kallend 2,027 #76 February 25, 2006 QuoteQuote(edited to add pic) I am totally at a loss. I have read stories in all kinds of different print and online newspapers that cite a rise in violent crime in England, and in fact your nameless, faceless graph (which for all anyone knows you could have printed up yourself in a very basic program) is the only source I have ever seen for a claim that is 180 degrees opposite of numerous news sources' claims. How do you account for that? Your claim is the diametric opposite of everything else out there. - Put up or shut up Jeffrey. Show us data from a credible source. It wasn't that long ago you were claiming that Clinton made no Supreme Court nominations, so your track record with facts is rather poor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #77 February 25, 2006 jeffrey you fail to recognize one thing...people in the UK who own guns ARE viewed as lunatics who are on the fringes of society...by the POLICE in particular after the incident my friend was involved in, the cops were more interested in him than the criminals he stopped!... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #78 February 25, 2006 QuoteFunny, I read an interview with him in the NRA's magazine, and he sure didn't sound like a stark-raving lunatic there. Are you alleging that the entire interview was a fabrication and therefore a fraud? Can't speak for the article in the NRA mag, but Martin was diagnosed as suffering from a "paranoid personality disorder" and relied upon this fact at court, which put him away after effectively fining him criminally insane. That is not the sort of person who I would choose to be the darling of my organization. QuoteI have read stories in all kinds of different print and online newspapers that cite a rise in violent crime in England, Yeah well as an experienced skydiver I'm sure you're always happy to read the gospel truth about the latest skydiving fatality in your local paper. Oh, you found they missed out key facts and sensationalized the story? Funny that isn't it. Crime stats are the same. Papers are quite happy to use a completely discredited source and entirely misrepresent the figures within so long as it means they get to have a nice sound-bite from an opposition politician from the party the paper's owner pays campaign funds to. The graph I posted is from the British Crime Survey 2004/5 which represents the most authoritative source of statistics on crime in England and Wales over the last 25 years and the only one capable of producing statistics capable of comparison year on year. Hell, even John's had to finally admit that he accepts its findings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #79 February 26, 2006 QuoteGood news. At least some of the money has been recovered. Was found at Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent, UK which is area I live and also police. Multiple vehicles involved recovered and its not believed they used the rail link to get to the continent. I think its only a matter of time. Already number of arrestst made They probably all rushed out like in Goodfellas and bought Cadillac Coupe De Villes! Raised eyebrows among those who knew them and all that. "Oi, Kevin, what's the deal, mate? Where'd you score the fancy wheels?" --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #80 February 26, 2006 Quotejeffrey you fail to recognize one thing...people in the UK who own guns ARE viewed as lunatics who are on the fringes of society...by the POLICE in particular after the incident my friend was involved in, the cops were more interested in him than the criminals he stopped!... Well, I know I have no credibility and all, but I would venture a guess that your friend is in that situation because they're all fuckin INSANE over there! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #81 February 26, 2006 Quote[ Put up or shut up Jeffrey. Show us data from a credible source. How about we start with an article from the Beeb? Okay? It says something about crimes against the person up 17%, and while it also says that MINISTERS claimed the increase is (in part) due to different reporting methods, I'd wager it's about a lot more than that. And didn't someone say something about how politicians circle wagons, and those out of power play up the current problems and those in power play down problems, and usually both are full of shit? Well, this was politicians in power claiming it's just different reporting methods behind a crime wave. Yeah. Sure. Whatever. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #82 February 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteFunny, I read an interview with him in the NRA's magazine, and he sure didn't sound like a stark-raving lunatic there. Are you alleging that the entire interview was a fabrication and therefore a fraud? Can't speak for the article in the NRA mag, but Martin was diagnosed as suffering from a "paranoid personality disorder" and relied upon this fact at court, which put him away after effectively fining him criminally insane. That is not the sort of person who I would choose to be the darling of my organization. Fine, we'll use Hale Demar, who saved his family from an intruder and then was charged because he was in Chicago, which did not recognize that he has a right to have a gun. As I recall, they ended up dropping the charges against him. Don't hold me to that; I have to look it up. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #83 February 26, 2006 QuoteWe have changed hardly anything for guns except just for peope to have them is registered. Please explain what you are trying to say? What -registered where? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #84 February 26, 2006 QuoteYou said earlier that the "assult weapons" are hardly the result of crime. Gee I wonder why. Maybe because they are not easly to get? Again can you explain please? I am just trying to follow along here. Are you implying "assult weapons"? are hard to get in the US? Please define "assult weapons" for us then. So called assault weapons are no harder to buy in most of the US than a shotgun or single shot .22. yet are used in only 1% of gun crimes according to most statistics. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
