warpedskydiver 0 #26 February 26, 2006 I give up, you are obviously the smartest person you ever met! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #27 February 26, 2006 QuoteI give up, you are obviously the smartest person you ever met! Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #28 February 26, 2006 QuoteYou spent alot of money, and alot of people died.. this means what? Alright, I'll fill you in. The war was about weapons of mass destruction. Officially, anyway. The likelyhood of there being any such was about 0 (ref. hans blix, UN inspectors, etc). About terrorism, well.. Iraq was not a source for that. Afghanistan was/is, saudi arabia (your preciouss allies) is, many other countries is, iraq was not high on that list. So the actual reason for the war can be speculated on, but just helping the iraqi people getting rid off their evil dictator..? You seriously believe that? Oh- You disappointed me! I was sure you were going to say IT WAS ALL ABOUT OIL! (none of which has been taken BTW). Iraq had no WMD? No, that was never the issue- he had them and he used them to gas his own people. The issue was did he get rid of them like he promised. And, no Hans Blix and his people couldn't determine that- they were too busy being chased around by Sadaams's people with an ineffective organization (the UN) backing him up. Sadaam not having links to any terror groups? That I do not believe. As for the others you mentioned let's say they have seen the light. Considering one of your close neighbors is under fire for publishing a few cartoons of an unpopular political opinion in a certain part of the world you may want to take notice. QuoteThe civil war is about sunni and shia. read http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article347806.ece I've seen enough UK media propoganda when I was in Germany two years ago thank you. Every other story advertised on BBC was some anti-USA schlock. QuoteYou completely fail to see the point... Try to imagine yourself living in a country less superior than the USA. A superior force invades. Muslim ones, wanting to force many of their values on you. To them, Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world today, so this war would be justified, much like yours. Would you sit back and watch, since your president is such a terrorist? I'm saying you just can't expect people to welcome an invasion! No, I do not see the point. First of all, no one is forcing anything on anyone here. Have we appointed permanent government? No- there are ongoing elections. The're going to take a while since voting without surrendering your ration card is a new concept to these people, but they're working on it. And plenty of countries have welcomed invasions by the 'allied' superior force, such as France, Germany, Italy, the Pacific Isles. Perhaps you've visited the cemetaries where we've buried our dead (the only thing we've asked for in the wake BTW). I made it a point to stop at a few when I was visiting- very well kept and manicured, staffed 365 a year. I was quite impressed. QuoteAbout who organized them, is it so hard to believe they did that themselves? And does it matter? Yes it is, and it does matter quite a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,989 #29 February 26, 2006 > no, it means if anyone is stupid enough to throw anything at guys >in uniform, who are armed with rifles and kill people for a living, >YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE! So all those Kurds deserved to die for resisting Saddam Hussein? There goes another "reason" for invading Iraq . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #30 February 26, 2006 clicky It's under investigation....... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #31 February 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteReally? Perhaps you should watch these and think it over. http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html I don't see the relevance in that, I have never supported Saddam Hussein. As many americans like to say, you can love your country even if you do not love your president. If you love your country, you defend it. With any means you have. Oh, so that's why the majority of terrorists in Iraq are from other countries. I get it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Loonix 0 #32 February 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteReally? Perhaps you should watch these and think it over. http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html I don't see the relevance in that, I have never supported Saddam Hussein. As many americans like to say, you can love your country even if you do not love your president. If you love your country, you defend it. With any means you have. Oh, so that's why the majority of terrorists in Iraq are from other countries. I get it now. Are you a terrorist if you fight against an invasion of.. Canada? IF that is true (please supply a source), so what? If their point of view is that the USA are attacking the muslim world, then they are defending themselves, but not on their home arena.. at least TRY to see things from another point of view sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #33 