Skyrad 0 #301 June 26, 2006 Don't you?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #302 June 26, 2006 QuoteSo God created genetic problems for siblings after the fact? Odd that he did so for every species on the planet at the same time. The whole world was made imperfect. Not just man. QuoteAnd to Adam he said, Because you have hearkened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it: cursed in the ground for your sake; in sorrow shall you eat of it all the days of your life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to you; and you shall eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return. Genesis 3:17-19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #303 June 26, 2006 QuoteDo you actually, literally believe that stuff? That Adam and Eve were real people in the garden of Eden, Yes. Who do you believe were the first 2 people on Earth? Quotethat the first humans really lived till they were hundreds of years old? QuoteAfter the fall, the genetic line of Adam and his descendents was very pure, so their health would have been incredible. Living that long would not have been a problem. Also, some theologians think that there was a canopy of water that engulfed the entire earth and that it was released at the time of the flood. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life , in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened," (Gen. 7:11). The "floodgates of the sky" are sometimes alluded to as great amounts of water suspended in the sky. Also, no rain is recorded in the Bible until after the flood which seems to support this idea. This canopy, if it is true, might have provided some sort of protection from the sun's harmful rays. We can't know for sure and it is only a theory. Nevertheless, after the flood, the lifespan of people on earth was drastically reduced. "Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years," (Gen. 6:3). Whether or not this reduced canopy had any affect on human lifespan may never be known. Did people really live hundreds of years according to Genesis? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #304 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat is a "distant sister"? A female descendant? Come on man… And if "distant sister" means "descendant", you've tied yourself in circles. Cain and Able can't have their first kids from their own descendents. They had to have their first kids either with Eve or their own normal, everyday sisters. THERE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ANYONE ELSE YET! And "distant sister" is not a common term so if you think it is, you'll have to explain it. That gets you further in debate than saying "Come on man" as if we'll all feel bad for being ignorant. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #305 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteAfter the fall, the genetic line of Adam and his descendents was very pure, so their health would have been incredible. Living that long would not have been a problem. Wait a second... the genetic line is pure at first but gets less pure with time? HOW? If there are only two people in the whole world, then all the human genes in the whole world are all right there. Where do other genes get mixed in to create impurity? And by the way, you might want to be careful with this notion of "genetic purity leads to health" theory. Some very unpopular groups have gotten themselves into hot water with that sort of talk. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #306 June 26, 2006 QuoteYes. Oh. Why?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #307 June 26, 2006 QuoteAnd if "distant sister" means "descendant", you've tied yourself in circles. Cain and Able can't have their first kids from their own descendents. They had to have their first kids either with Eve or their own normal, everyday sisters. THERE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ANYONE ELSE YET! And "distant sister" is not a common term so if you think it is, you'll have to explain it. That gets you further in debate than saying "Come on man" as if we'll all feel bad for being ignorant. QuoteMany ask this question thinking they’ve found a "mistake" in the Bible—that there must have been other people besides Adam and Eve. Scripture tells us that Adam is "the first man" (1 Corinthians 15:45); that there were no other humans when he was created, because God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone" (Genesis 2:18); and that Eve is "the mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20). Cain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #308 June 26, 2006 QuoteWait a second... the genetic line is pure at first but gets less pure with time? HOW? I don't know. QuoteIf there are only two people in the whole world, then all the human genes in the whole world are all right there. Where do other genes get mixed in to create impurity? Man and the world were cursed from that point on. QuoteAnd by the way, you might want to be careful with this notion of "genetic purity leads to health" theory. Some very unpopular groups have gotten themselves into hot water with that sort of talk. So what are you trying to say? I'm not being racial. Remember the context of our conversation? We're talking about the first people on earth. They were all of one race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #309 June 26, 2006 QuoteCain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. So why the term 'distant sister'. According to that explanation she was his full sister sharing both parents. I agree with Kallend here - the 'distant' part is just meaningless wordplay to fool the reader into thinking its slightly less incestuous.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #310 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd if "distant sister" means "descendant", you've tied yourself in circles. Cain and Able can't have their first kids from their own descendents. They had to have their first kids either with Eve or their own normal, everyday sisters. THERE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ANYONE ELSE YET! And "distant sister" is not a common term so if you think it is, you'll have to explain it. That gets you further in debate than saying "Come on man" as if we'll all feel bad for being ignorant. QuoteMany ask this question thinking they’ve found a "mistake" in the Bible—that there must have been other people besides Adam and Eve. Scripture tells us that Adam is "the first man" (1 Corinthians 15:45); that there were no other humans when he was created, because God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone" (Genesis 2:18); and that Eve is "the mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20). Cain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. I find it hard to grasp that anyone anywhere can actually believe this stuff. At least Greek mythology was self-consistent; Zeus behaves more rationally than this. Why would a Triple-O God reveal his existence in such a way that requires such amazing logical distortions to explain?