The science of sexual orientation

[narcimund 0]

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... or do anything that would make the rest of us naucious.

Bill said it but I have to chime in. If two gay people dancing make you naucious that certainly qualifies you as "anti-gay".

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For instance, most of the gay population (yourself included) tends to be on the left of every single issue.

In the words of Mark Slackmeyer, "Wrong wrong wrong."

However, you're the kind of person who gets naucious when you see a couple dance. I don't expect you to actually know ANYTHING about the subject and you continually prove me right.

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[billvon 3,071]

>All I have said is I don't want to watch them in action.

If someone said to you "I'm not racist! I once hired a black gardener. And I had no problem with him, as long as he didn't touch any white women, try to vote or do anything else that made me nauseous" - would you consider that proof that he was not a racist?

[narcimund 0]

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If someone said to you "I'm not racist! I once hired a black gardener. And I had no problem with him, as long as he didn't touch any white women, try to vote or do anything else that made me nauseous" - would you consider that proof that he was not a racist?

Your incredibly clear, direct, and pointed analogies are excellent but you really should consider administering a basic intellectual competency test before wasting your time.

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[billvon 3,071]

>but you really should consider administering a basic intellectual
>competency test before wasting your time.

Let's refrain from the thinly veiled PA's, please.

[Steel 0]

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>All I have said is I don't want to watch them in action.

If someone said to you "I'm not racist! I once hired a black gardener. And I had no problem with him, as long as he didn't touch any white women, try to vote or do anything else that made me nauseous" - would you consider that proof that he was not a racist?

Doesn't parallel, but nothing new there.
The converse of that would be, I once hired a gay person (not invited them to an event as a freind)
I had no problem with him as long as he didn't touch any gay guys, vote (nope didn't say ANY of that either) or do anything that made me naucious.
WOW that is 1 out of 4. I guess that is an improvement for you.
Now lets see if you can maybe try again and get 2 out of four this time.

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[billvon 3,071]

>Doesn't parallel, but nothing new there.

Ah, sorry. And I used a black person instead of a gay person, which makes it a horrible analogy! After all, black people aren't gay.

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Not to distract from you two bashing Steel because you have decided that he is an anti-gay bigot....

I do find it interesting that many of the people who answered my question in the negative (no, we shouldn't correct a hormonal imbalance that could result in having effeminate male children) also seem to be the people who are pro-choice.

So it's okay to kill the fetus because you don't want a kid, but it's not okay to balance their hormonal exposure? Wierd. Kinda similar to the pro-choice anti-death-penalty dichotomy.

Anyway, back to calling someone a bigot because they don't agree with what you do or think...

Oh, hello again!

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I will have you know that at my wedding 9 years ago there was a gay couple that attended. Everybody in my family knew they were gay long before they were invited, none of us cared. However, they did not dance together, hold hands, make out or do anything that would make the rest of us naucious.

Ok, so you're pro-gay... except that you don't want to see any gays or lesbians holding hands or dancing together in public. Fair enough.

[Steel 0]

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>Doesn't parallel, but nothing new there.

Ah, sorry. And I used a black person instead of a gay person, which makes it a horrible analogy! After all, black people aren't gay.

I realize this may be difficult but the point was not black or gay.
I will try very carefully to go slow enough for you here. If you wanted to replace it with a black guy instead, you wouldn't say I once hired a black guy. Hiring one and inviting him to an event as a freind are two completely different things.
Then you went on to talk about having a problem with the guy if he touched white women or voting, which would parallel a gay guy touching another one or voting. Again none of which I had said.

Then finally the one you got right as long as he did not do anything that made me nasceous, which I might add would have been at MY family gathering to which they were invited. I did not say as long as on their own time away from me they did not act in a fashion, I consider nausiating.
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Now do you understand?
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Anyway, back to calling someone a bigot because they don't agree with what you do or think...

Interesting, instead of it being an opportunity to politely educate or expose someone who's uncomfortable with an alternate life style, the self proclaimed tolerant instead choose to spray anger and hate.

Or is this just an example of those that are absolutely intolerant of those who are intolerant. OH, the ironing.

Edit: for those that can't help but pick on spelling stuff, it's a movie quote. but different than the irony of, say, getting a bruise while touring a pillow factory......

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[billvon 3,071]

>So it's okay to kill the fetus because you don't want a kid . . .

It's never OK to kill a fetus. It is always a bad choice. Sometimes it is the least of several bad choices.

>but it's not okay to balance their hormonal exposure?

Sure it's OK to balance their hormonal exposure if that exposure is dangerous to their health. No science, anywhere, has shown that a dangerous hormonal imbalance is the cause of homosexuality.

[Lindsey 0]

It IS okay for two adults to kiss in public....whatever their genders. If it nauseates you to see people kiss in public, then unfortunately it's YOU, not them, who has the need for seclusion....in your environment of like-minded people.

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[Steel 0]

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It IS okay for two adults to kiss in public....whatever their genders. If it nauseates you to see people kiss in public, then unfortunately it's YOU, not them, who has the need for seclusion....in your environment of like-minded people.

linz

In public or at a private party is the key there.
Think about what I actually said. Don't just play into how Bill Von twists everything up.
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Ok, hypothetical situation: (Sorry for getting off-topic, but I am curious.)

If someone invited you and your girlfriend to a wedding, and you knew that it would make everyone there nauseous to see the two of you hold hands or dance together, would you still go to the wedding (and keep enough distance from your girlfriend to avoid making everyone sick)?

