There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

[brenthutch 444]

Yes it is true that warm air can hold more moisture, it is also true that that moisture laden warm air cannot produce snow.  (You need cold to make snow)

[DJL 235]

4 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Yes it is true that warm air can hold more moisture, it is also true that that moisture laden warm air cannot produce snow.  (You need cold to make snow)

Such as when it's driven South from the Arctic Circle.  https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/01/30/this-is-why-global-warming-is-responsible-for-freezing-temperatures-across-the-usa/#bbed3d2d8cf8

"While a small but vocal minority of people might use the faulty logic of, "it's cold where I am, therefore global warming isn't real," even schoolchildren know that weather isn't climate."

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

You forgot about the record breaking/ road closing snow out West!

Hi Brent,

What part of 'out West' are you referring to?

I live about 70 miles east of the Pacific Ocean & it is 74* here.  I just checked.

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 2,026]

6 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Yes it is true that warm air can hold more moisture, it is also true that that moisture laden warm air cannot produce snow.  (You need cold to make snow)

Wrong.

You aren't as clever as you think you are.

[billvon 2,990]

7 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Yes it is true that warm air can hold more moisture, it is also true that that moisture laden warm air cannot produce snow.  (You need cold to make snow)

??

Warm air over water + warm water = lots of evaporation = warm wet air

Wet air rises due to orographic lift = cold wet air

Cold wet air = snow

This is weather 101.  Even found a picture of it.

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

Wrong.

You aren't as clever as you think you are.

John, that was rude. He was talking to his audience, not you. 

[DJL 235]

10 hours ago, billvon said:

??

Warm air over water + warm water = lots of evaporation = warm wet air

Wet air rises due to orographic lift = cold wet air

Cold wet air = snow

This is weather 101.  Even found a picture of it.

 

Basically how you can surf in the morning and go skiing in the afternoon on the West Coast.  I do think he's referring to an earlier snow event that was caused by an artic cyclone release but he doesn't provide specifics lest he not only be proven conceptually wrong but also specifically wrong.

Edited July 19, 2019 by DJL

[brenthutch 444]

Y’all might want to bone up on a little sumthin I like to call “Dew Point” before getting all nasty w me.

[DJL 235]

19 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Y’all might want to bone up on a little sumthin I like to call “Dew Point” before getting all nasty w me.

Sure thing.  Point to the specific snow storm you're referring to and tell us what it proves.

[brenthutch 444]

I was referring to the two feet of snow Colorado got on the first day of summer.

I’m guessing someone will tell me this

http://maritimebulletin.net/2019/07/19/icebreaker-turned-back-encountering-heavy-ice-in-ice-free-arctic/

is from global warming as well.

[DJL 235]

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I was referring to the two feet of snow Colorado got on the first day of summer.

I’m guessing someone will tell me this

http://maritimebulletin.net/2019/07/19/icebreaker-turned-back-encountering-heavy-ice-in-ice-free-arctic/

is from global warming as well.

Why should someone say it's global warming?  Even a child knows the difference between the weather and the climate.  Sure, severe and odd weather events can be caused by global warming, per my artic cold air blast example.  So...what are YOU saying it proves?

Edit:  Ahhh, I see you've turned your story from snow in the US NW to an ice breaker that found ice in the Artic Circle.   Ok...what are you saying either proves?

Edit2: And not that you actually care about the actual findings of the overall artic ice sheet:  https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2019/arctic-sea-ice-2019-wintertime-extent-is-seventh-lowest

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by DJL

[brenthutch 444]

Seventh lowest, wow that is terrifying!  Where do I sign up for a carbon tax?

BTW I didn’t change my story, I added to it.

[DJL 235]

54 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Seventh lowest, wow that is terrifying!  Where do I sign up for a carbon tax?

BTW I didn’t change my story, I added to it.

And since you're a smart guy I'm sure you understand the difference between extent and volume.  As that 7th lowest extent article describes, the volume is actually seeing a permanent decrease.  Here's the closest narrative to raw data available:  http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/   

And since you're keen on suggesting people eat crow because for some reason the most recent reading has to the the worst in order for a point to be made here's a graph using the actual raw data showing both the trend in volume over the last 40 years AND the fact that 2019 is in fact the worst for ice volume loss.  As in the most recent reading of ice volume is the lowest in (recent) history.

Want to switch back to talking about snow storms in the North West?  That's probably an easier one for you since you can just say, "Look! Snow in April!" as if that means something.

Edited July 19, 2019 by DJL

[kallend 2,026]

Paris (France) is pretty warm today.  All-time record warm.

 

Probably just a hoax.

[Coreece 190]

10 minutes ago, kallend said:

Paris (France) is pretty warm today.  All-time record warm. 

Ugh, I can smell it all the way over here.

[kallend 2,026]

TWO record breaking heat waves in a month.  Nothing to see here, move along please.

 

By Linda Givetash

LONDON — Britain is bracing for its hottest day in recorded history as a heat wave raises concerns for health and wildfire risks across western Europe.

The United Kingdom’s Met Office issued a warning that Thursday could see the 101.3-degree record set in August 2003 shattered with forecasts of a high of 102.2 degrees.

 

An influx of hot air from North Africa is triggering the sky-high temperatures, similar to last month’s record heat wave that hit much of central and western Europe

[kallend 2,026]

So the hottest weather ever recorded in France, the United Kingdom, Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany yesterday.  Even Bergen, Norway, went over 90F.  Meteorologists are forecasting record ice-melt in Greenland this summer.

NOAA reported that the 12 months from July 2018 to June 2019 were the wettest ever recorded in the USA.

Even farmers in Trumpland are beginning to realize that climate change may not be a hoax after all as they look over their flooded fields.

[tonyhays 86]

Not to mention huge parts of Australia are in drought with water restrictions being in place in NSW since June 1st

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/

[brenthutch 444]

Floodroughts are my favorite oxymoron.  LOL!

[brenthutch 444]

On 7/27/2019 at 10:10 AM, kallend said:

 

NOAA reported that the 12 months from July 2018 to June 2019 were the wettest ever recorded in the USA.

 

Don’t tell BillV, he promised us droughts.  

[DJL 235]

12 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Don’t tell BillV, he promised us droughts.  

Can you point to where BillV said there would be droughts within these 12 months?

[brenthutch 444]

14 minutes ago, DJL said:

Can you point to where BillV said there would be droughts within these 12 months?

“Higher temps cause droughts.  Basic earth science” BillV

[DJL 235]

 

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

“Higher temps cause droughts.  Basic earth science” BillV

Looks like there's been rain where it's been cool and less rain where it's been hot:

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/national-climate-201905

[billvon 2,990]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Don’t tell BillV, he promised us droughts.  

When you have to lie to make your points, your points are probably pretty sad to begin with.

[kallend 2,026]

23 minutes ago, billvon said:

When you have to lie to make your points, your points are probably pretty sad to begin with.

Hey, Trump does it on a daily basis.