Motorist Opens Fire on Hell's Angels

[warpedskydiver 0]

Motorist Opens Fire on Hell's Angels
By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer
1 hour ago

WEST HAVEN, Conn. - A motorist opened fire on a group of Hell's Angels motorcyclists along Interstate 95, killing one and injuring another, police said.

The bikers were traveling near West Haven around 3:30 p.m. Sunday when they were shot, said State Police spokesman Sgt. J. Paul Vance.

Police were considering a number of possible motives including road rage, and authorities across the Northeast were alerted to look for a green GMC sport-utility vehicle with Florida plates, Vance said. He said police believe four men were in the vehicle.

One of the bikers, Roger Mariani, 61, of Stratford, pulled over before realizing he had been shot in the upper torso, Vance said. He later died at the Yale-New Haven Hospital.

The injured biker, Paul Carrol, 37, of Bridgeport, was grazed by a bullet, treated at the hospital and released, Vance said.

Members of the motorcycle club gathered at Yale-New Haven Hospital Sunday night, prompting police to station officers there to keep order, though police spokeswoman Bonnie Winchester said there were no incidents at the hospital.

The investigation snarled highway traffic for hours, bringing cars to a standstill on Interstate 95. Vance urged anyone who witnessed the shooting or anything suspicious in the area to call police.

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I think the perpetrator may fair better by just turning himself in so at least he can stand trial.

I also think the perps will have some excuse for this

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[freethefly 6]

I hope the Angels catch these fuckheads before the cops do and chainwhip them then slice their fucking balls off and shove them down their fucking throats. Guranteed these assholes have just signed their death certificates. All four in that SUV deserve to die in the worst way. Anything less would be an injustice. Only an idiot would fuck with the Big Red 81. If these fucknuts are not fearing for their lifes, they should be and will be when the Angels get their hands on them.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[rehmwa 2]

What if the HA's were threatening the SUV or worse? Then would they have been justified to shoot? The article is kind of written like these were just randomly firing into the HA's.

Either way, vigilante justice is a terrible thing to advocate. For either the SUV passengers or the HAs.

If everyone agreed with your post, I'd be looking for random beatings of families and travelers who just 'happen' to be in green SUVs to escalate.

Edit: IF we can just all agree that guns and SUVs both were the cause, then we'll get somewhere

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[mnealtx 0]

Ah, so preemptive action is fine for the Hell's Angels, but not for the (current) administration? Fine display of hipocracy you've got going on, therre...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kelpdiver 2]

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What if the HA's were threatening the SUV or worse? Then would they have been justified to shoot? The article is kind of written like these were just randomly firing into the HA's.

Probably not, given the huge mass differential. It's possible.

A lot of these vehicle-biker melees (which generally end up badly for the biker) start with some sort of yielding slight, then an exchange of words or hand gestures, and then an escalation. If one side would back off, the situation would subside. But neither do, and someone ends up dead.

With absolutely no knowledge beyond what was presented here, that would be my initial suspicion. The bikers are likely not entirely innocent, and the SUV guys are acted not out of fear but rather in anger. Which translates to manslaugher.

[LargeBoy 0]

there's a night club/live band venue in the town i'm from.... back in the 80's it got took over by the Hells Angels. what a total bunch of wank stains they were !!!!

If they wern't pissing on each others girlfriends, they were beating up anybody who looked at them the wrong way

I used to be a rocker back in the 80's, this club used to have a heavy metal night every friday night, you'd get 2 to 3 thousand rockers/metal heads in there. One night i was standing near one of the bars with the lads, when a Hells Angel pushed past and knocked the pint out of a mates hand.... all my mate did as look to see who did it, and that was enough for him to be dragged into a back room and beaten almost to a pulp by about 10 Hells Fuckwits. I've heard many more stories about what those "rebels without a clue" used to get up to, none of them show the Hells Cocksuckers in any good light

how brave of them to all beat up an 18 year old lad, bet they gave each other and extra dousing of piss that night in celebration

I fail to see why some people hold twats like them in high regard

[justinb138 0]

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The bikers are likely not entirely innocent, and the SUV guys are acted not out of fear but rather in anger. Which translates to manslaugher.

manslaughter? I'd guess murder & attempted murder.

