Guest #51 April 18, 2006 Quote>I constantly have about 8-10 disease ridden wild animals on my property. Trap em and take them to animal control. Alternatively, trap em and let em go 50 miles away. That's exactly what we did with a feral cat (a very aggressive tom) that was causing serious problems. The owner wouldn't do anything about it, so we did. We got nasty looks from the owners for a while, but they were later evicted. ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #52 April 18, 2006 QuoteBut it seems pretty clear to me that there is something really sick about shooting arrows with the intent of killing your neighbor's cat. So am I a psychopath if I decide to poison the gophers that tear up my yard??? They're pretty similar to cats, physically, but does the fact that they're not usually kept as pets and that they tear up people's yards make it ok to kill them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #53 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteBut it seems pretty clear to me that there is something really sick about shooting arrows with the intent of killing your neighbor's cat. So am I a psychopath if I decide to poison the gophers that tear up my yard??? They're pretty similar to cats, physically, but does the fact that they're not usually kept as pets and that they tear up people's yards make it ok to kill them? or encourage a hawk to hang around, he will act likes a buffet restaurant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #54 April 18, 2006 Wow- someone else putting words in my mouth just for the sake of an argument. Great job! This thread wasn't started as a discussion about how to deal with destructive rodents or even aggressive dogs for that matter. It was started by someone who seems to believe that cruelly killing small animals is an a) understandable act if the animal bothers you in any way and b) appropriate punishment for irresponsible pet owners. That is a position that I cannot and will not support. And yes, I do see an obvious difference between dealing with a rodent problem and using the neighbors cats for target practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #55 April 18, 2006 I'm renting traps from the humane society. The funny thing is, they 'euthanize' them when you bring them in. So, I guess they are all a bunch of sociopaths down there at the damn humane society..... I wonder if they'll let me watch? Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
briguy 0 #56 April 18, 2006 The article mentions nothing about the pierced cat being someone's pet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #57 April 18, 2006 Again- you are talking about feral cats which in those numbers especially can pose a health risk. AND, they are being humanely trapped and euthanized NOT being used for target practice. Sad yes, but if you can't see the obvious difference, that's your issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #58 April 18, 2006 QuoteWow- someone else putting words in my mouth just for the sake of an argument. Great job! This thread wasn't started as a discussion about how to deal with destructive rodents or even aggressive dogs for that matter. It was started by someone who seems to believe that cruelly killing small animals is an a) understandable act if the animal bothers you in any way and b) appropriate punishment for irresponsible pet owners. That is a position that I cannot and will not support. And yes, I do see an obvious difference between dealing with a rodent problem and using the neighbors cats for target practice. Damn straight. Has a rodent ever saved someone's life? BERLIN (Reuters) - A cat saved the life of a newborn baby abandoned on the doorstep of a Cologne house in the middle of the night by meowing loudly until someone woke up, a police spokesman said on Saturday. "The cat is a hero," Cologne police spokesman Uwe Beier said. "Its loud meowing got the attention of the homeowner and saved the baby from suffering life-threatening hypothermia. The homeowner opened door to see why the cat was making so much noise and discovered the newborn." Beier said the boy was taken to hospital at 5 a.m. on Thursday, when overnight temperatures fell toward zero, and had suffered only mild hypothermia. He said there was no indication of what happened to the boy's mother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #59 April 18, 2006 Quoteor encourage a hawk to hang around, he will act likes a buffet restaurant We have the coolest hawk that hangs out in our backyard sometimes. We can see his nest in a tree behind our house. And there is another tree where he often sits to eat his prey, and we can see little bits of fur that he leaves there. He is absolutely beautiful, and deadly... such is life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #60 April 18, 2006 Quoteyou are talking about feral cats which in those numbers especially can pose a health risk. AND, they are being humanely trapped and euthanized NOT being used for target practice. Sad yes, but if you can't see the obvious difference, that's your issue. What exactly is your definition of humane? Is it humane for two cats to fight to the death? Is it humane for a cat to die of disease or starvation? Is it humane to be hit by a car? Is it humane to drown? Or is humane through some form of lethal injection? Or by gunshot? What is humane?The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #61 April 18, 2006 QuoteWow- someone else putting words in my mouth just for the sake of an argument. Welcome to Speakers Corner. And yeah, I'd probably agree that whoever was shooting the cats with arrows is a sicko... but I'd still have to argue that letting your pets roam the neighborhood is irresponsible and is inviting such activities of the sickos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #62 April 18, 2006 QuoteAnd yeah, I'd probably agree that whoever was shooting the cats with arrows is a sicko... Is a person a sicko when dropping poison down a rathole? Is a person a sicko for shooting a coyote? Why does this act qualify a person as a sicko? Does this act make the person who did this a bad person? Or is it only different because you have cats as pets, and therefore there is a psychological connection? If the person who did this used broadheads, I dont think that it would have made the news, the cat would have died in a matter of seconds. I know people who have done a lot worse with nuisance cats. But then again I grew up in the country. THere were plenty of nuisance animals.The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #63 April 18, 2006 They really are two separate issues. One of the many reasons I don't let my cats freely roam the