Gravitymaster 0 #101 April 14, 2006 Quote>Wrong then, wrong now. Sorry, those pesky facts again: 1920: foreign-born people made up 15% of the population. 2003: foreign-born made up 11.7% of the population. We have considerably lower immigration rates now than we did during the earlier part of the 20th century, even counting illegal immigrants. We survived then; we will survive now with a lower immigration rate. (It's a good thing we _did_ have such high rates back then; the families of many of us, me included, came over then.) Changing the numbers to %'s in an effort to be right, doesn't make it so. The fact is Kennedy said Quote"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually". Do you deny this was a lie? Whether or not we can survive or not isn't the point. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #102 April 14, 2006 >Changing the numbers to %'s in an effort to be right, doesn't make it so. ?? The numbers speak for themselves. If your fear is that our culture will be "washed away" by new immigrants, we are at less risk now than we were in 1920. >Do you deny this was a lie? What's the GOP term used when a republican says something untrue? "Bad intelligence?" Teddy just got bad intelligence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #103 April 14, 2006 Quote>Changing the numbers to %'s in an effort to be right, doesn't make it so. Quote?? The numbers speak for themselves. If your fear is that our culture will be "washed away" by new immigrants, we are at less risk now than we were in 1920. I'm not concerned about immigrants. I'm concerned about people whose first act crossing our borders is to commit a crime. I'm concerned about people who come to the US without permission and use the infrastructure we and our ancestors paid for thru taxes without our permission. >Do you deny this was a lie? QuoteWhat's the GOP term used when a republican says something untrue? "Bad intelligence?" Teddy just got bad intelligence. I'm only using a well accepted SC standard. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #104 April 14, 2006 >I'm not concerned about immigrants. I'm concerned about people whose >first act crossing our borders is to commit a crime. Hmm, I guess I don't share that concern. If someone steals a car, I really don't care where they are from. It's just as wrong, and they should be prosecuted the same way. >I'm concerned about > people who come to the US without permission and use the infrastructure >we and our ancestors paid for thru taxes without our permission. Agreed there. So make it legal for them to come in, and tax them. >I'm only using a well accepted SC standard. Fair enough. Kennedy is as much a liar as Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #105 April 14, 2006 Quote>I'm not concerned about immigrants. I'm concerned about people whose >first act crossing our borders is to commit a crime. QuoteHmm, I guess I don't share that concern. If someone steals a car, I really don't care where they are from. It's just as wrong, and they should be prosecuted the same way. I didn't say I was concerned about where they were from. Stop putting words in my mouth. Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and eating your food? They could just claim to be "Undocumented Guests." >I'm concerned about > people who come to the US without permission and use the infrastructure >we and our ancestors paid for thru taxes without our permission. QuoteAgreed there. So make it legal for them to come in, and tax them. No problem, but you already knew that b/c we've had this discussion before. >I'm only using a well accepted SC standard. QuoteFair enough. Kennedy is as much a liar as Bush. Fair enough...... - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #106 April 14, 2006 Quote>Wrong then, wrong now. Sorry, those pesky facts again: 1920: foreign-born people made up 15% of the population. 2003: foreign-born made up 11.7% of the population. We have considerably lower immigration rates now than we did during the earlier part of the 20th century, even counting illegal immigrants. We survived then; we will survive now with a lower immigration rate. (It's a good thing we _did_ have such high rates back then; the families of many of us, me included, came over then.) Bill take those percentages and multiply them by the actual population at that time and you will see a huge difference...you are understating the numbers of immigrants by a great deal here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #107 April 14, 2006 Quote"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.) -Senator Ted Kennedy on the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Bill. Wrong then, wrong now. _______________________________________ I'd believe it more if, that quote came from Bullwinkle Moose! Ted Kennedy hasn't taken a non-flammable piss in 30-yrs. Naw, I just can't bring myself to accept anything Ted Kennedy says as the truth. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #108 April 14, 2006 >Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found >a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and >eating your food? Nope. I'd be just as concerned if they were part of an LA gang as if they were from Mexico. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #109 April 14, 2006 >Bill take those percentages and multiply them by the actual > population at that time and you will see a huge difference... Of course. But if you are worried about immigrants "taking over our culture" - that is less of a risk now than it was in 1920. In 1920, for every 100 people in a town, 15 were likely immigrants (on average.) Today 11 people are likely immigrants. That equates to less cultural impact. The absolute numbers, of course, are higher today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #110 April 14, 2006 Quote>Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found >a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and >eating your food? Nope. I'd be just as concerned if they were part of an LA gang as if they were from Mexico. So you are equating violent LA gangs with peaceful illegals from Mexico? WOW. I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less concerned about peaceful immigrants. