kallend 2,088 #51 April 4, 2006 QuoteYeah, that's the half empty part. The half full part is the part about him receiving his education at a university that was founded by the same Church. It's not black and white. The Church screwed up a whole lot, but the Church is largely responsible for the scholastic systems that developed into our contemporary education systems. It was not all smooth sailing, but without the Church we would probably not have modern universities. So in that way, it has made contributions to science that are immensely significant, if indirect. Modern universities did not come about until after the time of Galileo. If you look at the fields of study at Pisa, Bologna, Paris, Oxford, Cambridge etc. prior to the 15th century, they were overwhelmingly ecclesiastical. They also disallowed original research and scholarship, while promoting only church-approved theories. In terms of understanding of science and mathematics, the world of 1400AD was behind the world of 50BC... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 April 4, 2006 QuoteDoesn't help, and may make them worse. What if you pray for them to get worse? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #53 April 4, 2006 Quote Modern universities did not come about until after the time of Galileo. If you look at the fields of study at Pisa, Bologna, Paris, Oxford, Cambridge etc. prior to the 15th century, they were overwhelmingly ecclesiastical. They also disallowed original research and scholarship, while promoting only church-approved theories. No argument there. But through them the Church reintroduced logic and reason into society, and even though the Church did not always approve of the product it's hard to imagine what would have happened without them. If the Church deserves blame for pruning excessively, it also deserves credit for planting the seeds. IMO anyway.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
