Troops beats up kids

[Loonix 0]

http://abum.com/show/12999/troops_beat_kids.html

Bringing peace, freedom and democracy (and other pretty buzzwords) to Iraq. Nicely done...

[Rookie120 0]

who where they? Americans? Iraqi troops? I find it hard to believe those would be americans. Who was the video man. Some reporter?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Loonix 0]

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who where they? Americans? Iraqi troops? I find it hard to believe those would be americans. Who was the video man. Some reporter?

Well, I'm trying to spark discussion :) The text on that page is not a credible source of information, of course, so I'm hoping someone else knows more about this. I would guess the cameraman is a soldier. With a past in pornbiz, judging by some of the.. sounds.. he makes.

[dbattman 0]

If they were American troops the voice hollering orders on the radio would've been speaking English. More likely local security forces. Can't say I have much sympathy for the kids though. Pain is a wonderful teacher.

[Loonix 0]

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If they were American troops the voice hollering orders on the radio would've been speaking English. More likely local security forces. Can't say I have much sympathy for the kids though. Pain is a wonderful teacher.

I googled a bit. They were british soldiers.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1708159,00.html

Do you think beating these kids up does any good, by the way?

[dbattman 0]

Hmm- sounded Arabic in the vid to me.

Actually, yes. Based on my childhood a few licks is rather appropriate for extreme behavior like that. What you have preferred after throwing rocks and molotovs at other people? A time-out, perhaps?

[Loonix 0]

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Hmm- sounded Arabic in the vid to me.

Actually, yes. Based on my childhood a few licks is rather appropriate for extreme behavior like that. What you have preferred after throwing rocks and molotovs at other people? A time-out, perhaps?

well, if foreign troops invades norway, I think I'd perhaps be throwing the molotovs.

[billvon 2,991]

>I find it hard to believe those would be americans.

After dozens of deaths and hundreds of tortures at the hands of coalition troops, why is that suprising? We torture people to death; why wouldn't we pound them?

[Channman 2]

> After dozens of deaths and hundreds of tortures at the hands of coalition troops, why is that suprising? We torture people to death; why wouldn't we pound them?

And once again you go on record that America and the Brits are the great evil.

Maybe you should walk a mile or two in those mens shoes before throwing such blanket statements out.

[dbattman 0]

Really? Perhaps you should watch these and think it over.

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

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> After dozens of deaths and hundreds of tortures at the hands of coalition troops, why is that suprising? We torture people to death; why wouldn't we pound them?

And once again you go on record that America and the Brits are the great evil.

Maybe you should walk a mile or two in those mens shoes before throwing such blanket statements out.

Maybe I'm retarded here, bu I don't see where he said that America and the Brits are the great evil. Can you point that for me?

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[Loonix 0]

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Really? Perhaps you should watch these and think it over.

http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

I don't see the relevance in that, I have never supported Saddam Hussein. As many americans like to say, you can love your country even if you do not love your president. If you love your country, you defend it. With any means you have.

[dbattman 0]

Again with the 'invading force' rhetoric. Let's step back a bit. This whole thing had been building since 1991 when Sadaam had his forces invade Kuwait. After the majority of the rest of the world kicked him back he was allowed to remain in his position instead of removing him then and finishing the job. He spent the next ten years thumbing his nose at the rest of the world, kicking out inspectors, shooting at airplanes, and flying planes where he agreed not to. Unfortunately for him bad timing got the best of him when one of his cohorts decided it would be a good idea or organize the mass killing of several thousand people of various nationalities and religions in NYC. The result was an administration on the offensive not willing to put up with his crap anymore that decides to do what the UN only talks about.

The country is still theirs. Nothing has been taken, the oil reserves aren't being pumped out, a government is being setup and local forces are being trained to take over. After WWII Germany was divided among the allied powers. The Western countries unified their pieces and created Western Germany to give it back to it's people. The same thing is happening here.