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #111 April 14, 2006 Lost in all of this talk is the new US law to promote national security which will start taking effect in December 2006 (for all travelers arriving by air or by sea) and in December 2007 (for all travelers arriving by land) in that everyone choosing to enter the USA (this includes US citizens) will need to possess a valid passport or equivalent security ID (details of this ID to be named later). Requiring a valid passport/ID to cross a border is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Our borders do need some security. But it's a little ironic that the US government is willing to screen all travelers who enter through normal border crossing while they ignore the daily deluge of human traffic by the thousands over their largely undefended southern border. Why is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world like they have been doing in South Korea for years and yet they are either unwilling or just incapable of defending their own borders? If you want to address your national security concerns, here's the place to start. Stop the daily deluge of human traffic across your border. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #112 April 14, 2006 QuoteRequiring a valid passport/ID to cross a border is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. ...... Why is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world .... and yet they are either unwilling ..of defending their own borders? GOOD CALL ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #113 April 14, 2006 >So you are equating violent LA gangs with peaceful illegals from Mexico? WOW. You're assuming all gangs are violent? WOW. Ever met the Gang Green folks? >I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less >concerned about peaceful immigrants. I suppose I feel similar. But I don't really care where they are from; I would care about why they're there and what they are doing. (This has something to do with immigration - how?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #114 April 14, 2006 QuoteEver met the Gang Green folks? Bad example, they are VERY scary. If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Like I said, very very scary. Nobody really "scoops up" Bob or Miles as it were. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #115 April 14, 2006 >If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very >cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Right, like you're Mr. Brave. She'd fire one of her Mary faces off at you (see below) and you'd spill the beer and run away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #116 April 14, 2006 Quote>If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very >cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Right, like you're Mr. Brave. She'd fire one of her Mary faces off at you (see below) and you'd spill the beer and run away. I'm bringing that to the airport tomorrow and tell her you gave it to me. And also taping it to the headboard. Kim won't mind. I don't think..... And I'd never spill the beer. That just wrong. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #117 April 14, 2006 Excellent.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #118 April 14, 2006 QuoteWhy is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world like they have been doing in South Korea for years and yet they are either unwilling or just incapable of defending their own borders? Well, for starters, the Korean border is defended by such means as land mines and machine gun emplacements. And, it's only about 200 miles long, about 1/10 the length of the Mexican border. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #119 April 14, 2006 QuoteWell, for starters, the Korean border is defended by such means as land mines and machine gun emplacements. And, it's only about 200 miles long, about 1/10 the length of the Mexican border. I thought we were talking about the Canadian border.... or some guy named Earl hunting bears along the Canadian border.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #120 April 15, 2006 >I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less >concerned about peaceful immigrants. QuoteI suppose I feel similar. But I don't really care where they are from; I would care about why they're there and what they are doing. (This has something to do with immigration - how?) See, I don't care why they are there or what they are doing (unless of course, they are painting my house or installing new siding) I don't want anyone in my house unless they are invited. I don't want anyone uninvited in my country. My ancestors fought wars to help make the US what it is and I don't want uninvited, Johnny-Come-Latelys' disrespecting our borders, breaking into the country, and hopping on the bandwagon unless we give them permission. Oh, you brought up the LA Gangs. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #121 April 16, 2006 QuackWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #122 April 17, 2006 >I find it hard to believe that a lot of them want to become American > citizens. . . .they will not assimilate with American culture (you know > they've been in the states more than 1 year, yet still no need to > speak English or pay taxes like everyone else?) As a follow-up to this, I did want to point out that tens of thousands actually _do_ pay their taxes. Apparently there is a way to pay taxes without establishing your citizenship status. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taxes17apr17,1,7503280.story?track=rss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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billvon 2,991 #104 April 14, 2006 >I'm not concerned about immigrants. I'm concerned about people whose >first act crossing our borders is to commit a crime. Hmm, I guess I don't share that concern. If someone steals a car, I really don't care where they are from. It's just as wrong, and they should be prosecuted the same way. >I'm concerned about > people who come to the US without permission and use the infrastructure >we and our ancestors paid for thru taxes without our permission. Agreed there. So make it legal for them to come in, and tax them. >I'm only using a well accepted SC standard. Fair enough. Kennedy is as much a liar as Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #105 April 14, 2006 Quote>I'm not concerned about immigrants. I'm concerned about people whose >first act crossing our borders is to commit a crime. QuoteHmm, I guess I don't share that concern. If someone steals a car, I really don't care where they are from. It's just as wrong, and they should be prosecuted the same way. I didn't say I was concerned about where they were from. Stop putting words in my mouth. Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and eating your food? They could just claim to be "Undocumented Guests." >I'm concerned about > people who come to the US without permission and use the infrastructure >we and our ancestors paid for thru taxes without our permission. QuoteAgreed there. So make it legal for them to come in, and tax them. No problem, but you already knew that b/c we've had this discussion before. >I'm only using a well accepted SC standard. QuoteFair enough. Kennedy is as much a liar as Bush. Fair enough...... - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #106 April 14, 2006 Quote>Wrong then, wrong now. Sorry, those pesky facts again: 1920: foreign-born people made up 15% of the population. 2003: foreign-born made up 11.7% of the population. We have considerably lower immigration rates now than we did during the earlier part of the 20th century, even counting illegal immigrants. We survived then; we will survive now with a lower immigration rate. (It's a good thing we _did_ have such high rates back then; the families of many of us, me included, came over then.) Bill take those percentages and multiply them by the actual population at that time and you will see a huge difference...you are understating the numbers of immigrants by a great deal here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #107 April 14, 2006 Quote"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.) -Senator Ted Kennedy on the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Bill. Wrong then, wrong now. _______________________________________ I'd believe it more if, that quote came from Bullwinkle Moose! Ted Kennedy hasn't taken a non-flammable piss in 30-yrs. Naw, I just can't bring myself to accept anything Ted Kennedy says as the truth. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #108 April 14, 2006 >Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found >a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and >eating your food? Nope. I'd be just as concerned if they were part of an LA gang as if they were from Mexico. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #109 April 14, 2006 >Bill take those percentages and multiply them by the actual > population at that time and you will see a huge difference... Of course. But if you are worried about immigrants "taking over our culture" - that is less of a risk now than it was in 1920. In 1920, for every 100 people in a town, 15 were likely immigrants (on average.) Today 11 people are likely immigrants. That equates to less cultural impact. The absolute numbers, of course, are higher today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #110 April 14, 2006 Quote>Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found >a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and >eating your food? Nope. I'd be just as concerned if they were part of an LA gang as if they were from Mexico. So you are equating violent LA gangs with peaceful illegals from Mexico? WOW. I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less concerned about peaceful immigrants. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #111 April 14, 2006 Lost in all of this talk is the new US law to promote national security which will start taking effect in December 2006 (for all travelers arriving by air or by sea) and in December 2007 (for all travelers arriving by land) in that everyone choosing to enter the USA (this includes US citizens) will need to possess a valid passport or equivalent security ID (details of this ID to be named later). Requiring a valid passport/ID to cross a border is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Our borders do need some security. But it's a little ironic that the US government is willing to screen all travelers who enter through normal border crossing while they ignore the daily deluge of human traffic by the thousands over their largely undefended southern border. Why is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world like they have been doing in South Korea for years and yet they are either unwilling or just incapable of defending their own borders? If you want to address your national security concerns, here's the place to start. Stop the daily deluge of human traffic across your border. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #112 April 14, 2006 QuoteRequiring a valid passport/ID to cross a border is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. ...... Why is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world .... and yet they are either unwilling ..of defending their own borders? GOOD CALL ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #113 April 14, 2006 >So you are equating violent LA gangs with peaceful illegals from Mexico? WOW. You're assuming all gangs are violent? WOW. Ever met the Gang Green folks? >I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less >concerned about peaceful immigrants. I suppose I feel similar. But I don't really care where they are from; I would care about why they're there and what they are doing. (This has something to do with immigration - how?