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I don't know what you think is so wrong with defective children being born
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kallend 2,070
QuoteI don't know what you think is so wrong with defective children being born
Maybe you should try looking after one 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the next 40 years, until the state has to take over because you're too old to take care any more. Then come back and make that statement.
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QuoteQuoteI don't know what you think is so wrong with defective children being born
Maybe you should try looking after one 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the next 40 years, until the state has to take over because you're too old to take care any more. Then come back and make that statement.
I have known several people who have voluntarily chosen to work in this field. I think its great when people have the genorisity in themselves to do so.
Althought I don't believe it should be forced onto anybody, if it happens. I think a person with morals will not turn their back on them or prefer to kill them.
Just to briefly address the outright stupidy of your STATEMENT, I will share something about myself.
My brother was born retarded, he died at 5 years of age 26 years ago. His birthday just passed last month and me and my family celebrated it. If my parents could give up everything they own including their time, to simply be able to have him alive and care for him, they would gladly do so.
Your ability to state that you believe its better to kill somebody who may be born retarded, is frankly quite offensive. All I can say to avoid making a personal attack it your post was VERY STUPID
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Nothing to eat, no books to read.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
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Strangely, Nightingale's was the most clinically cold answer based on her needs (your definition was more of the compromise that considers something scientifically tangible - less logically, more defined as something people can hang their hat on). I should have greatly appreciated her answer, but had a reaction anyway. It's hard to stay objective.
Well, I think my answer was logical, based on my desire to be a parent. Honestly, even if I were raped, I'd still have the baby, because again, I want to be a parent, and the baby and the father are not one and the same. If I found that I couldn't form an emotional bond with the child because of the circumstances, I'd arrange for adoption because I don't want to risk my future fertility by having an abortion. It's a chance that I don't want to take, and that's my choice. My choice. Nobody else's.
I'd probably have a very different reaction if I were twelve years old. Just because some children are physically mature enough to get pregnant doesn't mean that the pregnancy wouldn't be really risky, or that the child would be able to handle it emotionally. Would you want your twelve year old daughter to take that kind of risk to have a baby that she's not physically or emotionally ready for? What about the social stigma of being pregnant so young? She'd either have to explain she was raped to everyone who looked at her, or she'd have to put up with having a reputation as a slut. Unless she explained everything to everybody at school, which would require talking about the rape over and over, she'd lose friends, parents wouldn't want their kids hanging out with her, and a bad reptuation might even extend to the few friends that might stick by her. As if dealing with the emotional trauma of a rape wasn't enough, would you really want to put her through all that?
QuoteMaybe you should try looking after one 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the next 40 years, until the state has to take over because you're too old to take care any more. Then come back and make that statement.
Hmm, I guess you're right, after all only perfect people should be allowed to live. So maybe we should just shoot all the living people with defects--those with Down syndrome, autism, etc. And oh! let's not forget about dwarves, midgets, people with missing limbs, etc. Afterall, they aren't "normal" and perfectly healthy apparently, so they don't deserve to live. And let's not forget the obese.
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Rebecca 0
I'm totally playing Devil's advocate here.
I have a question for believers: What happens to the souls of aborted fetuses? Do they go to heaven? Hell? Do they get another chance at birth or are they then stuck where they are?
If they would otherwise have been born 'defective', missing a chromosome or a limb or a working heart, would it then be in the best interest of that person and their eternal soul to make them live through that before they can get to heaven? Is that worth the joy they might bring someone else or the Lifetime special it might inspire?
Put yourself in the place of the next soul in the pipeline and give yourself the choice - be born without a whole body, or be terminated and go directly to the final destination (I'm assuming it's Heaven, but I don't know for sure.)
Just a thought...
you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?
I have a question for believers: What happens to the souls of aborted fetuses? Do they go to heaven? Hell? Do they get another chance at birth or are they then stuck where they are?
If they would otherwise have been born 'defective', missing a chromosome or a limb or a working heart, would it then be in the best interest of that person and their eternal soul to make them live through that before they can get to heaven? Is that worth the joy they might bring someone else or the Lifetime special it might inspire?
Put yourself in the place of the next soul in the pipeline and give yourself the choice - be born without a whole body, or be terminated and go directly to the final destination (I'm assuming it's Heaven, but I don't know for sure.)
Just a thought...
you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?
I wish I knew the answer to your question Rebecca, but I don't. I can give you what I believe though.
My belief is that every fetus, baby, and child goes to heaven when they die--they aren't given a chance to accept or reject Christ. ( Called the age of accountability, because they can't be accountable for their sins when they aren't old enough to understand).
There is a scripture by Jesus: Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." ( Matt. 19:14)
Also: Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;
and Isaiah 44: 24 "This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
AND ONE MORE:
Ecc. 11:5 As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
My belief is that every fetus, baby, and child goes to heaven when they die--they aren't given a chance to accept or reject Christ. ( Called the age of accountability, because they can't be accountable for their sins when they aren't old enough to understand).