What you have here is a scrap of video showing teenagers, probably stirred up by one of the local radicals, off doing things they shouldn't be doing. A couple of them get caught and there are some reprisals. Can't say I agree with kicking the kid in the nuts, but I wasn't there and I don't know if these guys were pulling their licks back a little. If I had the local Baptist whipping up his Sunday school class into a mob I can't promise not to be out with my broomstick either.

[Lindsey 0]

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>I find it hard to believe those would be americans.

After dozens of deaths and hundreds of tortures at the hands of coalition troops, why is that suprising? We torture people to death; why wouldn't we pound them?

No way billvon. Americans would never do things like that.....

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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No way billvon. Americans would never do things like that.....

In my best Mr Rogers voice ... "Can you say Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay? I knew you could".

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 2,991]

>And once again you go on record that America and the Brits are the great evil.

Never said that. The people who torture Iraqis are in the minority; however, since they do exist, and there are dozens of them, hearing that someone beat up some kids really isn't that suprising.

>Maybe you should walk a mile or two in those mens shoes before
>throwing such blanket statements out.

And I hope to god you never have to walk in the shoes of the men they tortured.

[Loonix 0]

You're saying basically the same as earlier, but using more words...

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Again with the 'invading force' rhetoric. Let's step back a bit. This whole thing had been building since 1991 when Sadaam had his forces invade Kuwait. After the majority of the rest of the world kicked him back he was allowed to remain in his position instead of removing him then and finishing the job. He spent the next ten years thumbing his nose at the rest of the world, kicking out inspectors, shooting at airplanes, and flying planes where he agreed not to. Unfortunately for him bad timing got the best of him when one of his cohorts decided it would be a good idea or organize the mass killing of several thousand people of various nationalities and religions in NYC. The result was an administration on the offensive not willing to put up with his crap anymore that decides to do what the UN only talks about.

I still don't support Saddam Hussein. What you write here, suggests that the war was about helping the Iraqi people. We both know that's not it.

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The country is still theirs. Nothing has been taken, the oil reserves aren't being pumped out, a government is being setup and local forces are being trained to take over. After WWII Germany was divided among the allied powers. The Western countries unified their pieces and created Western Germany to give it back to it's people. The same thing is happening here.

That is a pretty optimistic scenario. Why is there so little control now? Do you think that Iraq will avoid civil war? I don't.

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What you have here is a scrap of video showing teenagers, probably stirred up by one of the local radicals, off doing things they shouldn't be doing. A couple of them get caught and there are some reprisals. Can't say I agree with kicking the kid in the nuts, but I wasn't there and I don't know if these guys were pulling their licks back a little. If I had the local Baptist whipping up his Sunday school class into a mob I can't promise not to be out with my broomstick either.

They are doing things that YOU don't think they should be doing. I seriously don't understand how you can expect to invade a country and expect everyone to smile and wish you welcome. It has nothing to do with what the leader of the country has done. Even if the invasion was justified and "good", one would have to be pretty stupid to think that all the people would wish the invasion welcome.

These soldiers goes after some kids AFTER the demonstration has been resolved, and starts beating them up. There is NO reason to do so. When the kids get back home, beaten up by coalition forces who came to "secure peace, freedom, yada yada".. What impact do you think that has on people?

[dbattman 0]

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I still don't support Saddam Hussein. What you write here, suggests that the war was about helping the Iraqi people. We both know that's not it.

We're 200+ Billion in the hole plus a few tens of thousand wounded and about 2100 KIA. I must have missed something, fill me in.

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That is a pretty optimistic scenario. Why is there so little control now? Do you think that Iraq will avoid civil war? I don't.

Actually, yes I do. Zarqawi (who's Jordanian), Al-Queda, and their ilk are imported and very finite in numbers. In Afghanistan they had a pretty successful anti-terrorist campaign involving inviting them out of their caves and giving them jobs.

