tcnelson 1 #76 March 22, 2006 QuoteI don't know if you refuse to understand or if you're incapable. how 'bout that...i feel the same way about you. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #77 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHe had already served in Northern Ireland, Macedonia and Afghanistan as a member of the Parachute Regiment, and his sharp mind, natural fitness and ability to cope with the stress of military operations had singled him out as ideal special forces material. Plus he had already been in the SAS a year, most likely doing some fairly nasty stuff like i said. You don't just join the SAS - you have to be at the top of the game in the regular forces, and the Paras are one of the most reknowned units within the british army. This guy had no problems with being in a combat zone. There's no way a man would go through so much effort to join an elite organization and then just back out because of principles. He probably got too scared when he was out in combat. He couldn't cut it, and needed a reason so he wouldn't be called a coward and traitor when he returned, so he made up this thing about Americans. There is no way that what he said about our military could be true. We have the greatest, most honorable military in the world, and we're over there helping the Iraqis get their freedom. It's people like this who are too pansy to do anything that are causing problems. Good riddance. Ahh excuse me, but in world ranking at least two other armies are higher up the rung than the American army (including special forces) Don't confuse the fact that just because an army has a bigger budget it means it is better. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #78 March 22, 2006 QuotePost: ------------------------------------------------------------------------In Reply To ------------------------------------------------------------------------ the maori are mostly well respected here in new zealand, the first word on the evening news is a greeting in maori. all children learn maori in school and we have never had slavery. in fact we set the pesedent of the womans vote. we are all treated equally here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do they believe this as well? It's obvious from seconds of looking that they're the equlievent to the American Indians - poor off economically and in terms of opportunity. not to hijack the thread but this statement is bullshit. Maori have more opportunity than the pakeha, if they want to study, the fees are heavily if not fully subsidised by thier Iwi, and there are slots left exclusively for maori in many subjects, they need less grades to be accepted into university and any sport they do well in they get a scholarship. I wish i had some maori blood, I wouldn't have to pay to go to the worlds."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #79 March 22, 2006 It never ceases to amaze me... but as soon as a thread on here gets the slightest wiff of testosterone (sp) the thread turns in to a dick comparison contest.... my regiment/unit is better than yours and is in fact the best in the world....... yawn. Ben Griffen wasn't saying that the SAS is better than the yanks SFs. He is saying that there is a lot of shite happening and he doesn't want to be associated with it. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #80 March 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe had already served in Northern Ireland, Macedonia and Afghanistan as a member of the Parachute Regiment, and his sharp mind, natural fitness and ability to cope with the stress of military operations had singled him out as ideal special forces material. Plus he had already been in the SAS a year, most likely doing some fairly nasty stuff like i said. You don't just join the SAS - you have to be at the top of the game in the regular forces, and the Paras are one of the most reknowned units within the british army. This guy had no problems with being in a combat zone. There's no way a man would go through so much effort to join an elite organization and then just back out because of principles. He probably got too scared when he was out in combat. He couldn't cut it, and needed a reason so he wouldn't be called a coward and traitor when he returned, so he made up this thing about Americans. There is no way that what he said about our military could be true. We have the greatest, most honorable military in the world, and we're over there helping the Iraqis get their freedom. It's people like this who are too pansy to do anything that are causing problems. Good riddance. Ahh excuse me, but in world ranking at least two other armies are higher up the rung than the American army (including special forces) Don't confuse the fact that just because an army has a bigger budget it means it is better. I'm not talking about a bigger buget. I'm talking about bigger ball-sizes. I'm talking about balls that clink when they hit each other because they're made of solid steel. There is no contest.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #81 March 22, 2006 Ha....Ha.. <> - not very stealthy for an SF crew... all those balls and spurs clinking (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #82 March 22, 2006 Quotenot very stealthy for an SF crew... all those balls and spurs clinking See the Para's and SF are Airborne... so they are not making noise in the air.. since they are not doing all that LEGG shite Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #83 March 22, 2006 I've heard similar comments from British Soldiers of various ranks since Iraq began and before. He's just saying in public whats said in private. Good luck to him.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #84 March 23, 2006 QuoteNo, what you have is someone that's been in the military for... what, 2-3 years, gets sent to a combat zone and then suddenly has the epiphany that he's a conscientous objector? Sorry, I stand by original statement - if he can't hack the duty, he needs to get out of the military. Looks like he did - good for him and good for the military. you gotta be joking me, you're selling this guy short because *you say* he wasn't in the SAS long enough. obviously he just got cold feet and went home crying to mommy, right? try again: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/12/nsas12.xml It immediately brought to an end Mr Griffin's exemplary, eight-year career in which he also served with the Parachute Regiment, taking part in operations in Northern Ireland, Macedonia and Afghanistan. hmm, lets see, 8yrs in. Parachute Regiment. At least 3 tours in combat zones. 1 tour practically in the same neighborhood...yup, definitely a pansy who got cold feet... Instead, he was discharged with a testimonial describing him as a "balanced, honest, loyal and determined individual who possesses the strength of character to have the courage of his convictions". and rather than bouncing him out they send him off with a hand shake and nice words. sounds to me like he was, at the very least, an above average soldier and his commander's recognized this. seems to me like we're having a harder and harder time calling this guy a pansy... Last night Patrick Mercer, the shadow minister for homeland security, said: "Trooper Griffin is a highly experienced soldier. This makes his decision particularly disturbing and his views and opinions must be listened to by the Government." lastly, you've got a government official, in an executive defense role. confirming his service record. wow, it's gonna be a tough sell if you continue to label him as "not being able to hack the duty" btw, there's is a big difference between the traditional term of conscientous objector - which is normally reserved for those individuals that *despise* war and violence in general, and someone who has done previous tours of duties in combat zones and decided that this conflict is "illegal". here's a hint toward the difference, one is very broad and it covers *war in general*. the other is very specific, and it focuses on *one specific conflict*. so what say you? is this man just a pansy who couldn't hack it?Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #85 March 23, 2006 >I don't know if you refuse to understand or if you're incapable. Enough with the veiled PA's already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 March 23, 2006 First off...I'd say the original post didn't state how long he'd been in the military. Still, you have a guy that decided to chuck it after three months in Iraq... still sounds like he decided to become a CO to me....what else would you call it, if he didn't finish out his tour?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #87 March 23, 2006 Maybe he had a moral objection to the situation he was in and decided to stand by the courage of his convictions, like the original article described. It doesn't make him a coward, exactly the opposite in fact.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #88 March 23, 2006 QuoteMaybe he had a moral objection to the situation he was in and decided to stand by the courage of his convictions, like the original article described. It doesn't make him a coward, exactly the opposite in fact. So the British military allows soldiers to just chuck it in and discharges them, or something similar? I didn't know that they could do that - in the U.S. military, they have to declare themself a CO, and even then it's not a guaranteed out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #89 March 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteMaybe he had a moral objection to the situation he was in and decided to stand by the courage of his convictions, like the original article described. It doesn't make him a coward, exactly the opposite in fact. So the British military allows soldiers to just chuck it in and discharges them, or something similar? I didn't know that they could do that - in the U.S. military, they have to declare themself a CO, and even then it's not a guaranteed out. I think he paid tons of dues ...have you?----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #90 March 23, 2006 I spoke to a friend who is in the same organization as the man in question, no they don't just let you out and this action could have caused an RTU, which is a huge disgrace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #91 March 23, 2006 QuoteI spoke to a friend who is in the same organization as the man in question, no they don't just let you out and this action could have caused an RTU, which is a huge disgrace. I think you meant to reply to our warrior in Kosovo. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #92 March 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteMaybe he had a moral objection to the situation he was in and decided to stand by the courage of his convictions, like the original article described. It doesn't make him a coward, exactly the opposite in fact. So the British military allows soldiers to just chuck it in and discharges them, or something similar? I didn't know that they could do that - in the U.S. military, they have to declare themself a CO, and even then it's not a guaranteed out. I think he paid tons of dues ...have you? What did you say your rank, branch and specialty was, again? I don't think I caught mention of it. I've spent the last 22 years either in the military or directly supporting them in the field.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #93 March 23, 2006 QuoteI think he paid tons of dues ...have you? QuoteWhat did you say your rank, branch and specialty was, again? I don't think I caught mention of it. Well now pardner, I'm not the one dissing an honorable man, now am I? QuoteI've spent the last 22 years either in the military or directly supporting them in the field. Directly supporting them in the field, wow! That must be a tough row to hoe! Here you are, out there, putting your life on the line, dodging bullets and mortar shells; suffering hardships and hazzards most of us cannot imagine. And yet, crouched over your keyboard, with live fire ripping up your office, you take the time to enlighten us lesser civilian folk as to what does and does not constitute a patriot?!?!? My point being, your disrespect for a man who payed his dues and acted in accordance with his conscience seems out of line, and coming from someone 'directly supporting troops in the field' seems particularly bad form. Go get em, tiger! Make America safe!----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 March 23, 2006 QuoteWell now pardner, I'm not the one dissing an honorable man, now am I? Actually, you are...but that's just *MY* opinion. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #95 March 23, 2006 QuoteThat's total BS. It's the liberal media making up stories to further their agenda. Our military would never do something like that. No? Does the name "My Lai" ring a bell? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #96 March 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteThat's total BS. It's the liberal media making up stories to further their agenda. Our military would never do something like that. No? Does the name "My Lai" ring a bell? No it doesn't. Not at all. You making something up again? Will you please stop doing this? Our great and fearless military is being hated on all over the world because of people like you.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #97 March 23, 2006 QuoteNo? Does the name "My Lai" ring a bell? ------------------------------ No it doesn't. Not at all. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. This was NOT one of our finest moments. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/my_lai.html On March 16, 1968 the angry and frustrated men of Charlie Company, 11th Brigade, Americal Division entered the Vietnamese village of My Lai. "This is what you've been waiting for -- search and destroy -- and you've got it," said their superior officers. A short time later the killing began. When news of the atrocities surfaced, it sent shockwaves through the U.S. political establishment, the military's chain of command, and an already divided American public Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #98 March 23, 2006 QuoteSo the British military allows soldiers to just chuck it in and discharges them, or something similar? I don't know, but it's just been announced that an RAF doctor who refused to go to Iraq will be court martialled.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #99 March 23, 2006 Dude. Awesome post. HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoneycase 0 #100 March 23, 2006 QuoteFirst off...I'd say the original post didn't state how long he'd been in the military. Still, you have a guy that decided to chuck it after three months in Iraq... still sounds like he decided to become a CO to me....what else would you call it, if he didn't finish out his tour? So you're ready to concede that 8 yrs in is a significant amount of service, no? You ready to admit that 3 tours in different combat zones is "enough" by your standards? You make him out to be a CO who's never seen a bullet before. Someone who landed in Iraq, spent 2 nights there and ran home. Did you miss the part where it said he did a tour in Afghanistan? I realize the two aren't the exactly the same, but I would think that there are enough similarities to get the point across... Fact of the matter is a CO probably "goes CO" well before they've been in 8 yrs, and been in 3 different combat zones. A CO doesn't make it to into "the elite". A CO doesn't get glowing words written about him from his commanding officers. You want to sell him short, fine go ahead. I won't. Fortunately, it doesn't look like his country sold him short, nor did his commanding officers - fancy that...wonder why...Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
