South Dakota ban's abortion

[Beckz70018 0]

You say who I am to say that people can't be reformed? Well, who're you to impose your opinion on anyone about their right to have an abortion?

[windcatcher 0]

Amazon, I am going to pick on you real quick because you have stated you're a Christian. ( I hope this is okay) Do you not believe that people change? Do you not believe that God has the power to change someone who wants to be changed?
Have you not experienced God transforming you into a completely different person, who is more loving, more selfless, etc.? Have you not seen yourself wanting to get rid of every nasty or wrong habit you've ever had, and wanting to become as loving as possible?

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Its been proven over and over and over.. SEXUAL PREDATORS.. do not WANT to change...

And If I did get pregnant by my father, no, I would not want to carry the child, but I still would. I would love that child as much as possible because he/she deserves to be loved. Obviously it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to cope with, but I would still raise the child I firmly believe. Besides, who's to say giving the baby up for adoption wouldn't be an option?

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[ccowden 0]

Psychopathy is a personality disorder, not a mental disease. Disorders can most definitely be remedied.

[brierebecca 0]

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The grey area is in the 18-23 weeks, where post-birth survival is (barely for the 22+, not really for the 18-21) conceivable. Before that, it's not a baby yet. Potential for one, yes. But not there yet. It's very subjective --

Interestingly, only 1 percent of the abortions that happen in a year are after 24 weeks. Not that it changes anything. I just thought that was interesting.

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I used to hold that position when I was very young. But, well, I no longer do.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

Brie

"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie

[sundevil777 102]

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You say who I am to say that people can't be reformed? Well, who're you to impose your opinion on anyone about their right to have an abortion?

Because many believe killing should be prohibited even if the person being killed is still inside the mother.

It would seem that you have to conclude that it is not a life until birth, or that mothers have the right to kill their unborn children.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[windcatcher 0]

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You say who I am to say that people can't be reformed? Well, who're you to impose your opinion on anyone about their right to have an abortion?

So now I can't have my opinion?
Wow

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[Amazon 7]

I do believe its possible for some people to come to christ..

BUT.>>> MOST of the sexual predators we have in this country certainly do not follow what christ taught....they are SICK FUCKS.. who only care about themselves.. hence they truely believe they are right no matter what they do... they are sociopaths.

Personally I do not believe in the death penalty for these LOW LIFE SUMBAGS.. but I do think there are several Aluetian Islands that are perfect for ANY of them convicted of victimizing others. I support life terms for them on the aforementioned islands to remove them from our midst.

This includes my late stepfather.

[billvon 3,046]

>So now I can't have my opinion?

You can have any opinion you want! The issue arises when you try to make everyone else live by your opinion.

I think everyone should speak at least two languages; teaches you a lot about the roots of language and helps make the world a less isolated place. I suspect my opinion on that wouldn't bother most people. But if you found yourself in jail because you only spoke one language, I think you'd suddenly have an issue with that 'opinion.'

[Nightingale 0]

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You say who I am to say that people can't be reformed? Well, who're you to impose your opinion on anyone about their right to have an abortion?

So now I can't have my opinion?
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Nbody's saying you can't have your opinion. They're saying that you can't force other people to comply with your opinion.

[windcatcher 0]

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You can't avoid the fact that alot of things are passed down from parent to child. My step-mother is manic depressive, she self medicated with drinking, she's been sober for 16 years. She had my two brothers. My 19 year old brother is manic depressive, and self medicates with heroin. No one's sure if my other brother is manic depressive, but theres a possibility. She's a good mother. But being a good parent doesn't keep from the fact that you pass things to your children.

Ya know what, I agree with you. Unfortunately many things are passed down from parents to their children--I call this a "generational curse."
Still, my belief is that not every single negative trait is passed down from parents. Furthermore, every person still has a choice. I myself have suffered with depression--I can either accept it, or do something about it. ( Meds, counseling, etc).

Every person still has a choice how to live their own life.

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[wmw999 2,500]

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Interestingly, only 1 percent of the abortions that happen in a year are after 24 weeks. Not that it changes anything. I just thought that was interesting.

I know that. We're arguing over an awfully small number, aren't we? Pretending that they all have the potential to be late-term or something like that.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Because many believe killing should be prohibited even if the person being killed is still inside the mother.

How about the baby killing the mother? Should that be prohibited as well?

