There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

[turtlespeed 220]

On 12/28/2019 at 5:02 PM, BIGUN said:

Or, you could just talk to the Tuvaluans...

 

Its a damn good thing that Wakunda is further inland.

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On 12/24/2019 at 1:32 PM, brenthutch said:

"The findings, published in the journal Biogeosciences, suggest that forests are growing more vigorously

The increased plant growth in global forests is due to several factors, including higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, warmer temperatures and increased availability of nitrogen."

Reforestation via the burning of fossil fuels, a win win.

 

Wait.   You left out some very key part of the text you copied and pasted:L

 

"The findings, published in the journal Biogeosciences, suggest that forests are growing more vigorously, and therefore, locking away more carbon. Even so, the concentration of heat-trapping carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is still on the rise.

"Every decade, Earth's forests are taking up carbon faster than the previous decade," said Britton Stephens, a co-author of the study and a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), which is funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF).

"The same is true of the oceans," said Stephens. "Even together, the ocean and the land are not keeping up with industrial carbon emissions, and the global concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is rising at an accelerating rate."

The increased plant growth in global forests could be due to several factors, including higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, warmer temperatures and increased availability of nitrogen."

Again, we don't care about the upside of increased plant growth as it pales in comparison to the effects of rising global temperatures.

[brenthutch 444]

On 12/28/2019 at 6:02 PM, BIGUN said:

Or, you could just talk to the Tuvaluans...

 

Image Sources: Donchyts et al., 2016 and BBC (press release)

I. Despite sea level rise, “the coasts are growing all over the world”

Sea levels aren’t rising fast enough to deleteriously affect coastal areas on a net global scale.

Satellite observations indicate there has been 13,565 km2 of net growth in land area across the globe’s coasts between 1985-2015.

In other words, the Earth’s coasts gained more land area than were lost to rising sea levels."

Looks like the Tuvaluans have a local problem

[BIGUN 1,297]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Earth’s coasts gained more land area than were lost to rising sea levels.

Donchyts adds, “Aqua Monitor can be used to identify areas where surface water changes are present, but also, to study inter-annual dynamics, showing how surface water on average was changing from year to year.”

However, he acknowledges the shortcomings of the software, “We must take into account the variable frequency of satellite measurements, it is not same from year to year and this may have influence on the results as well.”

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https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/551717059011660/

This should help you climate alarmist relax a bit, and make you feel better.

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The Australian Fires are an example of the increase in extreme events and those who manage and react to their seasonal fires knew this would be a bad year.  While you cannot look at any single event and say "that's it" this event poses an interesting perspective.  They knew it was going to happen because they knew WHY it was going to happen and that's because this has been the hottest land temp year on record and in dry Australia that means forest fires.  Even with previous plans in place to mitigate this exact scenario it has been a record event, it's only that previous planning that has kept down the loss in life.  The answer is Yes, climate change is to blame for the Australian fires.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50341210

Australia is having their eyes opened to this and it'll be interesting to see what they do.  They don't contribute much as far as greenhouse gases go but they're the largest worldwide exporter of coal.  This is one of the main reasons they've seen so much industrial and blue collar backlash from moves to reduce emissions.  They will feel it in their pocketbook.

Edited January 6, 2020 by DJL

[turtlespeed 220]

2 hours ago, DJL said:

The Australian Fires are an example of the increase in extreme events and those who manage and react to their seasonal fires knew this would be a bad year.  While you cannot look at any single event and say "that's it" this event poses an interesting perspective.  They knew it was going to happen because they knew WHY it was going to happen and that's because this has been the hottest land temp year on record and in dry Australia that means forest fires.  Even with previous plans in place to mitigate this exact scenario it has been a record event, it's only that previous planning that has kept down the loss in life.  The answer is Yes, climate change is to blame for the Australian fires.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50341210

Australia is having their eyes opened to this and it'll be interesting to see what they do.  They don't contribute much as far as greenhouse gases go but they're the largest worldwide exporter of coal.  This is one of the main reasons they've seen so much industrial and blue collar backlash from moves to reduce emissions.  They will feel it in their pocketbook.

Just to be a smartass . . . So they have a BUNCH of Brents?

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34 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Just to be a smartass . . . So they have a BUNCH of Brents?