February 26, 2006 Quote> no, it means if anyone is stupid enough to throw anything at guys >in uniform, who are armed with rifles and kill people for a living, >YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE! So all those Kurds deserved to die for resisting Saddam Hussein? There goes another "reason" for invading Iraq . . . Personally I wish we would pull out and only watch the borders with Iran and Syria from heavy bombers. After they are free of us they can all kill each other like they want The Kurds fought as an army in most cases so comapring the two groups is actually pointless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sfzombie13 324 #34 February 26, 2006 i have been reading this and would like to say that the voice on the tape is probably a terp talking to the crowd. as far as the greater talk of the invasion not being justified, it wasn't. not even in 91 when i went there the first time. if we want to stick our noses into anyone's business, then we should start looking into africa for some serious civil rights violations and atrocities being committed. hussein looks like an angel compared to the actions of some of these guys. where is the real agenda here? it lies in the fact that hussein was once a us puppet that got out of control and had to be taught a lesson. and this isn't the first time it has happened._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #35 February 26, 2006 we have a winner! and why would I be considered over edjimicated? I am a gradimitate of the 6th grade! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Loonix 0 #36 February 26, 2006 QuoteOh- You disappointed me! I was sure you were going to say IT WAS ALL ABOUT OIL! but I didn't, did I... QuoteIraq had no WMD? Nope. QuoteNo, that was never the issue- he had them and he used them to gas his own people. He used to have, but not at the time of the invasion. The official reason to go to war was WMD. QuoteAnd, no Hans Blix and his people couldn't determine that- they were too busy being chased around by Sadaams's people with an ineffective organization (the UN) backing him up. They needed a few more weeks to be sure, which they were denied. Their conclusion at the time being was that Iraq almost certainly did not have any. With the little more time they asked for, they would have made that for sure. And if Hans Blix and the inspectors thought the UN did their job, I guess that's good enough for me... QuoteSadaam not having links to any terror groups? That I do not believe. I'm not saying NO links, I'm saying few terrorists had their origin in that area. QuoteAs for the others you mentioned let's say they have seen the light. Saudi Arabia was a close US ally before the WTC attacks, and as we all know, most the hijackers came from there. Is that "seeing the light" ? QuoteConsidering one of your close neighbors is under fire for publishing a few cartoons of an unpopular political opinion in a certain part of the world you may want to take notice. I've taken notice - what's your point? QuoteI've seen enough UK media propoganda when I was in Germany two years ago thank you. Every other story advertised on BBC was some anti-USA schlock. Ok, they are wrong, beucase YOU think that are wrong? Nicely put. If there will be a civil war is hard to say, of course. Lets say the situation at the moment is not very stable, at all... QuoteNo, I do not see the point. First of all, no one is forcing anything on anyone here. Have we appointed permanent government? No- there are ongoing elections. The're going to take a while since voting without surrendering your ration card is a new concept to these people, but they're working on it. Well, I think we are stuck. You STILL seem to think that _everyone_ should welcome your invasion because you are The Good Guys (something that can be discussed alot further, in another thread..). I don't, and with that, I'll rest my case on that matter. QuoteAnd plenty of countries have welcomed invasions by the 'allied' superior force, such as France, Germany, Italy, the Pacific Isles. Perhaps you've visited the cemetaries where we've buried our dead (the only thing we've asked for in the wake BTW). I made it a point to stop at a few when I was visiting- very well kept and manicured, staffed 365 a year. I was quite impressed. I'm sorry if I don't see the relevance. QuoteQuoteAbout who organized them, is it so hard to believe they did that themselves? And does it matter? Yes it is, and it does matter quite a bit. So you are saying it was some Bad Guy who ordered the kids out to throw rocks..? What would you tell YOUR kids about an invading force? They might just hate the invaders on their own! We don't know the age of them. But they do not look THAT young, and I don't see it as that unlikely that they are able to think for themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #29 February 26, 2006 > no, it means if anyone is stupid enough to throw anything at guys >in uniform, who are armed with rifles and kill people for a living, >YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE! So all those Kurds deserved to die for resisting Saddam Hussein? There goes another "reason" for invading Iraq . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 February 26, 2006 clicky It's under investigation....... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #31 February 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteReally? Perhaps you should watch these and think it over. http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html I don't see the relevance in that, I have never supported Saddam Hussein. As many americans like to say, you can love your country even if you do not love your president. If you love your country, you defend it. With any means you have. Oh, so that's why the majority of terrorists in Iraq are from other countries. I get it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #32 February 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteReally? Perhaps you should watch these and think it over. http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html I don't see the relevance in that, I have never supported Saddam Hussein. As many americans like to say, you can love your country even if you do not love your president. If you love your country, you defend it. With any means you have. Oh, so that's why the majority of terrorists in Iraq are from other countries. I get it now. Are you a terrorist if you fight against an invasion of.. Canada? IF that is true (please supply a source), so what? If their point of view is that the USA are attacking the muslim world, then they are defending themselves, but not on their home arena.. at least TRY to see things from another point of view sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #33 February 26, 2006 Quote> no, it means if anyone is stupid enough to throw anything at guys >in uniform, who are armed with rifles and kill people for a living, >YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE! So all those Kurds deserved to die for resisting Saddam Hussein? There goes another "reason" for invading Iraq . . . Personally I wish we would pull out and only watch the borders with Iran and Syria from heavy bombers. After they are free of us they can all kill each other like they want The Kurds fought as an army in most cases so comapring the two groups is actually pointless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #34 February 26, 2006 i have been reading this and would like to say that the voice on the tape is probably a terp talking to the crowd. as far as the greater talk of the invasion not being justified, it wasn't. not even in 91 when i went there the first time. if we want to stick our noses into anyone's business, then we should start looking into africa for some serious civil rights violations and atrocities being committed. hussein looks like an angel compared to the actions of some of these guys. where is the real agenda here? it lies in the fact that hussein was once a us puppet that got out of control and had to be taught a lesson. and this isn't the first time it has happened._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #35 February 26, 2006 we have a winner! and why would I be considered over edjimicated? I am a gradimitate of the 6th grade! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #36 February 26, 2006 QuoteOh- You disappointed me! I was sure you were going to say IT WAS ALL ABOUT OIL! but I didn't, did I... QuoteIraq had no WMD? Nope. QuoteNo, that was never the issue- he had them and he used them to gas his own people. He used to have, but not at the time of the invasion. The official reason to go to war was WMD. QuoteAnd, no Hans Blix and his people couldn't determine that- they were too busy being chased around by Sadaams's people with an ineffective organization (the UN) backing him up. They needed a few more weeks to be sure, which they were denied. Their conclusion at the time being was that Iraq almost certainly did not have any. With the little more time they asked for, they would have made that for sure. And if Hans Blix and the inspectors thought the UN did their job, I guess that's good enough for me... QuoteSadaam not having links to any terror groups? That I do not believe. I'm not saying NO links, I'm saying few terrorists had their origin in that area. QuoteAs for the others you mentioned let's say they have seen the light. Saudi Arabia was a close US ally before the WTC attacks, and as we all know, most the hijackers came from there. Is that "seeing the light" ? QuoteConsidering one of your close neighbors is under fire for publishing a few cartoons of an unpopular political opinion in a certain part of the world you may want to take notice. I've taken notice - what's your point? QuoteI've seen enough UK media propoganda when I was in Germany two years ago thank you. Every other story advertised on BBC was some anti-USA schlock. Ok, they are wrong, beucase YOU think that are wrong? Nicely put. If there will be a civil war is hard to say, of course. Lets say the situation at the moment is not very stable, at all... QuoteNo, I do not see the point. First of all, no one is forcing anything on anyone here. Have we appointed permanent government? No- there are ongoing elections. The're going to take a while since voting without surrendering your ration card