How do these fuckers not get killed?

[Duckwater 0]

Heckling dead soldiers and their families at the funeral in front of hundreds of bikers???

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/btsc.lavandrera.funerals/index.html

I am on purpose not going to one of these funerals because I would be in jail ASAP if I saw this motherfucker or any of his family.
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[Scoop 0]

Pure scum. Maybe they should test their faith when they are looking down the barrel of a gun.
Also a protest like this in the UK would be an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act and I wouldn't hesitate to throw every single one of them in a van and show them what 4 concrete walls look like.

[Skyrad 0]

'He describes himself as an "old-time" gospel preacher who says, "You can't preach the Bible without preaching the hatred of God."'

Sounds like the Christian version of what the Muslims are suffering from, extreamists who belive that God wants us to kill each other. Pretty sick on booth sides.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[freeflydrew 0]

what a bunch of assholes

[warpedskydiver 0]

I earlier had stated my opinions and my solutions...they would work if implemented...hehehe

for those of you who didn't read it try using a paintball gun running with a muzzle velocity @ 500f/ps with oleoresin capsacium balls....

they will never forget that maybe god works in mysterious and quite personal ways

[warpedskydiver 0]

another idea I have is having a mass jump on the target objective...all large and scary looking guys...weapons optional...

maybe a tandem with the passenger using the paintball gun as you make a nice pass?

[Scoop 0]

Just put the paintballs in the freezer before loading them up. Apparantly thats how alot of grudges get settled on the paintball field! Haha

[briguy 0]

Although I completely disagree with any message Fred Phelps is trying to send, he is entitled to picket, protest and spread his shitty hate-filled message. Free speech works for everyone, even those ignorant a-holes you disagree with.

The ADL has some background information on Fred Phelps if you're bored at work. http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

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[wildcard451 0]

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Although I completely disagree with any message Fred Phelps is trying to send, he is entitled to picket, protest and spread his shitty hate-filled message. Free speech works for everyone, even those ignorant a-holes you disagree with.

The ADL has some background information on Fred Phelps if you're bored at work. http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

Oh super sweet. Let me track you down on the worst day you've ever had and let you know that I think god hates you and you're an evil person and continue to grind salt in that wound.

If you think free speech is ALL free speech, well, you are about as smart as a rock.

Libel and slander aren't really protected are they? Your right to free expression ends when it becomes driectly hateful and poisonous to someone else.

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>Your right to free expression ends when it becomes driectly
>hateful and poisonous to someone else.

No it doesn't. If someone thinks that denying gays marriage rights is poisonous and hateful (which many do) should you be prohibited from speaking of it?

However, if you say "Narcimund kills small children" and he doesn't, that's libel - because it is a lie intended to destroy someone else's reputation.

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>Your right to free expression ends when it becomes driectly
>hateful and poisonous to someone else.

No it doesn't. If someone thinks that denying gays marriage rights is poisonous and hateful (which many do) should you be prohibited from speaking of it?

However, if you say "Narcimund kills small children" and he doesn't, that's libel - because it is a lie intended to destroy someone else's reputation.

True enough. I missed my point. Basically, I am just saying things have limits. We've put a few limits of free speech and such due to its harmful nature.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that this shouldn't be stopped on grounds that it is harmful to the family.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Your right to free expression ends when it becomes driectly hateful and poisonous to someone else

Really, so the KKK aren't allowed to say anything?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that this shouldn't be stopped on grounds that it is harmful to the family.

So, where do you stop? Denying people the right to say the holocaust never happened cause it hurts the jews? Deny the KKK the right to say blacks are inferior cause it will hurt some blacks?

Where is the line? Which group do you protect from hateful speech and which group do you not?

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Your right to free expression ends when it becomes driectly hateful and poisonous to someone else

Really, so the KKK aren't allowed to say anything?

*sigh*

I guess we do allow the nazis to go around yelling about their hate message, and the KKK. So we should go ahead and allow this to continue to.