Except they're yelling, "Fires, always been fires, ya cunts!"

Edited January 6, 2020 by DJL

[gowlerk 2,190]

40 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Just to be a smartass . . . So they have a BUNCH of Brents?

They are in the throes of a dilemma. They struggle with the fact that climate warming would seem to be affecting them more than most people. But they make a huge part of their living mining and shipping coal to China. It's a bit of an "inconvenient truth".

[billvon 2,990]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

They are in the throes of a dilemma. They struggle with the fact that climate warming would seem to be affecting them more than most people. But they make a huge part of their living mining and shipping coal to China. It's a bit of an "inconvenient truth".

And a lot of people deal with that sort of cognitive dissonance by denying it is happening at all.  It's natural, there have always been fires, it's not hotter etc etc.

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13 hours ago, billvon said:

And a lot of people deal with that sort of cognitive dissonance by denying it is happening at all.  It's natural, there have always been fires, it's not hotter etc etc.

I have a serious question...if the fires in OZ are climate related why isn't New Zealand on fire as well?

[wmw999 2,439]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I have a serious question...if the fires in OZ are climate related why isn't New Zealand on fire as well?

If you look at a map of the world, it's pretty clear that the vast majority of New Zealand is farther south (and therefore colder) than Australia. And, since it's way smaller, it'll be more affected by surrounding (ocean) weather than generating its own climate.

And there is some fire there, according to at least one map. 

Kind of like why Oregon doesn't have as many fires as California

Wendy P.

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2 hours ago, airdvr said:

I have a serious question...if the fires in OZ are climate related why isn't New Zealand on fire as well?

It's somewhere else.

[turtlespeed 220]

15 hours ago, billvon said:

And a lot of people deal with that sort of cognitive dissonance by denying it is happening at all.  It's natural, there have always been fires, it's not hotter etc etc.

HAS this happened before?  (In recorded history?)

1851 seems to be a particularly bad fire.  5 Million Hectares in Victoria alone.

I haven't found what the current and/or forecasted area is for this fire(set of fires)

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2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

HAS this happened before?  (In recorded history?)

1851 seems to be a particularly bad fire.  5 Million Hectares in Victoria alone.

I haven't found what the current and/or forecasted area is for this fire(set of fires)

12.35 million acres in Australia in total.  

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50951043

[brenthutch 444]

17 hours ago, billvon said:

It's natural: True

there have always been fires: True

it's not hotter: True

 

[DJL 235]

14 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

It's natural: True

there have always been fires: True

it's not hotter: True

It's natural: So what?

There have always been fires: Not this bad but thankfully they learned from the previous ones how to protect lives

It's not hotter: Yes it is and this is exactly why they knew ahead of time that this year would be worse.  That's a good example of people understanding the science behind predictions and taking action.  Unfortunately you can't stop global warming with fire hoses, you can only treat the symptoms.  So, where does that leave us? That global greening you love appears to have a downside. So far the cost is the difference between a "Normal fires always happen year" and the lives, property, wildlife, health issues associated with these fires.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 hours ago, DJL said:

12.35 million acres in Australia in total.  

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50951043

Hmmm - 

so 12.35m Acres is 5m Hectares - 

[brenthutch 444]

Some times it pays to look at what the experts predicted and compare it to what actually happen 

 

"Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents."

The question is not why I deny catastrophic man-made climate change, it is, why do you believe in it?

 

[airdvr 210]

25 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Hmmm - 

so 12.35m Acres is 5m Hectares - 

hec·tare

/ˈhekˌter/

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noun

 

1. a metric unit of square measure, equal to 100 ares (2.471 acres or 10,000 square meters).

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2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

 

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer,

 

Ah yes, a hearsay report of a secret report.  Very credible.

[airdvr 210]

24 Australians arrested for deliberately setting fires this season

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16 minutes ago, kallend said:

Ah yes, a hearsay report of a secret report.  Very credible.

No, not credible at all, none of those predictions came to pass.  The "experts" were wrong, not just wrong but (dare I say) catastrophically wrong.  

[brenthutch 444]

19 minutes ago, airdvr said:

24 Australians arrested for deliberately setting fires this season

Climate change causes pyromania.

[DJL 235]

15 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Climate change causes pyromania.

Yeah, that kind of muddies the waters.