neighborhood is because there are too many sickos out there. I agree that allowing your cats to freely roam the neighborhood is irresponsible but to say its INVITING such activities is taking it too far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #64 April 18, 2006 QuoteLetting the cats roam is irresponsible. They should be kept in the house. I'll keep my cat in the house if you keep the kids and beer cans and trash out of my yard along with the mice and the moles. QuoteNow, I didnt advocate the use of bow and arrow to get rid of the nuisance cats. But I can see how someone would Maybe I should try it out on the kids and the people that litter in my yard. I would much rather have something bio-degradable instead of human trash. jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #65 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd yeah, I'd probably agree that whoever was shooting the cats with arrows is a sicko... Is a person a sicko when dropping poison down a rathole? .... See, again... I don't know... the article was not clear enough regarding whether the animal had been a nuisance or not... and personally, if I did need to kill an animal for some reason, I'd find the quickest way possible and not intentionally try to cause suffering to it... but the cat in this story survived for quite a while, probably suffering quite a bit, so I would be curious to know the intentions of the shooter, and my first thoughts are that the person likely has some mental problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #66 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteLetting the cats roam is irresponsible. They should be kept in the house. I'll keep my cat in the house if you keep the kids and beer cans and trash out of my yard along with the mice and the moles. You have neighbors that have mice and moles as pets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #67 April 18, 2006 Possible translation- the trash the kids leave behind attracts the mice and moles which her cat happily rids the neighborhood of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #68 April 18, 2006 QuoteI'll keep my cat in the house if you keep the kids and beer cans and trash out of my yard along with the mice and the moles. Does your cat keep the kids and trash out of the yard? Of course I wasnt talking about picking up trash, I was talking about picking up cat shit out of my yard. QuoteMaybe I should try it out on the kids and the people that litter in my yard. I would much rather have something bio-degradable instead of human trash. There was a guy who took care of a nuisance kid, he will probably get life. But then again, I can understand his plight also. I wont defend him, but I will empathize, a nuisance is a nuisance. http://www.wdtn.com/dsp_story.cfm?storyid=32306The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #69 April 18, 2006 QuotePossible translation- the trash the kids leave behind attracts the mice and moles which her happily rids the neighborhood of. Hmm, I have no kids and no beer cans, yet I still have a problem with mice (actually rats) and moles. Poisoning these pests doesn't seem too much different to me than poisoning a neighbor's nuisance cat. (But to be honest, I have a pretty hard time killing any animal - it would have to be causing a serious problem that I had tried many ways to solve before I could bring myself to actually kill it!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #70 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuotePossible translation- the trash the kids leave behind attracts the mice and moles which her happily rids the neighborhood of. Hmm, I have no kids and no beer cans, yet I still have a problem with mice (actually rats) and moles. Poisoning these pests doesn't seem too much different to me than poisoning a neighbor's nuisance cat. (But to be honest, I have a pretty hard time killing any animal - it would have to be causing a serious problem that I had tried many ways to solve before I could bring myself to actually kill it!) http://www.airforceairguns.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #71 April 18, 2006 I would never harm a neighbors cat that roams in my yard, as long as the cat was receiving the required shots and was not causing problems. Feral cats are a different story, as they are no different than any other wild animal like raccoons or coyotes. As far as humane treatment goes, one could make an argument that shooting these animals is more humane than allowing them to die of disease, cold, starvation, or car tire. That being said, my plan is to trap them and let the humane society off them, mostly for legal concerns rather than moral ones. My hope is that once the neighbors see the trap they stop feeding them. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #72 April 18, 2006 Actually, I have a suggestion for dealing with your neighbor and her cat's shit in your yard. Shovel it up and deposit it back in her yard or on her front steps. She'll get the message eventually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #73 April 18, 2006 QuoteActually, I have a suggestion for dealing with your neighbor and her cat's shit in your yard. Shovel it up and deposit it back in her yard or on her front steps. She'll get the message eventually. Good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #74 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteActually, I have a suggestion for dealing with your neighbor and her cat's shit in your yard. Shovel it up and deposit it back in her yard or on her front steps. She'll get the message eventually. Good idea. I had an employee that had this happen to him. He was grateful, that meant he didn't have to go all over the courtyard looking for shit. The neighbor brought it to his front step - He only ever had to clean up one spot - and he didn't have to go far to get there. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #75 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteActually, I have a suggestion for dealing with your neighbor and her cat's shit in your yard. Shovel it up and deposit it back in her yard or on her front steps. She'll get the message eventually. Good idea. I had an employee that had this happen to him. He was grateful, that meant he didn't have to go all over the courtyard looking for shit. The neighbor brought it to his front step - He only ever had to clean up one spot - and he didn't have to go far to get there. Well I'm sure that there is some great philospophy to be found in that story... something about how the shit that we leave around all comes back to us, or something like that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites