28, 2006 QuoteOh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me. "You... you... you... always... always... always..." I could swear it wasn't long ago that someone said such comments generally constituted personal attacks and they should be avoided... I guess it depends on who's doing it, and how much favor they curry. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #468 February 28, 2006 QuoteI expect "Peaceful" Jeffrey will soon do the same. Also used to be that continually mocking someone's username was considered abusive and insulting and wasn't tolerated either. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #469 February 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteI was not the person making an issue out of it Correct me if I'm wrong, but you started this thread. The entire quote, which you selectively dissected, was, "I was not the person making an issue out of it. I was questioning why others think it is a big enough issue to make a sexual-orientation-related-special-event day at a skydiving dropzone. Remember?" Why clip it where you did, except that the rest of it made clear that my quote actually didn't support your line of attack? The fact remains, I was asking why people felt a gay boogie was justified because I myself do not -- no more so than a white-guy boogie would be. (Notwithstanding all the bullshit about how "white guys" get all the good stuff all year long as a privileged class and so don't "need" a boogie for white guys.) I was not making attacks on gay people, and I was asking why people had to make a big thing out of sexual orientation instead of just having it be part of who a person is, like anything else about them. QuoteGiven your use slanderous comments towards gays, I highly doubt you're just as happy to jump homosexuals as heterosexuals... if you are, feel free to come to the boogie. Oh, the only way that I could prove it to you would be to go out of state to the boogie? Sorry, no can do. Besides, why would I go to something I don't really like the idea of (in principle), just to prove to a bunch of people who clearly don't like me much that I'm not bigoted against gay people? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #470 February 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteBut there would be no point to having a GAY GUN SHOW, would there? - I think there would be Pink Pistols Isn't this the second time someone raised the idea of the Pink Pistols as a specious and cynical attempt to confuse the issue between an advocacy group and a "gay gun show"? Can you not mentally separate the two? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #471 February 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen I have more time. I'm running to get ready for work. This SO MUCH reminds me of the latest gay marriage thread where MC208B kept running his mouth off about all the (mythical) special rights homosexuals have but conveniently kept not having time to give even a single example... Edited to add: Finally, after being asked a dozen times for an example MC208B got mad at me for asking. In reality, I think he was mad at himself for being so transparent. I expect "Peaceful" Jeffrey will soon do the same. That was a different thread. Why did you bring that up here? I did list a few and you and your partner being Oregon queers know all about that stuff. No personal attack, you call yourselves queers in Oregon (or did). Think it's mahu's here. You didn't answer my question if you and your bud got married in that sham bullshit in Multnomah county either did ya? Since you're such an eagle eye, did you notice that I asked PJ what the big deal is about a gay boogie. How about you stick to the topic of a given post dork? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #472 February 28, 2006 QuoteAlso used to be that continually mocking someone's username was considered abusive and insulting and wasn't tolerated either. In that case you should have been banned a long time ago, cause you constantly mock your own username Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #473 February 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteOh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me. "You... you... you... always... always... always..." And yet -- by ignoring all the answers to your original question AGAIN -- you prove me right. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #474 February 28, 2006 QuoteThat was a different thread. Why did you bring that up here? I did list a few and you and your partner being Oregon queers know all about that stuff. I remembered it because it's identical debate-avoidance from the "anti" side in a similar thread. The technique is: "Make a big, scary unsubstantiated claim then under NO circumstances let anyone back you into a corner to substantiate it." I could have found 10 other examples but yours was the most obvious and recent. It's a clever (albeit slimy) technique. The other side can't debate the issues if you won't bring any to the table. And by the way, you STILL haven't listed any of the mythical special rights. You just keep repeating that there are lots of them everywhere. Oooo. Scary Special Rights are hiding under every bed and behind every bush just waiting to GET YOU! Come to think of it, maybe I should try this technique. it looks like you guys are having fun with it. QuoteYou didn't answer my question if you and your bud got married in that sham bullshit in Multnomah county either did ya? Oh come on now! I asked you a question REPEATEDLY then out of the blue you belligerently changed the topic by asking me a very personal question about my "bud" and "sham bullshit marriage." (Wow. Talk about gratuitously NASTY phrasing!) Would you flatter someone with satisfaction in that power-grabbing situation? QuoteSince you're such an eagle eye, did you notice that I asked PJ what the big deal is about a gay boogie. "Eagle eye"? Where did that come from??? Anyway, I did notice. Very sweet of you. Somebody give the man a gold star. QuoteHow about you stick to the topic of a given post dork? "Dork"? Was I really just called a "dork" -- by an adult? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #475 February 28, 2006 QuoteIsn't this the second time someone raised the idea of the Pink Pistols as a specious and cynical attempt to confuse the issue between an advocacy group and a "gay gun show"? Can you not mentally separate the two? Try knowledge instead of ignorance sometime. Pink Pistols is gay people who go shooting together. Gay boogie is gay people who go chuting together. Looks like we have a match! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 Next Page 19 of 23 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
narcimund 0 #473 February 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteOh wait. I'm wasting my time here. I forgot you ALWAYS ignore posts that actually ANSWER your questions. Silly me. "You... you... you... always... always... always..." And yet -- by ignoring all the answers to your original question AGAIN -- you prove me right. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #474 February 28, 2006 QuoteThat was a different thread. Why did you bring that up here? I did list a few and you and your partner being Oregon queers know all about that stuff. I remembered it because it's identical debate-avoidance from the "anti" side in a similar thread. The technique is: "Make a big, scary unsubstantiated claim then under NO circumstances let anyone back you into a corner to substantiate it." I could have found 10 other examples but yours was the most obvious and recent. It's a clever (albeit slimy) technique. The other side can't debate the issues if you won't bring any to the table. And by the way, you STILL haven't listed any of the mythical special rights. You just keep repeating that there are lots of them everywhere. Oooo. Scary Special Rights are hiding under every bed and behind every bush just waiting to GET YOU! Come to think of it, maybe I should try this technique. it looks like you guys are having fun with it. QuoteYou didn't answer my question if you and your bud got married in that sham bullshit in Multnomah county either did ya? Oh come on now! I asked you a question REPEATEDLY then out of the blue you belligerently changed the topic by asking me a very personal question about my "bud" and "sham bullshit marriage." (Wow. Talk about gratuitously NASTY phrasing!) Would you flatter someone with satisfaction in that power-grabbing situation? QuoteSince you're such an eagle eye, did you notice that I asked PJ what the big deal is about a gay boogie. "Eagle eye"? Where did that come from??? Anyway, I did notice. Very sweet of you. Somebody give the man a gold star. QuoteHow about you stick to the topic of a given post dork? "Dork"? Was I really just called a "dork" -- by an adult? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #475 February 28, 2006 QuoteIsn't this the second time someone raised the idea of the Pink Pistols as a specious and cynical attempt to confuse the issue between an advocacy group and a "gay gun show"? Can you not mentally separate the two? Try knowledge instead of ignorance sometime. Pink Pistols is gay people who go shooting together. Gay boogie is gay people who go chuting together. Looks like we have a match! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
