Religiosity attributed to vitamin deficiency

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That statement might be congruent with a belief that religious fervor is a mental dysfunction as well.

It could be. Not saying it is, but I am open to the idea that it might be. Not the standard "I believe in God" type. But maybe the "I would kill for God" type.

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There is nothing wrong with a man who loves God; neither is there anything wrong with a man who loves other men.

Agreed. My point is that if a person is willing to attribute religion to a vitamin deficiency, then they should be willing to attribute other things as well. Or at least be tolerant of someone who does.

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Religious faith IS a mental dysfunction, regardless of the cause.

Proof?

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Religious faith IS a mental dysfunction, regardless of the cause.

Proof?

It is a matter of faith

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My point is that if a person is willing to attribute religion to a vitamin deficiency, then they should be willing to attribute other things as well. Or at least be tolerant of someone who does.

Are those who are religiously intollerant of others ever going to be tolerant of others.... I think not.

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Are those who are religiously intollerant of others ever going to be tolerant of others.... I think not.

Oh, so its OK all around then?

I mean if you support one situation/group/person to be intollerant, but not others that smacks of hypocrisy.

Is it so hard to have an open mind and listen to theories that do not fit into your world?

I find it funny that some grab on to this as "Proof" that religions are jacked up, but cry when their situation or group is put into the exact same situation.

All I ever said is that if you are willing to to attribute religion to a vitamin deficiency, then they should be willing to attribute other things as well.

Don't most gays say that being gay is biological, not a choice? So if I am willing to accept that, then I should also be willing to accept that religion could be a biological choice as well.

I, in fact, think both ideas have merit and will not dismiss one based on preference.

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I find it funny that some grab on to this as "Proof" that religions are jacked up, but cry when their situation or group is put into the exact same situation.

I find it funny that you're so hung up on these two things but neither of them happened:

* Nobody in this thread has "grabbed on to this as 'proof'" of anything. I simply said a doctor passed on a summary of some research that hints at a possibility.

* Nobody in this thread has cried when their situation or group has been put into the exact same situation. You're obviously talking about me but you have NEVER heard me say anything like you're going on about.

You make up fantasies of other people's misbehaviors, convince yourself they happened, then hold others accountable for them.

My god man! Are you aware of how ridiculous that is? Stop working yourself up over fictions. Or are you so starved for drama that you have to make it up to satiate yourself?

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Or are you so starved for drama that you have to make it up to satiate yourself?

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The only thing that is apparent is that you know of several men that told you a story, and you seem eager to believe it, with absolutely nothing to back it up, not even a smidgen of undeniable (to anyone) concrete evidence outside of logical games of semantics. I don't doubt that someone with an agenda made a presentation to others about how they could use this startling information to enslave people to their will. Plenty of research is bogus for many reasons. One should be skeptical with research that has such huge potential to be politically motivated.

Huge opportunity to show intolerance, I think.

Please post this in reply to anyone who backs up their claims with biblical scripture. I found it quite fitting with a few minor contextual adjustments.

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>I mean if you support one situation/group/person to be
>intollerant, but not others that smacks of hypocrisy.

So if you think that the KKK is intolerant, but the Unitarian Universalist church is pretty tolerant, you're a hypocrite? If you think the US is tolerant of different cultures, but Iran isn't, you're a hypocrite?

Odd perspective.

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Please post this in reply to anyone who backs up their claims with biblical scripture. I found it quite fitting with a few minor contextual adjustments.

Sundevil is pretty sharp, I think the comparison was on purpose and very obvious. (and pretty good too )

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The only thing that is apparent is that you know of several men that told you a story, and you seem eager to believe it, with absolutely nothing to back it up, not even a smidgen of undeniable (to anyone) concrete evidence outside of logical games of semantics. I don't doubt that someone with an agenda made a presentation to others about how they could use this startling information to enslave people to their will. Plenty of research is bogus for many reasons. One should be skeptical with research that has such huge potential to be politically motivated.

Huge opportunity to show intolerance, I think.

Please post this in reply to anyone who backs up their claims with biblical scripture. I found it quite fitting with a few minor contextual adjustments.

That was not what I wrote. Please don't revise my post and then put it within a /reply box.

What I wrote was:

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The only thing that is apparent is that you know a doctor that told you a story, and you seem eager to believe it, with absolutely nothing to back it up, not even a reference to an article in a medical journal or minutes from the proceedings of a conference. I don't doubt that someone at a conference made some presentation of some research, but I don't think that is enough to conclude that apparently it is a factor. Plenty of research is bogus for many reasons. One should be skeptical with research that has such huge potential to be politically motivated.

Huge opportunity to show intolerance, I think.

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I find it funny that you're so hung up on these two things but neither of them happened:

Yeah, right. You also didn't move to Canada right?

You posted this to put an attack against religion. Thats cool, I can even agree to a point with what your Dr. buddy said.

But I asked a few questions that you refuse to answer since it would hurt your stance. Not answering them is lame and the best you can do to counter and avoid answering questions is to try and make it look like I never agreed and asked any questions.

Your dogging is clear.

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Or are you so starved for drama that you have to make it up to satiate yourself?

This from you? A guy that posts things to start drama? Why else would you post this since you clearly do not wish to discuss it since you will not answer any questions.

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So if you think that the KKK is intolerant, but the Unitarian Universalist church is pretty tolerant, you're a hypocrite? If you think the US is tolerant of different cultures, but Iran isn't, you're a hypocrite?

Odd perspective.

Thats not what I meant so either I didn't say it right, or you took it wrong. My point was that I find it funny when on group wants to say something like, "Vitamin deficiency causes a person to be religious". But they will not accept that the same disorder could have other effects such as homosexuality. And refuses to even discuss the possibilities.

