"Jesus of Nazareth" (1977 Mini Series)

[SpeedRacer 1]

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i can think of more similarities between brainashed cult members and deeply religeous people, than i can think of differences.

It's also funny how most people who arn't in either of those two social groups can probably see the same similarities and yet only people IN those two groups will think the two groups have few similarities... funny that

perfectly understandable. you believe what you want to believe about a given group of people.
if you want to feel more comfortable about rejecting what that group believes, it's a lot easier if you believe that the group is somehow f&*ked up.

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[windcatcher 0]

I consider tithing to be giving 10% of income. Anything extra given, whether that be money, time, things...I consider an offering. ( Whether that money is given to a church or not).
My first obligation, as I believe the Word instructs us, is to tithe to the church.

I think all churches should tithe off of what THEY take in, so as to keep the cycle of giving going

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[jumpingjimmy 0]

didn't jesus give away all his worldy possesions ? why does the church have so much money? why doesn't it follow jesus and give all its money and possesions away?

simply because its a business, there to provide a living for some people and let them have nice big houses and cars

we'll spread the word of god, but won't actually follow it ourselves (oh yes, we'll have some well thought out answer as to why not if you challenge us about it, we've got to keep people giving money to us somehow)

[SpeedRacer 1]

wow, what an original insight.

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[pajarito 0]

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I consider tithing to be giving 10% of income. Anything extra given, whether that be money, time, things...I consider an offering. ( Whether that money is given to a church or not).
My first obligation, as I believe the Word instructs us, is to tithe to the church.

I think all churches should tithe off of what THEY take in, so as to keep the cycle of giving going

How bout that chunk of change Mel Gibson gave to the Church from what he made on The Passion of the Christ? Quite a testamony to his faith and sincerity. 2 thumbs up on that one! Especially since he went out on a limb and funded the thing himself and in spite of Hollywood turning their backs on him.

[Elisha 1]

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Blessed are the cheese makers !

It actually just came in my NetFlix queue last week. I hadn't seen it in like 15 years and I was disappointed - not nearly as funny as I thought it would be albeit a few good moments. Holy Grail is by far better than Life of Brian or Meaning of Life (which was better than L of B).

[windcatcher 0]

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didn't jesus give away all his worldy possesions ?

Jesus didn't NEED possessions, He was the Son of God. I've heard heaven's pretty nice though.

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why does the church have so much money?

Why judge what you are not familiar with? I quoted scripture for you. It is God's will for His followers to take care of the church and each other. Not every Christian or pastor is living in financial abundance. There are plenty of poor Christians out there. I'm one of em

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why doesn't it follow jesus and give all its money and possesions away?

All good things come from God, and in His word, several times it mentions that God gives good gifts to His children. Jesus didn't say to give all your possessions away. He did however, instruct us to love God, and not money. Any money we receive comes from God anyway.

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simply because its a business, there to provide a living for some people and let them have nice big houses and cars

I would like you to show me every Christian who has big houses. This is where judging others comes into play. How do you know those people with nice houses didn't give away large sums of money? How do you know God didn't bless them financially, so they could be a blessing to others?

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[jumpingjimmy 0]

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Blessed are the cheese makers !

It actually just came in my NetFlix queue last week. I hadn't seen it in like 15 years and I was disappointed - not nearly as funny as I thought it would be albeit a few good moments. Holy Grail is by far better than Life of Brian or Meaning of Life (which was better than L of B).

thank god (no pun intended ) somebody got it, i watched it last night for the first time in about 10 years, and yeah... good , but not nearly as funny as i remembered

[Elisha 1]

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At the time we had a 10 year old car.. but the Pastor was driving a brand new Cadillac... and living in a HUGE house in a well to do neighborhood.

Well, I assure you that most of the clergy I know (I run in Eastern Orthodox circles) are certainly not well off. Many are well-educated and earn their money well and should be paid more but are not.

[windcatcher 0]

I also wanted to add:

If you are a parent, do you give your children gifts? Would you withhold giving gifts to them, because instead you thought they should give away everything they own? Do you not want to see your children laugh, smile, and get excited, when they receive a gift from you?

God loves His children and enjoys giving to those who are faithful. He is a heavenly Father who gives good gifts to His children, because He loves them.

Anywhoo, it doesn't matter how silly people think the Body of Christ is, or how silly the Bible is.
People will continue to pick it apart no matter what, but that won't stop the Body of Christ.

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[jumpingjimmy 0]

are there many parts of the bible that should not be taken litterally? i've never read it (prefer Penthouse and Rustler myself) so i'm not quite sure about it

what is meant by the fact they talk about Adam and Eve? surely they had sex with their own children to start the human race off if its to be taken as litteral? if its not, what is menat by all the Adam and Eve parts of the bible?

How about science? have all the scientists in the world who talk about Evolution got it wrong too? did the earth really just suddenly appear when god made it, or is that part of genesis meant to mean something else? when they the bible says god created the world in 6 days, does it not actually mean god created the world in 6 days? i'm genuinly curious as to know if many parts of the bible are to be taken litterally or are the stories meant to be viewed as symbolick messagers?

