aonsquared 9 #1476 January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: I'm already taking YOU to school. BTW don't you have a laser to play with somewhere? You wish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #1477 January 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, brenthutch said: They are variable in the long term as well, the temperatures and seas were much higher 7000 years ago and the and the temperatures and seas were much lower 500 years ago. We had mega droughts, massive content burning wildfires, floods that killed tens of thousands, 6000 years ago the Sahara was a lush tropical grassland now it is one of the driest places on earth, all with preindustrial levels of CO2. Please don't tell me that there is (or ever was) anything "stable" and "predicable" about our climate. I didn't say there was anything stable and predictable, I said "The predictability we're looking for doesn't mean and perfect spread of weather but an end to a feedback loop." We're not trying to eliminate natural variability, we're trying to eliminate the variability caused by our own actions that have a short term AND long term effect on our species. You're talking about things that happened because of a confluence of the end of an ice age and THE TILT OF THE PLANET. This is referred to as the Holocene Climatic Optimum. We'll get to another of those periods and we will have to deal with it. Right now we're dealing with our own manmade issues that we need to reverse before they get out of control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1478 January 16, 2020 Did you notice that it is called the Holocene Climatic Optimum and not the Holocene Climatic Apocalypse, and it was MUCH warmer than what we have today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #1479 January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: Did you notice that it is called the Holocene Climatic Optimum and not the Holocene Climatic Apocalypse, and it was MUCH warmer than what we have today. And just LOOK at what happened to the animals that lived then - Mastodon, Sabre Toothed Tiger, Mammoths, Where are they now? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1480 January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: And just LOOK at what happened to the animals that lived then - Mastodon, Sabre Toothed Tiger, Mammoths, Where are they now? Excellent point! If Brent has his way I'll be able to get my own therapy Mammoth. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #1481 January 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Excellent point! If Brent has his way I'll be able to get my own therapy Mammoth. Holy cow that would be a fun plane ride! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1482 January 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Holy cow that would be a fun plane ride! You suppose they fart? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1483 January 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: And just LOOK at what happened to the animals that lived then - Mastodon, Sabre Toothed Tiger, Mammoths, Where are they now? I blame the mastodon farts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #1484 January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 1:08 PM, turtlespeed said: And just LOOK at what happened to the animals that lived then - Mastodon, Sabre Toothed Tiger, Mammoths, Where are they now? They were lazy liberal freeloaders who couldn't be bothered to work hard and move someplace nicer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1485 January 18, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, billvon said: They were lazy liberal freeloaders who couldn't be bothered to work hard and move someplace nicer. No, it was all of those Neanderthals driving around in SUVs. Which, coincidentally is the same reason you think it is happing today. (laughing emoji inserted as mine doesn't seem to work) Edited January 18, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1486 January 20, 2020 Oh no! Yet another failed lawsuit! https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/kids-climate-lawsuit-dismissed-on-appeal/ I don't get it? Apparently there were no petrodollars involved!?! So much for the deep pockets argument Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,297 #1487 January 20, 2020 8 hours ago, brenthutch said: I don't get it? Well, we've established that you don't read what I post, but apparently you don't read what you post either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1488 January 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, BIGUN said: Well, we've established that you don't read what I post, but apparently you don't read what you post either. I read it, bottom line, they lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1489 January 20, 2020 Just now, brenthutch said: I read it, bottom line, they lost, and it had nothing to do with petrodollars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1490 January 21, 2020 Pretty naive to think oil companies did not spend lobbying dollars on this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #1491 January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: Pretty naive to think oil companies did not spend lobbying dollars on this. At a basic level he knows that. But if you deny climate change, you have to work really hard to intentionally misunderstand things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1492 January 22, 2020 5 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Pretty naive to think oil companies did not spend lobbying dollars on this. They did. https://www.wsj.com/articles/exxon-puts-up-1-million-to-campaign-for-a-carbon-tax-1539079200 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1493 February 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 10:44 PM, kallend said: If they PROVED CONCLUSIVELY that the AGW research carried out to date was so flawed as to be incorrect, they would probably win a Nobel and get job offers at all the top research universities. Nobels are given out for novel results that overturn conventional wisdom, not for confirming the results of others. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/02/09/a-climate-blacklist-that-works-it-should-make-her-unhirable-in-academia/#a729c0663682 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #1494 February 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, brenthutch said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerpielke/2020/02/09/a-climate-blacklist-that-works-it-should-make-her-unhirable-in-academia/#a729c0663682 Awe....poor deniers can't get jobs. Maybe not being able to validate their work has something to do with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1495 February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DJL said: Awe....poor deniers can't get jobs. Maybe not being able to validate their work has something to do with it. That is what they get for being a heretic, they get excommunicated from the church of Climatism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #1496 February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, DJL said: Awe....poor deniers can't get jobs. Maybe not being able to validate their work has something to do with it. Geez. Next thing you know, doctor's offices will be firing anti-vaxxers and NASA will refuse to hire flat-earthers! What's the world coming to? It's the elitist ivory tower intelligentsia crushing the Joe the Flat-Earth Plumbers beneath their uncaring heels, I tell you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1497 February 12, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, billvon said: Geez. Next thing you know, doctor's offices will be firing anti-vaxxers and NASA will refuse to hire flat-earthers! What's the world coming to? It's the elitist ivory tower intelligentsia crushing the Joe the Flat-Earth Plumbers beneath their uncaring heels, I tell you. "formerly the chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Tech, and a Fellow of both the American Geophysical Union and American Meteorological Society." Yup, sounds like a real flat earther. Edited February 12, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #1498 February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: That is what they get for being a heretic, they get excommunicated from the church of Climatism. I do realize you're trying to create a defensible argument by painting it as "religious fanaticism" rather than an understanding of scientific fact. Anyway, this isn't the GND thread so you'll have to do better than that. Unfortunately, people who are fanatical about scientific fact are still right, they just annoy you because you're wrong and you stole their childhood, how dare you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #1499 February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DJL said: I do realize you're trying to create a defensible argument by painting it as "religious fanaticism" rather than an understanding of scientific fact. Anyway, this isn't the GND thread so you'll have to do better than that. Unfortunately, people who are fanatical about scientific fact are still right, they just annoy you because you're wrong and you stole their childhood, how dare you! Climate seems to be stealing a lot of childhoods. I think we need to have a law against that. Childhood theft should be regulated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1500 February 13, 2020 (edited) On 1/10/2020 at 10:44 PM, kallend said: If they PROVED CONCLUSIVELY that the AGW research carried out to date was so flawed as to be incorrect...... Isn't the burden of proof on the other side? If I claim carrots are growing on the dark side of the moon, isn't it MY responsibility to prove that assertion? Or do you have to prove me wrong? (of course if you say that no carrots have ever been detected on the dark side of the moon, I will just reply that you have not looked hard enough) (just like the warmists) Edited February 13, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