[Richards 0]

Probably not a random act of violence as most normal people do not arbitrarily shoot at Hells Angels. More likely a rival bike club and there is an overlap of territory which is creating friction. These boys do not always play well together in the sandbox.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[Remster 30]

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These boys do not always play well together in the sandbox.

What do you mean? Are they more then simply a friendly motorcycle club?

Remster

[Richards 0]

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What do you mean? Are they more then simply a friendly motorcycle club

I seem to recall there have been some difficulties between tem and other clubs in the past. I won't take sides on the debate (misunderstood rebels vs organized crime) because I don't know any of them, and have no insight. It is fairly obvious though, that these guys in the biker world have a wee tendency to get a bit rough with each other at times.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[jakee 1,500]

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Ah, so preemptive action is fine for the Hell's Angels, but not for the (current) administration? Fine display of hipocracy you've got going on, therre...

While I totally, totally disagree with freethefly's post, what exactly is pre-emptive about seeking revenge for something that has already happened?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,998]

>Ah, so preemptive action is fine for the Hell's Angels, but not for the
> (current) administration? Fine display of hipocracy you've got going
> on, therre...

You got it backwards there. The guy in the SUV was taking pre-emptive action against a band of bikers known for violence. If they retaliate, that's reaction, not pre-emption.

[mnealtx 0]

I apologize for not being clearer in my original post.

What I meant by preemptive action was the Angels taking matters into their own hands instead of the cops.

Said action, naturally, is just fine and dandy when it's a criminal outlaw gang, I suppose.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 2,998]

>What I meant by preemptive action was the Angels taking matters
>into their own hands instead of the cops.

Again, that's REaction, not pre-emptive action.

[freethefly 6]

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What if the HA's were threatening the SUV or worse? Then would they have been justified to shoot? The article is kind of written like these were just randomly firing into the HA's.

I have ridden with a few clubs and never have I ever seen anyone just outright harrass any straights. I have been to a number of HA runs and never seen any violence. You are flat out told to keep your attitude to yourself or pay for your bullshit if you get out of line. As for the post about clubs fighting each other, that is pretty much in the past except for a few here and there differences. That kinda crap went on in the St. Louis area for a good number of years. Now the HA, Outlaws, Road Saints and Saddle Tramps often do runs together to promote peace amongst them. The likelihood that the Angels provoked this shooting is slim due to clubs try to not draw attention (kinda hard not to when you have colors and rolling in a pack) as they know that the law is keeping an eye on them. What most people who have never lived in world of the 1% knows about that world is what they have seen on a movie screen, Hollywood bullshit. True there are drugs, booze and some fighting (same crap you find in all lifestyles if you look hard enough), but for the most part it is just a group of people who ride and love their bikes and the feeling they get from it along with the brotherhood and respect towards each other. I don't know who provoked this shooting, although I am almost certian that the Angels did not as they realized that they are almost always under the gaze of the Feds. As for the fucknuts who pulled the trigger, their best bet is to turn themselves in before anyone of the brothers get a hand on them. Justice at the hands of the enforcers ( a good number of these guys come from special forces units) is not nice.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[KidWicked 0]

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I hope the Angels catch these fuckheads before the cops do and chainwhip them then slice their fucking balls off and shove them down their fucking throats. Guranteed these assholes have just signed their death certificates. All four in that SUV deserve to die in the worst way. Anything less would be an injustice.

There's something wrong with you.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[freethefly 6]

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I hope the Angels catch these fuckheads before the cops do and chainwhip them then slice their fucking balls off and shove them down their fucking throats. Guranteed these assholes have just signed their death certificates. All four in that SUV deserve to die in the worst way. Anything less would be an injustice.

There's something wrong with you.

You have no right to say that. You do not know me. Nor do you know the people that I consider to be brothers. These wads who shot the brothers on 95 have the problem and the word is out judging from a number of 81 websites. For their sake, they best hope that the cops get them first. Several first-hand accounts say they were just riding when shots were fired at them. There is something wrong with those who fired the shots and I hope they get what they deserve. If it was only the shooter who intended this I hope the other three turn him in and save face. If all 4 intended this then they will get what they get, either from the court or from the Angels. Either way they are dead. In prison they will most definitly be done in as on the street. Either way they stepped off the line. Period.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Guest]

So all the news stories about the bikee gangs running meth labs (and various other other recreational pharmeceuticals) and prostitution rings is all baloney. Okay - glad we cleared that up.

[LargeBoy 0]

"brothers" i love it when people talk about a load of cocksuckers in fond terms

big macho Hells Angels, all just wanting to be left alone to do their own thing..... i suppose Peter Fonda is their hero too !!!

The sooner vermin like them are stamped out the better, and why do they ride pathetic motorbikes? Harleys are slow, don't handle well and only look ok if you're a filthy, beard wearing, piss soaked old man.... oh, now i see why they still ride them

Good old Hells Angels, not stuck in the past living some kind of American Dream are they !!! no sir, not at all

[rehmwa 2]

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More likely a rival bike club and there is an overlap of territory which is creating friction.

Rival bike club? Riding a green SUV.

My only real issue with the one post was approval of potential vigilante actions and beating the shooters to a pulp. But if the HAs are as harmless as FtF says, then they'll report to the cops and let the cops deal with it. Or if they find the guys, they turn them over to the cops, not beat them to death.

That's not the impression he gave and it is wrong . "Justice" is not EVER defined by some group taking action outside the law. That's a completely different thing than justice - he's talking about retribution, closure, revenge, etc but much more selfish terms than what justice is. We've all had these discussions, it is the difference in a mature view of justice vs a school yard view.

The shooters need to be caught, tried and jailed for their criminal actions, even executed by the state for a random act of murder if that's the law and that's what the facts bear out. That would justice.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Richards 0]

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Rival bike club? Riding a green SUV.

Very realistic actually. When outlaw bikers want to do a hit they do not advertise that it is a club sanctioned hit by having guys hop on their Harleys and carry out the shooting while wearing colours. That would be foolish. These guys opt for deniability nowadays, so a non-impressive common vehicle (green SUV) would be perfect. A rival club could very likely get a few prospects who are not full members (who want to become members), and send them off in a stolen green SUV with no-one wearing biker paraphanilia and have them carry out the shooting. This does not say that that is what happened, but it is far more plausible than you may think.

The average Joe does not normally arbitrarily (or even in the heat of the moment) open fire on Bikers given their propensity for homicidal violence.

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The shooters need to be caught, tried and jailed for their criminal actions, even executed by the state for a random act of murder if that's the law and that's what the facts bear out. That would justice.

[justinb138 0]

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"brothers" i love it when people talk about a load of cocksuckers in fond terms

big macho Hells Angels, all just wanting to be left alone to do their own thing..... i suppose Peter Fonda is their hero too !!!

The sooner vermin like them are stamped out the better, and why do they ride pathetic motorbikes? Harleys are slow, don't handle well and only look ok if you're a filthy, beard wearing, piss soaked old man.... oh, now i see why they still ride them

Good old Hells Angels, not stuck in the past living some kind of American Dream are they !!! no sir, not at all

Do you believe everything you see on TV?

[Gravitymaster 0]

**Update**


Police: Two Hell's Angels members arrested in Enfield may have been seeking retribution for fatal shooting
By:Max Heuer, Journal Inquirer
04/04/2006

ENFIELD - Two Andover men affiliated with the Hell's Angels motorcycle gang were arrested Sunday on weapons charges in what local police believe may have been an attempt at retribution against a rival gang for the fatal shooting of a Hell's Angels leader on Interstate 95 in West Haven earlier that day, Chief Carl Sferrazza said.

State police have not made any arrest in the West Haven shooting and have not said that the rival Outlaw Motorcycle Club, which has a chapter in Enfield, is suspected in the incident.

"There is certainly the possibility here, not the absolute certainty, but certainly the probability that these individuals were here to cause some harm perhaps to some of the Outlaw (Motorcycle Club) members in town," Sferrazza said today. "We're not sure if that was the case or not, but it's a logical probability based on what happened earlier."