That is hypocrisy, would you not agree?

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Yeah, right. You also didn't move to Canada right?

I won't participate in this hijack. The topic is religiosity and vitamin deficiencies, not your interpretations of my personal life. If you want to discuss different topics, start a new thread.

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But I asked a few questions that you refuse to answer since it would hurt your stance.

You sure do like to interpret my intentions and announce your opinion as revealed truth. You KNOW why I moved. You KNOW why I do or don't respond. You probably KNOW what I want for dinner too, right?

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This from you? A guy that posts things to start drama? Why else would you post this since you clearly do not wish to discuss it since you will not answer any questions.

And now you KNOW why I started the thread. My god! Do you KNOW what I like to read, eat, and do in bed? Do you KNOW where I left my keys?

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This is the kind of BS emotional response I expected. You post something to start drama, and then will not even discuss it. That is amazing...Why bother to post it, if you are unwilling to discuss it?

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This is the kind of BS emotional response I expected. You post something to start drama, and then will not even discuss it. That is amazing...Why bother to post it, if you are unwilling to discuss it?

Nobody said I'm unwilling to discuss it (except you.) What I am unwilling to do is participate in hijacking my own thread. You (and others) are obsessed with redirecting the discussion of religiosity and vitamin deficiency to homosexuality.

One might wonder why. Maybe I'll look at your posting history to see if you redirect other topics to homosexuality. Maybe that's an interesting clue in itself.... hmm....

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Narcimund, I have no idea where you left your keys. Check the sofa - that's where mine always end up - either that or the microwave. Don't ask.

Look...those who are stating that the potential exists that vitamin deficiency may also create other "issues" which aren't really issues, imho, is a real one. When you get all bent out of shape and angry, it doesn't serve you at all.

Frankly, I'm bothered more that people spent money better spent elsewhere in testing for vitamin deficiencies and correlating them with religiousity. There's nothing wrong with being religious, or spiritual, or having a relationship with a Creator. Nothing wrong at all. So why waste the money trying to demonstrate a correlation like that?

One could easily argue the same for homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with it, and so why bother spending the money to test for a correlation between homosexuality and vitamin deficiencies?

And one could argue the same for those with a preference towards vegetarianism. Or flat shoes v. high heels (I hate heels...). Or athletically inclined 10 year olds v. bookworms. Or...or...or...

See, that's what the issue is. Why is religiousity considered something which should be "cured" or might be caused by a vitamin deficiency? I'd rather discover a cure for a problem, like vitamin C and it's interaction with mumps, or the best vitamin regime to prevent baldness...or even, what vitamins are best with SSRIs?

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So if you think that the KKK is intolerant, but the Unitarian Universalist church is pretty tolerant, you're a hypocrite? If you think the US is tolerant of different cultures, but Iran isn't, you're a hypocrite?

Odd perspective.

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Thats not what I meant so either I didn't say it right, or you took it wrong. My point was that I find it funny when on group wants to say something like, "Vitamin deficiency causes a person to be religious". But they will not accept that the same disorder could have other effects such as homosexuality. And refuses to even discuss the possibilities.

That is hypocrisy, would you not agree?

DaVinci, your point was very clear to me and I'm sure to many who can read. The only mistake you made was to hold up a mirror.

Chris

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When you get all bent out of shape and angry, it doesn't serve you at all.

Since you're generally level headed and don't have a long history of smashing me at every turn for my homosexuality I'll say it politely ONE MORE TIME.

I'm not bent out of shape about people who have theories about the origins of homosexuality. I've NEVER argued against them. Study my posting history if you like. Read my published works. Ask my friends!

I'm not going to dance with the obsessive people who can't see a post by "Narcimund" without bashing me and turning everything to my sexual orientation. When I post about my dinner, they turn it into "Gay Dinner!"

And by the way, thanks for your concern, but I didn't actually lose my keys. That was just a figure of speech.

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Nobody said I'm unwilling to discuss it (except you.) What I am unwilling to do is participate in hijacking my own thread. You (and others) are obsessed with redirecting the discussion of religiosity and vitamin deficiency to homosexuality.

Let's see, you start a thread that suggests that there is a possibility that religious people have a medical problem and that perhaps we could eradicate religiosity by using vitamin supplements.

I cannot believe you of all people would even consider such a thing. The fact you even gave this theory a 2nd thought...enough to start a thread about it, screams hypocrisy to me.

I've read some interesting threads by you. This is not one of them.

Chris

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Frankly, I'm bothered more that people spent money better spent elsewhere in testing for vitamin deficiencies and correlating them with religiousity. There's nothing wrong with being religious, or spiritual, or having a relationship with a Creator. Nothing wrong at all. So why waste the money trying to demonstrate a correlation like that?

One could easily argue the same for homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with it, and so why bother spending the money to test for a correlation between homosexuality and vitamin deficiencies?

Why bother to research a link between vitamin deficiency and religious faith?

Intolerance.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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And by the way, thanks for your concern, but I didn't actually lose my keys. That was just a figure of speech.

Thanks for the compliment, and no, I don't give a damn about your sexual orientation. I do know that getting angry - even if someone else deserves it, and it's righteous - doesn't serve you and your point. And I'm not taking sides, except to say that I tend to expect more evenhandedness from you, as you do from me.

So, let me ask.

What about religiousity should be cured by vitamin deficiencies? Why would this be an important finding? And how would it benefit people at large? While I know it's very preliminary in it's findings, the study is interesting in it's target group, and I am not completely sure I understand it. I'd be very clear if they said "vitamin deficiency can be correlated to MS," as that's a disease...but to consider religiousity a disease is a stretch.

So what is your position on this study?

Ciels-
Michele

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While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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then again, it could be all bullshit, religion, vitamins, doctors, dinners etc.