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In public or at a private party is the key there.

It is the key... If gay friends of mine invited me and my wife to their wedding, and they didnt want us holding hands or kissing during their party, we wouldnt go, and wouldnt think of them as friends.

It is their party, so they can mingle with similarly closed minded people if they want to.

Remster

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Get out of my mind you weirdo....

Remster

[Lindsey 0]

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It IS okay for two adults to kiss in public....whatever their genders. If it nauseates you to see people kiss in public, then unfortunately it's YOU, not them, who has the need for seclusion....in your environment of like-minded people.

linz

In public or at a private party is the key there.
Think about what I actually said. Don't just play into how Bill Von twists everything up.
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I wasn't playing into anything billvon said, though I think he has a better handle on the situation than you do. I was replying to this comment by you:

Anti-gay I think implies trying to put a stop to them. All I have said is I don't want to watch them in action. For that they have the privacy or their own home or gay clubs where they have an environment of like-minded people.
That is the key like-minded people. Because people like you will otherwise try to suggest that since there is nothing wrong with the bride and groom kissing in public then why not them. Still its clearly a different story, no matter how much you wish it was it was the same.

I don't think anyone has to keep from nauseating you in order to live their lives, kissing or otherwise....

linz

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[Trent 0]

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Sure it's OK to balance their hormonal exposure if that exposure is dangerous to their health. No science, anywhere, has shown that a dangerous hormonal imbalance is the cause of homosexuality.

So I guess you'd be against doing it in cases like in the article below? It doesn't seem to be a life-threatening case. Maybe they were just "supposed" to have ambiguous development after all and doctors be damned for making them "normal".

http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2003/pdf/7511x2013.pdf

Oh, hello again!

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Get out of my mind you weirdo....

Hmm, and I don't think the old "great minds think alike" phrase will work in this particular situation...

Well, maybe if "great" is replaced with a more appropriate word...

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In public or at a private party is the key there.

It is the key... If gay friends of mine invited me and my wife to their wedding, and they didnt want us holding hands or kissing during their party, we wouldnt go, and wouldnt think of them as friends.

It is their party, so they can mingle with similarly closed minded people if they want to.

I really disagree with this.

I have friends who are gay, that are both male and female. If my relatives are going to be at an event, I ask them to be cool. They never take offense because they know that my family is about as red as you can get. They refrain out of consideration for me, even though many in my family know that they are gay. In fact, they may do something hilarious when no one but me is looking to get a laugh. If this is being anti-gay, then I guess that I'm anti-gay too...

[billvon 3,071]

>So I guess you'd be against doing it in cases like in the article below?

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia can render people infertile; that's a good reason to treat it.

[Steel 0]

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Ok, hypothetical situation: (Sorry for getting off-topic, but I am curious.)

If someone invited you and your girlfriend to a wedding, and you knew that it would make everyone there nauseous to see the two of you hold hands or dance together, would you still go to the wedding (and keep enough distance from your girlfriend to avoid making everyone sick)?

Ok that is a fair enough question so I will answer. First of all me and my girlfreind are for the most part a conventional couple so if me and her getting intimate offended somebody, then that person getting offended probably would not be able to go out into the world without getting offended.
Still although, I can't find a situation where your hypothetical situation would actually exist, I will try to picture it. Probably not, but its really hard to imagine, that my lifestyle was a counter culture. If it was then I would have grown up with a different outlook. Kind of like that Ellen Degenerous episode where everybody was gay and there was a straightown where people who weren't gay would be themselves. I think if 95% of the population was had a different orientation than me, I would have grown up to think differently about the sitaution you suggested.
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>So I guess you'd be against doing it in cases like in the article below?

Congenital adrenal hyperplasia can render people infertile; that's a good reason to treat it.

Umm...not to mention the mortality risk.... That's another good reason to treat it.

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Ok, hypothetical situation: (Sorry for getting off-topic, but I am curious.)

If someone invited you and your girlfriend to a wedding, and you knew that it would make everyone there nauseous to see the two of you hold hands or dance together, would you still go to the wedding (and keep enough distance from your girlfriend to avoid making everyone sick)?

Ok that is a fair enough question so I will answer. First of all me and my girlfreind are for the most part a conventional couple so if me and her getting intimate offended somebody, then that person getting offended probably would not be able to go out into the world without getting offended.
Still although, I can't find a situation where your hypothetical situation would actually exist, I will try to picture it. Probably not, but its really hard to imagine, that my lifestyle was a counter culture. If it was then I would have grown up with a different outlook. Kind of like that Ellen Degenerous episode where everybody was gay and there was a straightown where people who weren't gay would be themselves. I think if 95% of the population was had a different orientation than me, I would have grown up to think differently about the sitaution you suggested.
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I know it's hard to imagine, but that is the situation that most gay couples have to deal with all the time... And if you can imagine yourself in that situation, would you still go to the wedding and keep your distance from your girlfriend? Or would you choose not to hang around the kind of people who would get sick if they saw you holding her hand?

[narcimund 0]

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Interesting, instead of it being an opportunity to politely educate or expose someone who's uncomfortable with an alternate life style, the self proclaimed tolerant instead choose to spray anger and hate.

I don't see any spraying of anger or hate, although there's certainly a fair amount of disdain. Search for posts by steel and you'll see this in a slightly larger context.

Of course searching for posts by rehmwa also shows a larger context so I'll stop trying to explain now.

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