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I think it is more of a brainwashing that is associated with the Airborne heritage than the 5 jumps.

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i fixed it for you.



No unfortunatly you did not fix it.

Until you go thru it you just would never understand.... its about esprit de corp.. its about tradition...its about duty.... and yes its about honor.

Try it...it does make a huge difference to many who go thru that crucible.



Well said, Jeanne!
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The Airborne is the epitome of manhood.



this statement is the epitome of ignorance. doing 5 static line jumps doesn't make you a man or more manly.

all U.S. service members bleed the same color and deserve the same respect regardless of unit affiliation, branch of service, race, religious affiliation or gender.



Its not the jumps... and whether you like it or not service members get different levels of respect.

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Must be a pretty bitter leg then....;)



classify me as you will, leg is about insulting as calling me a cracker.

your elitist position is laughable. combined arms actions are the way of the modern battlefield.

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Sorry bud... Airforce computer guys that sign up for college money do not and should not get the kind of respect the Airborne does... Hell, same goes for most Leg units in the Army...

Does it not make more sense getting more respect being in an elite outfit with a battle hardened history?

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Must be a pretty bitter leg then....;)



classify me as you will, leg is about insulting as calling me a cracker.

your elitist position is laughable. combined arms actions are the way of the modern battlefield.



Scenario change:

OK, I checked your profile... your wingloading is WAY too heavy for your jump numbers....

What do you mean, I'm not qualified to give you advice? I'm a skydiver, so my advice is equally as valid as billvon/skybytch/etc....
Mike
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ah, how i've missed the way legs talk.



You'll have to explain that to me, cause I don't know your jargon.

But if you think the fighting soldiers would have the same overpowering advantage they have now without all the technological advances made possible by those "computer guys" then you may have hit your head too many times on landing :)

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Does it not make more sense getting more respect being in an elite outfit with a battle hardened history?



What makes a unit elite? I know your airborne brainwashing makes you say "my unit is the best"... but why is it better?

I have just as much respect for the supply guy driving a deuce and a half through IED strewn roads as the 11b pulling crowd control at the latest mohammed cartoon uprising.

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Scenario change:

OK, I checked your profile... your wingloading is WAY too heavy for your jump numbers....

What do you mean, I'm not qualified to give you advice? I'm a skydiver, so my advice is equally as valid as billvon/skybytch/etc....



you're right, it is a completely different scenario. you're talking about giving / taking advice.

i'm talking about respect.

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Nope... same presumption - you wouldn't respect my advice because I don't have the same experience that you do, just as you don't understand the point that Amazon/Hawkins/MatthewCline are getting at.

With that said - I *DO* understand the point that you are making. All of our armed forces deserve our respect for the job that they're out there doing, regardless of their rank or rate.
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... just as you don't understand the point that Amazon/Hawkins/MatthewCline are getting at.

With that said - I *DO* understand the point that you are making. All of our armed forces deserve our respect for the job that they're out there doing, regardless of their rank or rate.



you have partial understanding for my point. if you append branch of service and unit to your list, you're starting to get the point.

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Like I said, I knew what you were getting at, but you're misunderstanding their point.

There is definitely a pride and respect thing going on with that - a "nobody else does it OUR way" sort of feeling.

It's not saying that other branches/MOS/AFSC/Rates aren't deserving of respect - I don't think you'll see ANY of the veterans here on the forums saying that - but more of a recognition of the EXTRA sacrifice and work that went into earning those special insignia.
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Like I said, I knew what you were getting at, but you're misunderstanding their point.

There is definitely a pride and respect thing going on with that - a "nobody else does it OUR way" sort of feeling.

It's not saying that other branches/MOS/AFSC/Rates aren't deserving of respect - I don't think you'll see ANY of the veterans here on the forums saying that - but more of a recognition of the EXTRA sacrifice and work that went into earning those special insignia.



No, see you just don't get it. They didn't put any EXTRA sacrifice and work into that insignia. It's just brainwashing.

All of that extra training and running and everything. It was all brainwashing. That's it.
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No, see you just don't get it. They didn't put any EXTRA sacrifice and work into that insignia. It's just brainwashing.

All of that extra training and running and everything. It was all brainwashing. That's it.




you also forgot all the happy airborne cadences. i know you're being facetious, but that is exactly the point.

besides, unit assignments are just that... assignments. you don't get to pick what unit you get assigned to.

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No, see you just don't get it. They didn't put any EXTRA sacrifice and work into that insignia. It's just brainwashing.

All of that extra training and running and everything. It was all brainwashing. That's it.




you also forgot all the happy airborne cadences. i know you're being facetious, but that is exactly the point.

besides, unit assignments are just that... assignments. you don't get to pick what unit you get assigned to.



Yes you can and you do.. You have to volunteer for the airborne... You can choose if you go to the 82nd or not. You can choose if you go to RIP and go to a ranger bat... You choose if you go to selection for SF. You cant choose what battalion or anything like that but you choose if you go to division.
The airborne train and work harder than leg units... its a fact... the airborne are considered elite... so yes, they get more respect than your average truck driver.

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The airborne train and work harder than leg units... its a fact... the airborne are considered elite by the brainwashed... so yes, they get more respect from the brainwashed than your average truck driver.



someday you'll realize that it's all the same bs, you just took it way more seriously than everyone else.

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