Andy9o8 2 #26 March 22, 2006 QuoteIs that the best argument you anti-gun folks have to justify this action? This suggests that for some reason, you seem to think there are only 2 kinds of people in the world: pro-gun and anti-gun, and that’s that. And you know, that’s just not necessarily the case. Moderates really do exist outside of Blogosphere. Analyzing this carefully, I think many of the confiscations may have been unconstitutional overreaching. But even if the police overreaching was unconstitutional, it was not necessarily irrational or an attempt to be dictatorial. The police saw a state of anarchy existing, saw all the shootings not just of civilians but also of rescue personnel (such as themselves) going on, knew that they were way outnumbered and under-staffed, and made the simplistic judgment that the way to reduce the number of shootings was to reduce the number of shooting-irons. Yes, that infringed on the right of lawful gun owners to protect themselves and their property; but I really think the motivation of the police wasn’t to be dictatorial, it was just to try to do something to get a handle on Dodge City under nearly impossible conditions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #27 March 23, 2006 QuoteIt is imperative for the safety of the public that in times of crisis that weapons be removed from the public. Yes it is treating everyone like a criminal, but it is for the better good of the public. There is the mind of the anti-gun public. Be scared. Be very scared. If they have their way, all some government official has to do is declare a "public emergency", and your constitutional rights are gone, whether you're guilty of anything, or not! Now we understand why they are so hesitant to explain their views. Heil Hitler! So I guess every time a hurricane approaches the coast somewhere, it's okay with you if all legally owned firearms are temporarily confiscated, until the threat passes. Then they'll all be returned to their rightful owners again. Gosh, the police are going to be awfully busy during hurricane season rounding up and delivering guns back and forth. This is a ludicrous idea. And of course, in order to search homes and confiscate guns, they have to suspend the 4th Amendment too. Oh, and while they're at it, they might as well revoke the 1st Amendment temporarily too, and seize all the TV and radio stations, and newspapers. We wouldn't want stories to get out that might cause public panic! So let's see, so far we've got the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments able to be revoked willy nilly any time someone feels like there is some kind of threat. Are there any others you would like to revoke while you're at it? And I'll bet you're one of those that doesn't like The Patriot Act... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #28 March 23, 2006 QuoteI bet one or two of the 4 did it just to piss you off, John. It's nice to know that the anti-gun folks have the integrity to vote their conscious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #29 March 23, 2006 QuoteThis suggests that for some reason, you seem to think there are only 2 kinds of people in the world: pro-gun and anti-gun. Wrong. My challenge here in this discussion, to which you are responding, was for a specific action by a specific police department during a specific weather event. I did not categorize all people into two camps on the gun issue in general. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #30 March 23, 2006 QuoteIt is imperative for the safety of the public that in times of crisis that weapons be removed from the public. Yes it is treating everyone like a criminal, but it is for the better good of the public. However, now that the crisis is taken care of, the guns should be returned to their rightful owners. what you are saying is that you support the suspension of the US Constitution for some period of time and to be declared by some politician yet unspecified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #31 March 23, 2006 Quotewhat you are saying is that you support the suspension of the US Constitution for some period of time and to be declared by some politician yet unspecified. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Imagine, every mayor and governor in America, having the power to suspend Constitutional Rights, any time they feel like it. Wow! Personally, I wouldn't trust Ray Nagin with my dog, much less my constitutional rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #32 March 23, 2006 Quote It is imperative for the safety of the public that in times of crisis that weapons be removed from the public. This has to be one of the most idiotic statements I have read in Speakers Corner. Definately in the top 10. I greatly enjoy the ownership of my guns. And while I have many guns well suited to the task of self/home protection, it is something that has never been on my mind much. If someone broke into my house with the intent to to harm I would have a hell of a time because I don't prepare for it. In other words my firearms are not usually near me and loaded. Right now my .45 operator is in my bedroom but the mags are in my truck from the last time I shot it. However.. If there was ever a time that I would argue the 2nd strictly for self defense reasons(like many on here) it would be for situations "in times of crises". Criminals were going around shooting people and rescue personal and you want to take my firearms. Fuck You! Then you give up yours to(Police, sheriffs, ect.) Never is there a more prominent need for the public to have the ability to protect themselves then in times of crises. Of course intelligent people should have all fled NO anyway. That is another point all together. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