[windcatcher 0]

I believe the Bible is literature, that is read literally, figuratively,etc. For example, Jesus taught by speaking in parables, in order to help others understand the message he was trying to convey, in a way that was familiar to them and easily understood.
One must study the context in which the Bible was written. I myself need to do this more. I need to find out what the words in the original language meant, and actually dig deep into the scriptures.

On the other hand, the scriptures are God-breathed, and I don't think it contains anything it's not supposed to contain. If it's God's word, I would think the Almighty would be able to keep His word the way it was supposed to be written.

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[windcatcher 0]

I would love to continue this lovely discussion, but just so you don't get mad if I don't answer your post : I am getting off work to do HOMEWORK. I've got 2 weeks before finals and all my projects are due this week. My posting shall cease. Is that a cheer in the background I heard?

Laters,
Sarah

Mother to the cutest little thing in the world...

[jumpingjimmy 0]

and she was gone .........

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So let it be written, So let it be done







oops.. sorry wrong biblical story

[pajarito 0]

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are there many parts of the bible that should not be taken litterally? i've never read it (prefer Penthouse and Rustler myself) so i'm not quite sure about it

I'll tell you what is literal. You are going to die. Maybe in the next hour. Maybe not for another 60 years. You are going to face a completely holy and just God and will be judged for everything you've done in life. That includes every thought that has gone through your head. You will be judged by God's moral standard of goodness. Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything no matter how small and even if you were just a kid? Have you ever felt hatred toward another person? God considers hatred as murder. He not only judges your actions but your thought life as well. Have you ever looked at a girl with lust? Jesus said that whoever looks at another woman with lust has committed adultery with her already in his heart (that is, outside of marriage). Those are just a few of the commandments. It only takes one. I've broken every one. The Bible says that no unrighteous soul will enter heaven and that the penalty for sin is spiritual death. Instead, those found in transgression of the law will spend eternity in hell. It's a real place described more times in the New Testament than Jesus ever talked about love and forgiveness. How do you answer the questions above? Where will you be going when you die? Heaven or hell?

[jumpingjimmy 0]

i don't really believe in any of it

i think when i die, i just stop. i wont experience heaven, i won't experience hell, i won't experience anything. I equate death to what i felt before i was born, nothing. death to me is not having any thoughts, not having any feelings, not having anything at all, its just nothing.

i think "fair play girl" to people like windcatcher, she believe in something that i don't.

[pajarito 0]

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i don't really believe in any of it

i think when i die, i just stop. i wont experience heaven, i won't experience hell, i won't experience anything. I equate death to what i felt before i was born, nothing. death to me is not having any thoughts, not having any feelings, not having anything at all, its just nothing.

i think "fair play girl" to people like windcatcher, she believe in something that i don't.

The fact that you don't believe it is really of no consequence. You can sit down in the middle of the interstate and not believe in trucks and get smashed like a bug. The Bible testimony is solid, reliable, and trustworthy. It says that you will be conscious and will experience the penalty for your lawbreaking for eternity. How did you answer the questions above? If what the Bible says is true, where will you be going when you die? Heaven or hell? Does that concern you?

[jumpingjimmy 0]

ok, if i believe what you're saying is true, i'm going to hell

but no, it doesn't concern me because i don't believe it's true

[pajarito 0]

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ok, if i believe what you're saying is true, i'm going to hell

but no, it doesn't concern me because i don't believe it's true

That's a shame. Seriously. It concerns me, believe it or not, and I don't even know you. I believe it and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[rickjump1 0]

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ok, if i believe what you're saying is true, i'm going to hell

but no, it doesn't concern me because i don't believe it's true

I believe it was Woody Allen who said he wanted to be buried with an extra pair of underwear just incase there really is a heaven. Sure, it's not always that easy living the life of a Christian, but God knows we sin and we can ask for forgiveness. I'm far from perfect; he knows that. It could be one heck (not hell) of an adventure if you tried. Who knows, in the end you might be pleasantly surprised. Why not take the gamble.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[jumpingjimmy 0]

i've been reading and listening to the clicky's in your sinature, interesting stuff, but i just dont get it.

its interesting to read the parachute analogies, grasping to put the rig on as you go through the door of death, hoping you can repent just in time (put the rig on) to save your soul/life. Then saying why not put the rig on in plenty of time/repent and lead your life in the manner of Christ.

its the age old argument though, how do you make somebody believe, or change them to a disbeliever? you can't either way. I dont think either side can put up arguments that will change a person from one camp to another. I find your links interesting (i'm always up for another point of view) but still not enough to make me believe

[pajarito 0]

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I dont think either side can put up arguments that will change a person from one camp to another. I find your links interesting (i'm always up for another point of view) but still not enough to make me believe

I agree. Only God can change one's heart. All I can do is present the evidence. I would just encourage you to seriously consider it. But that's up to you. Word of caution, though. You have a conscious which testifies to the truth. You are "with" "knowledge" now and are accountable. You could die on your next jump. Be ready.

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