There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

[rushmc 23]

Just so you know, there are about 5 or 6 easily found articles that all have, and nearly vertatum, the exact same story up to about the point where the oil comany was asked to respond. this was the only site that included the responce. Seems to me they did a betty job than your chozen sites........what ever they are.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>Seems to me they did a betty job than your chozen sites........what ever they are.

I'm going with the Veronica job. That Betty was a prude.

[rushmc 23]

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>Seems to me they did a betty job than your chozen sites........what ever they are.

I'm going with the Veronica job. That Betty was a prude.

You should do that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[speedy 0]

I see it this way. If there really are scientists that can be bought off by Exxon then there are scientists that can be bought off by other people. From what runs in the media I get the impression being bought off by the CO2 crowd is far more profitable than being bought off by Exxon.

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

[billvon 2,990]

>From what runs in the media I get the impression being bought off
> by the CO2 crowd is far more profitable than being bought off by
> Exxon.

Where does the money come to fund "the CO2 crowd?" (We know where the Exxon money comes from.)

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I see it this way. If there really are scientists that can be bought off by Exxon then there are scientists that can be bought off by other people. From what runs in the media I get the impression being bought off by the CO2 crowd is far more profitable than being bought off by Exxon.

The anti-pollution forces definitely got pull. Here's a classic piece of junk science that was immediately lauded as gospel.
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epa.html

No doubt, this site has a stong bias... but which of the claims regarding the study's bogus conclusions are untrue?

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Where does the money come to fund "the CO2 crowd?"

Are you trying to tell me that all the scientists bringing out reports of how CO2 is sending us to disaster do their work FOR FREE!!

What nice chaps, but how do they pay the bills?

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

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Where does the money come to fund "the CO2 crowd?"

Are you trying to tell me that all the scientists bringing out reports of how CO2 is sending us to disaster do their work FOR FREE!!

What nice chaps, but how do they pay the bills?

Maybe they're like me, and are paid by their university. Why don't you tell us if you think there's a conspiracy funded by some shady industry group?

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[speedy 0]

Does your university have a license to print money?
How much of a profit do they make teaching students?
What products does your university sell?

Or do they get funding from elsewhere? If so where?

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

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Does your university have a license to print money?
How much of a profit do they make teaching students?
What products does your university sell?

Or do they get funding from elsewhere? If so where?

The university gets most of its money from from tuition, and most of the rest from alumni and trustee donations. Individual faculty get grants from a variety of places to support their graduate students, but their salaries are not paid from grants and research contracts.

Our product is education, a much sought after commodity.

We are "not-for-profit", like just about every other bona-fide college and university in the USA.

Where are YOU claiming that those who claim global warming is real and in part man-made are getting their funding. You made the claim, now back it up.

It is clear that Big Energy has put a lot of $$$ into a real campaign to deny global warming.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Does your university have a license to print money?
How much of a profit do they make teaching students?
What products does your university sell?

Or do they get funding from elsewhere? If so where?

The university gets most of its money from from tuition, and most of the rest from alumni and trustee donations. Individual faculty get grants from a variety of places to support their graduate students, but their salaries are not paid from grants and research contracts.

Our product is education, a much sought after commodity.

We are "not-for-profit", like just about every other bona-fide college and university in the USA.

Where are YOU claiming that those who claim global warming is real and in part man-made are getting their funding. You made the claim, now back it up.

It is clear that Big Energy has put a lot of $$$ into a real campaign to deny global warming.

This post is got to be the funniest dam piece of BS I have seen in a long time. Must be a nice fantacy world you live in if you think grants don't have an impact on universities and the standing of the profs that get those grants.

Thanks for the laugh. Best one I have had in a long time.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,026]

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Does your university have a license to print money?
How much of a profit do they make teaching students?
What products does your university sell?

Or do they get funding from elsewhere? If so where?

The university gets most of its money from from tuition, and most of the rest from alumni and trustee donations. Individual faculty get grants from a variety of places to support their graduate students, but their salaries are not paid from grants and research contracts.

Our product is education, a much sought after commodity.

We are "not-for-profit", like just about every other bona-fide college and university in the USA.

Where are YOU claiming that those who claim global warming is real and in part man-made are getting their funding. You made the claim, now back it up.

It is clear that Big Energy has put a lot of $$$ into a real campaign to deny global warming.

This post is got to be the funniest dam piece of BS I have seen in a long time. Must be a nice fantacy world you live in if you think grants don't have an impact on universities and the standing of the profs that get those grants.

Thanks for the laugh. Best one I have had in a long time.

You're welcome. Now, how about some PROOF that scientists whose research implicates a human cause for global warming are accepting money to do so. Name names! Provide a cite.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,990]

>Are you trying to tell me that all the scientists bringing out reports of
>how CO2 is sending us to disaster do their work FOR FREE!!

Scientists are not coming out with "reports showing how CO2 is sending us to disaster." That's hollywood's job, and of course people who need straw men here on DZ.com.