There is a scripture by Jesus: Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." ( Matt. 19:14)
Also: Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;
and Isaiah 44: 24 "This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
AND ONE MORE:
Ecc. 11:5 As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.
Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...
kallend 2,070
QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't know what you think is so wrong with defective children being born
Maybe you should try looking after one 24 hours a day 7 days a week for the next 40 years, until the state has to take over because you're too old to take care any more. Then come back and make that statement.
I have known several people who have voluntarily chosen to work in this field. I think its great when people have the genorisity in themselves to do so.
Althought I don't believe it should be forced onto anybody, if it happens. I think a person with morals will not turn their back on them or prefer to kill them.
Just to briefly address the outright stupidy of your STATEMENT, I will share something about myself.
My brother was born retarded, he died at 5 years of age 26 years ago. His birthday just passed last month and me and my family celebrated it. If my parents could give up everything they own including their time, to simply be able to have him alive and care for him, they would gladly do so.
Your ability to state that you believe its better to kill somebody who may be born retarded, is frankly quite offensive. All I can say to avoid making a personal attack it your post was VERY STUPID
No, it was just a statement of opinion. Until she's done it she shouldn't judge those who are unwilling or unable to do it.
If someone voluntarily wishes to give birth to a seriously deformed and/or disabled child, they should be free to do so. They should NOT expect society at large to care for their child if they cannot do it. That is incredible arrogance.
If someone does NOT wish to give birth to such a child, who are you or Windcatcher to criticize their decision? What standing do you have in the matter?
Just curious, how many children have you raised to adulthood?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Rebecca 0
OK, then for the sake of argument:
1.) It is our ultimate goal to be accepted into Heaven
2.) Until then, and in order for that to happen, we must accept Christ, reject sin, and live in accordance with His word, seeking to do His will.
3.) Aborting a fetus is the sin of murder, as well as interference with God's plan and could condemn a person to hell
4.) The aborted fetus goes directly to Heaven and receives its eternal reward without having to suffer through life in this world
If the above are true, then aren't those arguing from a theological perspective trying to save the mother, not the fetus?
you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?
1.) It is our ultimate goal to be accepted into Heaven
2.) Until then, and in order for that to happen, we must accept Christ, reject sin, and live in accordance with His word, seeking to do His will.
3.) Aborting a fetus is the sin of murder, as well as interference with God's plan and could condemn a person to hell
4.) The aborted fetus goes directly to Heaven and receives its eternal reward without having to suffer through life in this world
If the above are true, then aren't those arguing from a theological perspective trying to save the mother, not the fetus?
you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk?
rehmwa 2
QuoteWhat I'm seeing from you lately (like now, and I don't get it) is a lot of analysis of the discussion but I don't actually see you venturing an opinion of your own or even backing up your analysis with any facts.
I don't know what it's all about, because as I said, it's new, but I'd still like to see you backing up your arguments as you always have in the past.
Very true, but in the case of abortion, I personally think we can define a date, based on something reasonable like brain activity that defines a "point of no return date". Since it's an opinion, what is there to back up that anyone would discuss in a less than shrill manner? Facts don't play into establishing an opinion in abortion, they only really play to shore up pre-established notions indoctrinated during adolescent development.
It's more useful to take those that advocate either:
1 - every sperm is precious
2 - mother's choice for any reason at any time
and try to explore why they are so absolute in those positions. Because, frankly, I think both are nuts and completely unreasonable. Step back and look at the discussion even here on both sides and try to imagine these people delivering these points in an objective manner. I can't. Even from those I really enjoy and like.
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Quote1 - every sperm is precious
Every Sperm is Sacred
From: The Meaning Of Life
by the Monty Python Team
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.
I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood!
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
God needs everybody's.
Mine! And mine! And mine!
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaate!
Flame Away... but bring your ladder so you can climnb down off my back.
Dolph 0
QuoteOK, then for the sake of argument:
1.) It is our ultimate goal to be accepted into Heaven
2.) Until then, and in order for that to happen, we must accept Christ, reject sin, and live in accordance with His word, seeking to do His will.
3.) Aborting a fetus is the sin of murder, as well as interference with God's plan and could condemn a person to hell
4.) The aborted fetus goes directly to Heaven and receives its eternal reward without having to suffer through life in this world
If the above are true, then aren't those arguing from a theological perspective trying to save the mother, not the fetus?
Oh my goodness. I just fell in love.
Thats funny because I can name many women I have heard make that statement and no men. I have even heard women make that same exact statement and then end it with, yeah but I wouldn't want to make it illegal. Kind of back to the Slavery, oh I know its wrong but I don't think it should be illegal.
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Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.
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