I'll conceed that I was wrong about the legalities of it.

But man, in all these cases, shit like this is just wrong.

If I were on the jury of the soldier's father that shot this piece of shit right in the face...I'd vote to let him walk free.

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I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that this shouldn't be stopped on grounds that it is harmful to the family.

As bad as I feel for the families, it is the venue Phelps has chosen to troll the media. At this point his group isn't doing anything illegal and should be allowed to "protest". His group is only showing the world how ignorant and intolerant they are.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

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Your right to free expression ends when it becomes driectly hateful and poisonous to someone else

Really, so the KKK aren't allowed to say anything?

*sigh*

I guess we do allow the nazis to go around yelling about their hate message, and the KKK. So we should go ahead and allow this to continue to.

I'll conceed that I was wrong about the legalities of it.

But man, in all these cases, shit like this is just wrong.

If I were on the jury of the soldier's father that shot this piece of shit right in the face...I'd vote to let him walk free.

And that my friends would be justice carried out to the letter....

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As bad as I feel for the families, it is the venue Phelps has chosen to troll the media. At this point his group isn't doing anything illegal and should be allowed to "protest". His group is only showing the world how ignorant and intolerant they are.

Yeah, emotional response contained, you're right. Legally....yeah.

Morally. Fuck this guy,

[ryoder 1,590]

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Heckling dead soldiers and their families at the funeral in front of hundreds of bikers???

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/btsc.lavandrera.funerals/index.html

I am on purpose not going to one of these funerals because I would be in jail ASAP if I saw this motherfucker or any of his family.
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Here is the site where you can sign up to face off against the "religious" protestors: http://www.patriotguard.org/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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How do these fuckers not get killed

I guess cause we are better than this turd. Aside from the fuckers that are responsible for 9/11, I don't think I have ever hated anyone so much.

His only followers are his family. I'm hoping the gene pool gets cleansed soon in a legal manner, of course.

j

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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Although I completely disagree with any message Fred Phelps is trying to send, he is entitled to picket, protest and spread his shitty hate-filled message. Free speech works for everyone, even those ignorant a-holes you disagree with.

The ADL has some background information on Fred Phelps if you're bored at work. http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

Some states are trying to pass legislations so it would be illegal to protest at funerals.

j

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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Some states are trying to pass legislations so it would be illegal to protest at funerals.

i've also heard this and i disagree with the new laws for a couple reasons:

1)on the surface they seem to limit free speech and, although i'm no lawyer, seem Unconsititutional.

2)the new laws would give Phelps a new platform to sue, getting his organization more media coverage and a sense of legitimacy.

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Some states are trying to pass legislations so it would be illegal to protest at funerals.

i've also heard this and i disagree with the new laws for a couple reasons:

1)on the surface they seem to limit free speech and, although i'm no lawyer, seem Unconsititutional.

2)the new laws would give Phelps a new platform to sue, getting his organization more media coverage and a sense of legitimacy.

So you are okay with his actions? If it takes an act of congress to make him and his offspring stop, I don't have a problem with that. I don't need to nor would I ever protest at a funeral. Its WRONG. Doesn't matter who is dead. Its just wrong.

I can't believe you are KINDA defending this guy. Is your last name Phelps?

j

Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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I can't believe you are KINDA defending this guy. Is your last name Phelps?

Try re-reading the thread from the beginning.

And I'm not defending Phelps, I am defending the right to free speech. Who is to decide what the next "sensitive, hurtful to families" issue will be ? It is a slippery slope that should not be tread upon.

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I can't believe you are KINDA defending this guy. Is your last name Phelps?

Defending constitutionally protected free speech is not the same as agreeing with people's speech.

I'm glad that throughout history enough judges have known that. Unfortunately in modern times that's no longer been true. More and more judges are thinking feeling along the lines of jlmiracle.

And thus comes to an end the american experiment.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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Defending constitutionally protected free speech is not the same as agreeing with people's speech.

nicely put.

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