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #114 April 14, 2006 QuoteEver met the Gang Green folks? Bad example, they are VERY scary. If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Like I said, very very scary. Nobody really "scoops up" Bob or Miles as it were. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #115 April 14, 2006 >If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very >cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Right, like you're Mr. Brave. She'd fire one of her Mary faces off at you (see below) and you'd spill the beer and run away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #116 April 14, 2006 Quote>If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very >cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Right, like you're Mr. Brave. She'd fire one of her Mary faces off at you (see below) and you'd spill the beer and run away. I'm bringing that to the airport tomorrow and tell her you gave it to me. And also taping it to the headboard. Kim won't mind. I don't think..... And I'd never spill the beer. That just wrong. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #117 April 14, 2006 Excellent.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #118 April 14, 2006 QuoteWhy is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world like they have been doing in South Korea for years and yet they are either unwilling or just incapable of defending their own borders? Well, for starters, the Korean border is defended by such means as land mines and machine gun emplacements. And, it's only about 200 miles long, about 1/10 the length of the Mexican border. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #119 April 14, 2006 QuoteWell, for starters, the Korean border is defended by such means as land mines and machine gun emplacements. And, it's only about 200 miles long, about 1/10 the length of the Mexican border. I thought we were talking about the Canadian border.... or some guy named Earl hunting bears along the Canadian border.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #120 April 15, 2006 >I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less >concerned about peaceful immigrants. QuoteI suppose I feel similar. But I don't really care where they are from; I would care about why they're there and what they are doing. (This has something to do with immigration - how?) See, I don't care why they are there or what they are doing (unless of course, they are painting my house or installing new siding) I don't want anyone in my house unless they are invited. I don't want anyone uninvited in my country. My ancestors fought wars to help make the US what it is and I don't want uninvited, Johnny-Come-Latelys' disrespecting our borders, breaking into the country, and hopping on the bandwagon unless we give them permission. Oh, you brought up the LA Gangs. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #121 April 16, 2006 QuackWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #122 April 17, 2006 >I find it hard to believe that a lot of them want to become American > citizens. . . .they will not assimilate with American culture (you know > they've been in the states more than 1 year, yet still no need to > speak English or pay taxes like everyone else?) As a follow-up to this, I did want to point out that tens of thousands actually _do_ pay their taxes. Apparently there is a way to pay taxes without establishing your citizenship status. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taxes17apr17,1,7503280.story?track=rss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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warpedskydiver 0 #106 April 14, 2006 Quote>Wrong then, wrong now. Sorry, those pesky facts again: 1920: foreign-born people made up 15% of the population. 2003: foreign-born made up 11.7% of the population. We have considerably lower immigration rates now than we did during the earlier part of the 20th century, even counting illegal immigrants. We survived then; we will survive now with a lower immigration rate. (It's a good thing we _did_ have such high rates back then; the families of many of us, me included, came over then.) Bill take those percentages and multiply them by the actual population at that time and you will see a huge difference...you are understating the numbers of immigrants by a great deal here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #107 April 14, 2006 Quote"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia ... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think." "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." (U.S. Senate, Subcommittee on Immigration and Naturalization of the Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 1965. pp. 1-3.) -Senator Ted Kennedy on the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Bill. Wrong then, wrong now. _______________________________________ I'd believe it more if, that quote came from Bullwinkle Moose! Ted Kennedy hasn't taken a non-flammable piss in 30-yrs. Naw, I just can't bring myself to accept anything Ted Kennedy says as the truth. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #108 April 14, 2006 >Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found >a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and >eating your food? Nope. I'd be just as concerned if they were part of an LA gang as if they were from Mexico. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #109 April 14, 2006 >Bill take those percentages and multiply them by the actual > population at that time and you will see a huge difference... Of course. But if you are worried about immigrants "taking over our culture" - that is less of a risk now than it was in 1920. In 1920, for every 100 people in a town, 15 were likely immigrants (on average.) Today 11 people are likely immigrants. That equates to less cultural impact. The absolute numbers, of course, are higher today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #110 April 14, 2006 Quote>Would you be unconcerned if you came home tonight and found >a group of strangers sitting in your house, drinking your beer and >eating your food? Nope. I'd be just as concerned if they were part of an LA gang as if they were from Mexico. So you are equating violent LA gangs with peaceful illegals from Mexico? WOW. I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less concerned about peaceful immigrants. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #111 April 14, 2006 Lost in all of this talk is the new US law to promote national security which will start taking effect in December 2006 (for all travelers arriving by air or by sea) and in December 2007 (for all travelers arriving by land) in that everyone choosing to enter the USA (this includes US citizens) will need to possess a valid passport or equivalent security ID (details of this ID to be named later). Requiring a valid passport/ID to cross a border is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. Our borders do need some security. But it's a little ironic that the US government is willing to screen all travelers who enter through normal border crossing while they ignore the daily deluge of human traffic by the thousands over their largely undefended southern border. Why is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world like they have been doing in South Korea for years and yet they are either unwilling or just incapable of defending their own borders? If you want to address your national security concerns, here's the place to start. Stop the daily deluge of human traffic across your border. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #112 April 14, 2006 QuoteRequiring a valid passport/ID to cross a border is a good idea as far as I'm concerned. ...... Why is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world .... and yet they are either unwilling ..of defending their own borders? GOOD CALL ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #113 April 14, 2006 >So you are equating violent LA gangs with peaceful illegals from Mexico? WOW. You're assuming all gangs are violent? WOW. Ever met the Gang Green folks? >I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less >concerned about peaceful immigrants. I suppose I feel similar. But I don't really care where they are from; I would care about why they're there and what they are doing. (This has something to do with immigration - how?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #114 April 14, 2006 QuoteEver met the Gang Green folks? Bad example, they are VERY scary. If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Like I said, very very scary. Nobody really "scoops up" Bob or Miles as it were. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #115 April 14, 2006 >If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very >cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Right, like you're Mr. Brave. She'd fire one of her Mary faces off at you (see below) and you'd spill the beer and run away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #116 April 14, 2006 Quote>If Mary showed up in my living room, I'd probably very >cautiously bring her a beer, then scoop her up and hug her tightly. Right, like you're Mr. Brave. She'd fire one of her Mary faces off at you (see below) and you'd spill the beer and run away. I'm bringing that to the airport tomorrow and tell her you gave it to me. And also taping it to the headboard. Kim won't mind. I don't think..... And I'd never spill the beer. That just wrong. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #117 April 14, 2006 Excellent.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #118 April 14, 2006 QuoteWhy is it that the US can defend a border 1/2 way across the world like they have been doing in South Korea for years and yet they are either unwilling or just incapable of defending their own borders? Well, for starters, the Korean border is defended by such means as land mines and machine gun emplacements. And, it's only about 200 miles long, about 1/10 the length of the Mexican border. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #119 April 14, 2006 QuoteWell, for starters, the Korean border is defended by such means as land mines and machine gun emplacements. And, it's only about 200 miles long, about 1/10 the length of the Mexican border. I thought we were talking about the Canadian border.... or some guy named Earl hunting bears along the Canadian border.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #120 April 15, 2006 >I don't want anyone in my house uninvited but I'd be a lot less >concerned about peaceful immigrants. QuoteI suppose I feel similar. But I don't really care where they are from; I would care about why they're there and what they are doing. (This has something to do with immigration - how?) See, I don't care why they are there or what they are doing (unless of course, they are painting my house or installing new siding) I don't want anyone in my house unless they are invited. I don't want anyone uninvited in my country. My ancestors fought wars to help make the US what it is and I don't want uninvited, Johnny-Come-Latelys' disrespecting our borders, breaking into the country, and hopping on the bandwagon unless we give them permission. Oh, you brought up the LA Gangs. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #121 April 16, 2006 QuackWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #122 April 17, 2006 >I find it hard to believe that a lot of them want to become American > citizens. . . .they will not assimilate with American culture (you know > they've been in the states more than 1 year, yet still no need to > speak English or pay taxes like everyone else?) As a follow-up to this, I did want to point out that tens of thousands actually _do_ pay their taxes. Apparently there is a way to pay taxes without establishing your citizenship status. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taxes17apr17,1,7503280.story?track=rss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