*** They are doing things that YOU don't think they should be doing. I seriously don't understand how you can expect to invade a country and expect everyone to smile and wish you welcome. It has nothing to do with what the leader of the country has done. Even if the invasion was justified and "good", one would have to be pretty stupid to think that all the people would wish the invasion welcome.

These soldiers goes after some kids AFTER the demonstration has been resolved, and starts beating them up. There is NO reason to do so. When the kids get back home, beaten up by coalition forces who came to "secure peace, freedom, yada yada".. What impact do you think that has on people?

[warpedskydiver 0]

I viewed that footage several times and they appear to be Iraqi's ....

some of them were brits as well but those were the guys with the SA80's on them

[Loonix 0]

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We're 200+ Billion in the hole plus a few tens of thousand wounded and about 2100 KIA. I must have missed something, fill me in.

You spent alot of money, and alot of people died.. this means what? Alright, I'll fill you in. The war was about weapons of mass destruction. Officially, anyway. The likelyhood of there being any such was about 0 (ref. hans blix, UN inspectors, etc). About terrorism, well.. Iraq was not a source for that. Afghanistan was/is, saudi arabia (your preciouss allies) is, many other countries is, iraq was not high on that list. So the actual reason for the war can be speculated on, but just helping the iraqi people getting rid off their evil dictator..? You seriously believe that?

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*** That is a pretty optimistic scenario. Why is there so little control now? Do you think that Iraq will avoid civil war? I don't.

Actually, yes I do. Zarqawi (who's Jordanian), Al-Queda, and their ilk are imported and very finite in numbers. In Afghanistan they had a pretty successful anti-terrorist campaign involving inviting them out of their caves and giving them jobs.

The civil war is about sunni and shia. read http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article347806.ece

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Do you think they should be out there throwing rocks and bombs? A bunch of kids just organized themselves and put this one? I don't think so, but as the saying goes 'If you get them young the possibilities are endless.'

You completely fail to see the point... Try to imagine yourself living in a country less superior than the USA. A superior force invades. Muslim ones, wanting to force many of their values on you. To them, Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world today, so this war would be justified, much like yours. Would you sit back and watch, since your president is such a terrorist? I'm saying you just can't expect people to welcome an invasion! Kids throwing rocks is a minor "offense", and capturing a couple of them and beating them up is not only pointless, but serves against the purpose these troops claim they are there for.

About who organized them, is it so hard to believe they did that themselves? And does it matter?

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It didn't look resolved to me-it looked like they were chased off. And they won't be getting back home- they'll be picked up by parents at the jail who (hopefully) will give them a few additonals to drive it home.

Chased off .. resolved .. They were not throwing rocks, were they? Sure, go ahead, chase them off.. It was resolved after that at least, since they had plenty of times to start beating them up...

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I'm putting on my Johnny Carson Swami hat.......mmmm......I sense that you are no older than 22. Shall I open the envelope?

and...?

[warpedskydiver 0]

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I'm putting on my Johnny Carson Swami hat.......mmmm......I sense that you are no older than 22. Shall I open the envelope?

and...?

[Loonix 0]

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I'm putting on my Johnny Carson Swami hat.......mmmm......I sense that you are no older than 22. Shall I open the envelope?

and...?

the Answer to the question is obvious only you didn't even know the answer...It's that on this topic that you are completely with knowledge or experience

[warpedskydiver 0]

no, it means if anyone is stupid enough to throw anything at guys in uniform, who are armed with rifles and kill people for a living,


YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE!!!

[warpedskydiver 0]

throwing a rock at me while I am carrying a rifle would get you drilled center mass or in the head

if it's ok to throw rocks at soldiers try doing it yourself...your family will be forced to sell the Rig you no longer need in the afterlife

[Loonix 0]

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no, it means if anyone is stupid enough to throw anything at guys in uniform, who are armed with rifles and kill people for a living,

YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE!!!

well thank god nobody put you in charge of crowd control.. So tell me again, what purpose this served?