Scientists ARE coming out with reports showing how CO2 is increasing the amount of heat retained by the earth. They are coming out with reports showing rising sea levels, melting ice shelves, and dwindling polar bear populations. They are making predictions about future warming and its effects on sea levels and weather. And they are being paid by the same people they've always been paid by - private universities, NOAA, UCS. Indeed, they are doing the same job they have been doing forever. Scientists have been predicting the future climatically since the first barometer was built.

What to do about that science is a job for politicians. And thankfully, more and more of them are waking up to how much global warming may cost us. Some are starting to realize that slowing it down might be an excellent bargain - sort of like using fireproof materials in building construction. Sure, they cost more. They may never stop a fire, or they may only slow down a fire once it starts. But builders are smart enough to know that saving every penny during construction can bite you in the ass later. Sometimes it's really not a good idea to build a building out of tinder, even if it is cheaper right now.

This whole argument is showing some truly amazing parallels to the smoking debate of the 50's. When researchers started realizing the link between smoking and lung cancer, not many people cared - until Reader's Digest did an article about it. Smoking started to decline. In response, the tobacco companies formed the Tobacco Industry Research Committee, and promised to research the issue. They came to some unsuprising conclusions - that they weren't really bad for you, that filtered cigarettes were even better, and that most of the "alarmist" scientists speaking about the dangers of smoking were full of shit and just disliked Big Tobacco.

The tobacco companies spent hundreds of millions on the TIRC. It worked - tobacco sales started to rise again.

Exxon et al aren't idiots. They know these strategies can work. Spend millions on their versions of the TIRC to "prove" that those alarmist scientists are full of shit, and just hate oil, or progress, or whatever. They will reap the same benefits that Big Tobacco did if they are successful - freedom from government scrutiny and avoidance of any new regulation of their product.

[rushmc 23]

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V10/N2/EDIT.jsp

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

See attached.

[kallend 2,026]

This last December in Chicago was warmer than any other since records began. Record warm temperatures in the northeast, too.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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This last December in Chicago was warmer than any other since records began. Record warm temperatures in the northeast, too.

Means absolutly nothing. But fun to post ?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,026]

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This last December in Chicago was warmer than any other since records began. Record warm temperatures in the northeast, too.

Means absolutly nothing. But fun to post ?

If the stuff you posted was in a peer reviewed scientific journal it would be worth reading, but it's not, so it isn't any more meaningful than my post.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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This last December in Chicago was warmer than any other since records began. Record warm temperatures in the northeast, too.

Means absolutly nothing. But fun to post ?

If the stuff you posted was in a peer reviewed scientific journal it would be worth reading, but it's not, so it isn't any more meaningful than my post.

Ah, but it is peer reviewed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,026]

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This last December in Chicago was warmer than any other since records began. Record warm temperatures in the northeast, too.

Means absolutly nothing. But fun to post ?

If the stuff you posted was in a peer reviewed scientific journal it would be worth reading, but it's not, so it isn't any more meaningful than my post.

Ah, but it is peer reviewed

Looked like a web site rant to me.

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[rushmc 23]

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This last December in Chicago was warmer than any other since records began. Record warm temperatures in the northeast, too.

Means absolutly nothing. But fun to post ?

If the stuff you posted was in a peer reviewed scientific journal it would be worth reading, but it's not, so it isn't any more meaningful than my post.

Ah, but it is peer reviewed

Looked like a web site rant to me.

You looked wrong.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

So let me get this straight -

You now believe the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is doing valid research? You do realize, of course, that they agree that CO2 levels are rising rapidly due to man's activity and are driving a change in our climate. They claim this is a good thing since plants like warm temperatures and more CO2.

Odd that you would support an organization that makes claims exactly opposite of yours. Or is this more an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing?

[rushmc 23]

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So let me get this straight -

You now believe the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change is doing valid research? You do realize, of course, that they agree that CO2 levels are rising rapidly due to man's activity and are driving a change in our climate. They claim this is a good thing since plants like warm temperatures and more CO2.

Odd that you would support an organization that makes claims exactly opposite of yours. Or is this more an "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing?

The conclusions you jump to are confusing. I ask a question and post some info I have found. Nothing more

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,439]

Then what is your position?
- that global warming isn't happening
- that it is but man isn't responsible
- that it is but it's a good thing (whether or not man is responsible)
- that all those liberal environmentalists are wrong

They're kind of mutually exclusive, unless you select the last one.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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Then what is your position?
- that global warming isn't happening
- that it is but man isn't responsible
- that it is but it's a good thing (whether or not man is responsible)
- that all those liberal environmentalists are wrong

They're kind of mutually exclusive, unless you select the last one.

Wendy W.

Wow,

One more time

Man is not the cause for global warming IMO, and now I am not even sure it is happening at the rate the GW alarmists want to convey

I have never said that global warming is a good thing (unles in jest) I have not taken a position one way or another in that context.

I believe the alarmist enviornmentalists are wrong. I do not care what political affiliation they have.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln