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>The two cases he brought up did not mention that the animals
>were either a threat OR a nuisance, and their killings were completely
>unjustified criminal acts.
Well, we don't know that.
If the cats were a threat to other animals (i.e. a pet bird) then killing them to remove the threat isn't much of an issue, although of course it should be a last resort (i.e. a better fence would be a better idea.)
If the cats were just a nuisance (i.e. they scratched on his fenceposts, or yowled all night, or peed on his patio) then killing them would fall into the same moral category (to me) as killing rats. If they are obviously owned by someone (i.e. they have a collar, an RFID or whatnot) then the first step should always be to call animal control or ask around the neighborhood.
If the person in question killed the cats just to see them suffer, or to 'punish' the owner, then he has some serious problems. Unfortunately it can sometimes be hard to determine that.
>were either a threat OR a nuisance, and their killings were completely
>unjustified criminal acts.
Well, we don't know that.
If the cats were a threat to other animals (i.e. a pet bird) then killing them to remove the threat isn't much of an issue, although of course it should be a last resort (i.e. a better fence would be a better idea.)
If the cats were just a nuisance (i.e. they scratched on his fenceposts, or yowled all night, or peed on his patio) then killing them would fall into the same moral category (to me) as killing rats. If they are obviously owned by someone (i.e. they have a collar, an RFID or whatnot) then the first step should always be to call animal control or ask around the neighborhood.
If the person in question killed the cats just to see them suffer, or to 'punish' the owner, then he has some serious problems. Unfortunately it can sometimes be hard to determine that.
jkm2500 0
QuoteI simply pointed out that it makes absolute sense to keep your kid's sand box covered when he isn't using it; I didn't say anything at all about keeping your entire yard under lock and key.
Its not enough to keep the sandbox covered. One of the cats is bold enough to try and use the sandbox if my son gets too far away from it. I have done humane things like spray it with water, and I let the kid chase it out of the yard. My only point is that I can see how some one would take it to this point. Just like a rancher does with coyotes, or how city slickers eradicate the mice and the rats that sometimes cohabitate.
I did not however justify killing for entertainment. In my opinion, companion animals fall into the same catagory as rodents and other vermin. I dont own animals, and think that the practice is somewhat ridiculous. I have a hard time justifying cleaning up messes from my kids. I can't imagine having to clean up poop from a stupid animal (and paying the vet bill, feeding, etc), and yet I am forced to clean up poop from a cat that doesn't even belong to me.
On another note, that cat doesnt just use the sandbox. My sideyard is a nice soft grassy area, but I only walk out there to mow because it is a veritable mine field. So, yea, the cats are a nuisance.
If you feel the need to elevate your pets to people status, that is fine with me. Don't defend my neighbors who rarely clean up crap from thier own cat.
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tigra 0
Well, you know, I didn't want to get into the whole hunting, meating eating leather wearing argument which is why I drew the line at companion animals, specifically pets. I eat meat, I wear leather shoes and I know perfectly normal people who like to hunt and fish. But it seems pretty clear to me that there is something really sick about shooting arrows with the intent of killing your neighbor's cat. Unfortunately, there are a lot of really sick and cruel people out there.
QuoteWell, you know, I didn't want to get into the whole hunting, meating eating leather wearing argument which is why I drew the line at companion animals, specifically pets. I eat meat, I wear leather shoes and I know perfectly normal people who like to hunt and fish. But it seems pretty clear to me that there is something really sick about shooting arrows with the intent of killing your neighbor's cat. Unfortunately, there are a lot of really sick and cruel people out there.
There sure is
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Richards 0
It could be worse. It could have happened to a dog.
No Really. I cannot possibly fathom is wrong inside the head of the individual that did that. I can see killing an animal in self defence. Alternately I can see calling animal control if I had repeatedly had problems with the cat. Firing arrows into a housecat is needless sadism, designed to satisfy the sick perverted sense of amusement that some people seem to have. I hope if they catch the guy, the judge throws the book at him.
Richards
No Really. I cannot possibly fathom is wrong inside the head of the individual that did that. I can see killing an animal in self defence. Alternately I can see calling animal control if I had repeatedly had problems with the cat. Firing arrows into a housecat is needless sadism, designed to satisfy the sick perverted sense of amusement that some people seem to have. I hope if they catch the guy, the judge throws the book at him.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Michele 1
As a proud cat herder, my herd totals 6. Yes, 6. All but one came to me via trapping or rescue, as an adult. All 6 have been neutered/spayed. All six do not go outside, with the rare exception of Simon, who, when outside, goes on a leash. I feed another feral, and often a second cat who lurks the neighborhood, as well.
One of my cats was brutalized before I trapped her; she was so seriously injured that she will forever walk with a limp, and have constant, low-grade pain. I do not know who did this to her, which is why I'm still free to write this; if I ever discovered it, I am more than certain there would be a confrontation of epic proportions...again, which is why I don't really want to know who did this to her.
A few things to note. Cats are nuisances when they are ill, spread illness, are not fixed, and are looking for food. There are a few things you can do (sans shooting them with a bow and arrow) which will help curb the nuisance pattern.
Also realize that cats are not the only critters who pee and poop in someone's yard; raccoons, possums, and various other animals often can be found in the city, and will use the world as their potty. I find these critters far more of a nuisance than a cat, frankly.
For someone to shoot a cat with a bow and arrow is dispicable, horrific and definitely someone who likely will devolve into some sort of brutal behavior towards humans. Abuse of an animal - and in this instance, it most certainly was abuse - generally progresses into abuse of a human, especially if the animal is a housepet or, as Tigra said, a companion animal. It is distinctly different from protection of self/others from an attacking dog. Cats will attack, but rarely...they are far more defensive in their battle tactics than you'd expect. But the original topic is not about a heroic person using whatever was handy to defend themselves/others against a maurading animal...rather, it was about a "nuisance" if even that; more likely, it's about a person who is disturbed acting out a behavior pattern which has been shown to progress into something else.
BTW, a regular domestic cat - not a cougar, puma, et cetera - does not have the jaw size/strength to do damage like a dog does. The threat is less from a cat than a dog, and far less than from a larger cat. Had someone shot a lurking puma or cougar with a bow and arrow I'd think differently, but there could not have been enough provocation to do so. And anyone who'd shoot an animal because they pooped on their lawn is someone I'd rather stay far away from; their temper is short, their need for control is great, and I'd rather not become the human target of such.
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Michele
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While our hearts lie bleeding?~
One of my cats was brutalized before I trapped her; she was so seriously injured that she will forever walk with a limp, and have constant, low-grade pain. I do not know who did this to her, which is why I'm still free to write this; if I ever discovered it, I am more than certain there would be a confrontation of epic proportions...again, which is why I don't really want to know who did this to her.
A few things to note. Cats are nuisances when they are ill, spread illness, are not fixed, and are looking for food. There are a few things you can do (sans shooting them with a bow and arrow) which will help curb the nuisance pattern.
Also realize that cats are not the only critters who pee and poop in someone's yard; raccoons, possums, and various other animals often can be found in the city, and will use the world as their potty. I find these critters far more of a nuisance than a cat, frankly.
For someone to shoot a cat with a bow and arrow is dispicable, horrific and definitely someone who likely will devolve into some sort of brutal behavior towards humans. Abuse of an animal - and in this instance, it most certainly was abuse - generally progresses into abuse of a human, especially if the animal is a housepet or, as Tigra said, a companion animal. It is distinctly different from protection of self/others from an attacking dog. Cats will attack, but rarely...they are far more defensive in their battle tactics than you'd expect. But the original topic is not about a heroic person using whatever was handy to defend themselves/others against a maurading animal...rather, it was about a "nuisance" if even that; more likely, it's about a person who is disturbed acting out a behavior pattern which has been shown to progress into something else.
BTW, a regular domestic cat - not a cougar, puma, et cetera - does not have the jaw size/strength to do damage like a dog does. The threat is less from a cat than a dog, and far less than from a larger cat. Had someone shot a lurking puma or cougar with a bow and arrow I'd think differently, but there could not have been enough provocation to do so. And anyone who'd shoot an animal because they pooped on their lawn is someone I'd rather stay far away from; their temper is short, their need for control is great, and I'd rather not become the human target of such.
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
Richards 0
Quoteanyone who'd shoot an animal because they pooped on their lawn is someone I'd rather stay far away from; their temper is short, their need for control is great, and I'd rather not become the human target of such.
I am inclined to agree. I keep a very large distance between me and someone like that.
Richards
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Would it be less offensive, if the gentleman ate the cat after killing it?QuoteWell, you know, I didn't want to get into the whole hunting, meating eating leather wearing argument which is why I drew the line at companion animals, specifically pets. I eat meat, I wear leather shoes and I know perfectly normal people who like to hunt and fish. But it seems pretty clear to me that there is something really sick about shooting arrows with the intent of killing your neighbor's cat. Unfortunately, there are a lot of really sick and cruel people out there.
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and then made a nice Davey Crockett hat out of it?
Ya know, I keep trying to type out a response saying that I agree with you... but then I look at my leather shoes and think about all the meat that I eat, and I can't really think too harshly of people who kill animals without thinking that I am one of them. Sure, it's different if they are just killing them for the sake of amusement, but those of us who support the killing of animals through consumption don't have much right to claim moral superiority...
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