is a new concept to these people, but they're working on it. Well, I think we are stuck. You STILL seem to think that _everyone_ should welcome your invasion because you are The Good Guys (something that can be discussed alot further, in another thread..). I don't, and with that, I'll rest my case on that matter. QuoteAnd plenty of countries have welcomed invasions by the 'allied' superior force, such as France, Germany, Italy, the Pacific Isles. Perhaps you've visited the cemetaries where we've buried our dead (the only thing we've asked for in the wake BTW). I made it a point to stop at a few when I was visiting- very well kept and manicured, staffed 365 a year. I was quite impressed. I'm sorry if I don't see the relevance. QuoteQuoteAbout who organized them, is it so hard to believe they did that themselves? And does it matter? Yes it is, and it does matter quite a bit. So you are saying it was some Bad Guy who ordered the kids out to throw rocks..? What would you tell YOUR kids about an invading force? They might just hate the invaders on their own! We don't know the age of them. But they do not look THAT young, and I don't see it as that unlikely that they are able to think for themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #37 February 26, 2006 I think it's a real shame that we went in there and stirred the pot as we have, and now when we leave we'll just blame them for being incapable of re-establishing a peaceful society. What a fubar.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #38 February 27, 2006 >Oh, so that's why the majority of terrorists in Iraq are from other countries. They're not; that's US propaganda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Scoop 0 #41 February 27, 2006 When you've seen friends shot and blown up I guess it tends to build up a little bit of frustration and anger. It is a warzone so we shouldn't be so shocked. Im sure it has happened and will continue to happen in many more conflicts. Lucky they werent beaten to death in some crazy mob, towed through the streets behind a car then the charred bodies put on display hanging from some local landmark. Now that would be animal. Who would do such a thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #42 February 27, 2006 http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-05-detainees-usat_x.htm http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1576666,00.html http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/051117_iraqforeignvol.pdf Excerpted from the last one: Nevertheless, these numbers pale beside those for the Iraqis themselves. By all reports, the insurgency remains largely homegrown. US experts and top level Iraqi officials estimated in November 2005 that at least 90% of the fighters were Iraqi and the total might be closer to 94% to 96%.. Coalition sources also indicated that only 3.8% of some13,300 detainees held in the fall of 2005 were foreign, and this percentage was lower than it had been in the early winter of 2005. Major General Rick Lynch in the Coalition command in Baghdad stated in October that only 376 of the detainees taken in 2005 were foreign: 78 Egyptians, 66 Syrians, 41 Sudanese, 32 Saudis, 1 American, and 1 Briton. These numbers had not changed significantly as of November 1, although the total number of detainees had risen to 13,900. . . . These figures mark a sharp contrast to some allegations that the insurgency was being driven by large numbers of foreign volunteers, and that a flood of new volunteers came in 2005. As Major General Joseph J. Taluto, the commander of the US Army’s 42nd Infantry Division, which was based in Tikrit put it, “The foreign fighters attacks tend to be more spectacular, but the local national, the Saddamists, the Iraqi rejectionists, are much more problematic." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #43 February 27, 2006 Quote>Oh, so that's why the majority of terrorists in Iraq are from other countries. They're not; that's US propaganda. No Bill every thing on CNN and Fox is true how dare you!!!!!!!!I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #44 February 27, 2006 QuoteWhen you've seen friends shot and blown up I guess it tends to build up a little bit of frustration and anger. It is a warzone so we shouldn't be so shocked. Im sure it has happened and will continue to happen in many more conflicts. Lucky they werent beaten to death in some crazy mob, towed through the streets behind a car then the charred bodies put on display hanging from some local landmark. Now that would be animal. Who would do such a thing? Indeed. I can't even begin to imagine what impact it makes on a person to see your family being blown to bits by a "smart bomb" dropped from a b-52, who came to "save you" in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #45 February 27, 2006 QuoteIndeed. I can't even begin to imagine what impact it makes on a person to see your family being blown to bits by a "smart bomb" dropped from a b-52, who came to "save you" in the first place. Yeah, hearts and minds in action. Haha. Anyway, doesn't make it any less relevant for those paticular soldiers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