Of the two motorcycle gangs, Sferrazza said, "It is common knowledge the Hell's Angels and Outlaw gangs are not friendly."

Police found a variety of personal property with Hell's Angels logos and tattoos on the men, Trevor Delaware, 35, and Jeffrey Richard, 39, of 150 Longhill Road in Andover when they were arrested about 10 p.m., Sferrazza said. The arrests came about 6½ hours after the fatal shooting on I-95.

They also turned up part of a police gang intelligence-training manual that identified 10 Connecticut members of the Outlaw Motorcycle Club, Sferrazza said.
Sgt. Thomas Foy stopped the men after noticing their car in a municipal parking lot about 10 p.m. on Sunday, Sferrazza said.

The men were stopped on a seatbelt violation but police quickly determined the license plates were reported stolen in East Haven, Sferrazza said. Police also turned up a cache of weapons in the vehicle, including a softball bat, a bent golf club, a wooden club, and a loaded handgun that was licensed to Richard.

Police also found gloves and masks, Sferrazza said.
One weapon found on the men, a ball-peen hammer, is believed to be a "weapon of choice" for the Hell Angel's, Sferrazza said.

The department has since been in touch with the FBI and the state police gang crime unit, Sferrazza said.
The incident occurred hours after the fatal shooting Sunday afternoon on I-95 in West Haven of a Stratford man identified as a Hell's Angels leader who'd been riding his motorcycle on the highway.

The man, Roger Mariani, 61, was killed and fellow
motorcyclist Paul Carrol, 37, of Bridgeport was injured in the shooting, which occurred about 3:30 p.m., police have said.

Delaware and Richard, the men arrested in Enfield, were charged with possession of weapons in a motor vehicle and possession of a stolen license plate, Sferrazza said.
Delaware also is charged with possession of narcotics, possession of marijuana, and possession of drug paraphernalia, Sferrazza said.

Delaware was released on a $10,000 surety bond and Richard was released on a $5,000 surety bond, he said. Both are scheduled to appear in Superior Court on April 11.

"Their story was they stopped to go to the bathroom in the parking lot, but initially they said they were here to look up a common friend," Sferrazza said. "They were unwilling or unable to say who that was."

State police still were looking for a GMC sport utility vehicle with Florida plates in connection with the I-95 killing. They believe four men were inside the vehicle.

They also were looking into the possibility that the shootings occurred during an altercation between the motorcyclists, who were riding in a group, and the people in the SUV.
Specialists in gang activity are reviewing the case.

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[masterrig 1]

There's a lot of information, left-out of this story. What struck me was the fact it was on I-95, a North-South route. The van had Florida plates. A lot of drugs move along that stretch of road, out of Florida. Also, it was early in the morning, about 3:30. I don't think, those bikers had a whole lot of energy and were looking for a fight. Sounds like someone in the van got 'trigger happy'. Personally, I need more information before I make-up my mind. Just because those bikers have aquired a bad reputation, to pre-judge them is to make a generalization. It's not fair to the bikers. Just my thoughts.
For the heck of it, The 'original' Hell's angels were formed by former U.S. Army Air Corps pilots, in California. Their intent, originally was to be a club of folks who liked riding motorcycles. They held a lot of motorcycle 'contests'. There was an 'incident' in Hollister, California, when they rode through and took a rest stop. A newspaper reporter had one of the bikers lean against a pole and had other bikers pile-up empty beer bottles around his feet. That picture made it to Life magazine and the reputation of the Hell's Angels, was born. The Angels, kinda 'promoted' themselves also, after that.
The movie, 'Wild One's', with Marlon Brando, added fuel to the fire.


Chuck

[freethefly 6]

***The shooters need to be caught, tried and jailed for their criminal actions, even executed by the state for a random act of murder if that's the law and that's what the facts bear out. That would justice.

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You are right and my initial response is wrong. For the sake of all chapters I hope that this is not between the HA and Outlaws as they have a long standing truce and have been getting along great throughout the midwest. I would hate to see this kind of crap spill into the St. Louis area and end the great runs that they sponser together.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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