I am wondering what the quality of life is of an adult knowing they are in the world because their grandfather raped their mother at the age of 12. Are the people in the anti-choice crowd willing to pay for all the councelling. Are at least willing to pay extra taxes to provide free councelling for those who need it?

[brierebecca 0]

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know that. We're arguing over an awfully small number, aren't we? Pretending that they all have the potential to be late-term or something like that.

I think that potential is what this argument is all about. Whether something that has the potential to be a life is actually a life.

It all comes down to morals, I guess. Where one's values lie on this issue. My problem with that is that laws are not supposed to be about morals. Government shouldn't be able to impose its morals on its citizens. It's a privacy issue for me.

Brie

"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie

[windcatcher 0]

Okay Bill and Nightingale, I know what you're saying about my opinion. We live in a country where you're politically incorrect if you try and stand up against that which is immoral, am I correct?

I have my opinion, and you have yours.
However, I am not willing to sit back and watch others be murdered; if I have a choice in the matter, I will do what I can to protect someone's life.

If you had the chance, like one of the Columbine teachers, to either help the high schoolers get out of the building before they get shot, or run away and save yourself, which would you choose?

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[wmw999 2,500]

OK, in all this discussion of bringing children of rape into the world (and folks, I'm very pro-choice) we're forgetting the option of having a baby and putting them up for adoption.

It's a viable option. Particularly if the new parents know of the history and agree, there's nothing wrong with it.

It's not the right option for everyone, which is why I'm pro-choice.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Nightingale 0]

I'd help the kids, but that's probably because I've had a lot of training about how to deal with crisis situations. I wouldn't think any less of someone who turned tail and got out, mainly because if they're not emotionally capable of assisting in an emergency, best for them to get out of the way so the people doing something about it don't have to deal with them too.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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OK, in all this discussion of bringing children of rape into the world (and folks, I'm very pro-choice) we're forgetting the option of having a baby and putting them up for adoption.

That still doesn't really negate the traumatic side to the child (now young adult) and subsequent need for councelling etc. It really doesn't change the argument. Actually I could imagine a scenario in which cause the adoption could make the trauma worse.

[wmw999 2,500]

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We live in a country where you're politically incorrect if you try and stand up against that which is immoral, am I correct?

Why are your opinions "morals" and others' not?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,046]

>We live in a country where you're politically incorrect if you try and
>stand up against that which is immoral, am I correct?

Depends on the issue. Being "politically incorrect" means going against the prevailing political opinion. Hence being for peace is currently politically incorrect, but 'supporting the troops' is not.

>I have my opinion, and you have yours.

And I have no problem with your opinion, as an opinion, as I suspect you have no problem with mine. It's when you try to send people to jail to support of your opinion that I get leery.

>However, I am not willing to sit back and watch others be murdered;
>if I have a choice in the matter, I will do what I can to protect
>someone's life.

And if an abortion could protect a mother's life - what would you counsel them to do? If your daughter's life were seriously at risk due to a complicated pregnancy at age 12, would you let her die?

[kallend 2,092]

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I keep hearing arguments, but nothing that outweighs the killing of the unborn baby.

Try again since you didn't answer last time.

What's your answer to pregancy by rape? Make sure your answer does not in any way further infringe on the right of the woman to live her life as she sees fit.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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However, I am not willing to sit back and watch others be murdered; if I have a choice in the matter, I will do what I can to protect someone's life.

Which life? That of the mother or that of the child? Which one is more important? When does one life become more important than the other? Who makes that decisions? Who should make that decision?

[kallend 2,092]

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You say who I am to say that people can't be reformed? Well, who're you to impose your opinion on anyone about their right to have an abortion?

So now I can't have my opinion?
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You can have your opinion, but what gives you the right to impose it by law on someone else whose opinion is different.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Beckz70018 0]

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You say who I am to say that people can't be reformed? Well, who're you to impose your opinion on anyone about their right to have an abortion?

So now I can't have my opinion?
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If you re-read that, and read what you said before, you're telling me I can't have an opinion about something.

I didn't say you can't have an opinion, but, neither you, nor your father, have the right to tell a woman she can't have an abortion.

I have to go to work. I can't wait to see what is said when I get home.

[windcatcher 0]

I am not sure yet about abortion when it causes the mother to be at risk; can you respect that I haven't formed an opinion about it yet?

Would it still be called an abortion if the mother's life was at risk?

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[wmw999 2,500]

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Would it still be called an abortion if the mother's life was at risk?

Yep. The name doesn't change the physical events.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)