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #311 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteCain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. So why the term 'distant sister'. According to that explanation she was his full sister sharing both parents. I agree with Kallend here - the 'distant' part is just meaningless wordplay to fool the reader into thinking its slightly less incestuous. The term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #312 June 26, 2006 QuoteWhy would a Triple-O God reveal his existence in such a way that requires such amazing logical distortions to explain? Just because you don't understand doesn't mean that there are logical distortions. You just have a presupposition when you read it. I'll admit, I do too. Just opposite from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #313 June 26, 2006 QuoteThe term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean there. Are you talking about lesbians, 'cos I can dig thatDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #314 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteCain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. So why the term 'distant sister'. According to that explanation she was his full sister sharing both parents. I agree with Kallend here - the 'distant' part is just meaningless wordplay to fool the reader into thinking its slightly less incestuous. The term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Intermarrying with whom? Maybe Cain fathered a daughter by Eve, and then married her (thereby becoming his own father- in-law and grandfather to his son, which makes him his own father, and his own son, and .....). Either that, or it's his full sister and "distant" is just more weasel wording.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #315 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean there. Are you talking about lesbians, 'cos I can dig that I'll admit. This confuses the heck out of me. Although, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. Bottom line is nobody knows for sure. Sisters married brothers, cousins, so on, so on... It was just stated as a contradiction before. Just b/c it's not explained in the detain that you might want does not make it a contradiction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #316 June 26, 2006 QuoteIntermarrying with whom? Maybe Cain fathered a daughter by Eve, and then married her (thereby becoming his own father- in-law and grandfather to his son, which makes him his own father, and his own son, and .....). Either that, or it's his full sister and "distant" is just more weasel wording. I don't really know dude. What's more important is where will you be going when you die? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #317 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf there are only two people in the whole world, then all the human genes in the whole world are all right there. Where do other genes get mixed in to create impurity? Man and the world were cursed from that point on. So you're telling us that God introduced genetic "impurities" to the human race on some periodic basis? (You said that the risk of genetic problems increased over time.) Presumably you're saying that god made a nasty little mutation every once in a while. Maybe one new flaw each day, or maybe one per child. That's a clever little theory. Oddly sadistic, like a cat tormenting a mouse for hours just to cause continuing pain and terror. But that does fit the rest of your diety's character. By the way, where in the bible do you get this fascinating information about genetics and mutation? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #318 June 26, 2006 Going on up to the spirit in the sky! (God willing)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #319 June 26, 2006 QuoteI'll admit. This confuses the heck out of me. Although, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. Yeah, you do seem confused. Let me try to sort it out. Cain and Able are brothers from the same two parents. Sisters of one are also sisters of the other. Come on man... Or is this more of the feels-good-but-meaningless wordplay like "distant sisters" to make us feel God's plan isn't really incestuous? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #320 June 26, 2006 QuoteAlthough, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. LMAO. Any sisters are full sisters of both - no ifs, no buts. Hell, in the CARM stuff you quoted they admit that all 1st gen siblings intermarried. The 'distant sisters' part is just meaningless wordplay to make it seem slightly more acceptable.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #321 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'll admit. This confuses the heck out of me. Although, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. Yeah, you do seem confused. Let me try to sort it out. Cain and Able are brothers from the same two parents. Sisters of one are also sisters of the other. Come on man... Or is this more of the feels-good-but-meaningless wordplay like "distant sisters" to make us feel God's plan isn't really incestuous? UM, you guys do know that the Bible says that Adam & Eve had more children than just Cain & Abel, right? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #322 June 26, 2006 QuoteUM, you guys do know that the Bible says that Adam & Eve had more children than just Cain & Abel, right? UM... yes. Could you please read the discussion again (and a little more carefully this time)? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #323 June 26, 2006 QuoteUM, you guys do know that the Bible says that Adam & Eve had more children than just Cain & Abel, right? Yes, thats the whole point Curses, beaten againDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #324 June 26, 2006 >Who do you believe were the first 2 people on Earth? That's like asking what the first english word was, or who the first musician was, or when the first person conceived of the idea of "freedom." But there is actually a more generic answer to your question. There is a MRCA for every man and woman on the planet. (most recent common ancestor.) In other words, go far enough back, and we're all related through one man and one woman. The most recent of those people could be called "adam" and "eve" if you were of religious bent. There's another angle on this. If you go back far enough you can find one woman who shares mitochondrial DNA with all women living today; she was the most recent common matrilineal ancestor of all humanity. This "mitochondrial eve" probably lived about 150,000 years ago in an area near Ethiopia. Of course, these ancestors were just one of the hundreds of thousands of people on the planet at the time. >After the fall, the genetic line of Adam and his descendents was >very pure, so their health would have been incredible. ?? Now wait a minute. You just said that God introduced all the genetic problems that make it dangerous for siblings to reproduce BEFORE all this! So which is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #325 June 26, 2006 QuoteBy the way, where in the bible do you get this fascinating information about genetics and mutation? I don't believe I said anything with reference to the Bible concerning genetic mutation. I just said that people and the world were cursed after the fall of Adam and Eve. I quoted that previously. A read of Genesis will also tell you that the the world was a very different place prior to that. 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jakee 1,489 #306 June 26, 2006 QuoteYes. Oh. Why?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #307 June 26, 2006 QuoteAnd if "distant sister" means "descendant", you've tied yourself in circles. Cain and Able can't have their first kids from their own descendents. They had to have their first kids either with Eve or their own normal, everyday sisters. THERE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ANYONE ELSE YET! And "distant sister" is not a common term so if you think it is, you'll have to explain it. That gets you further in debate than saying "Come on man" as if we'll all feel bad for being ignorant. QuoteMany ask this question thinking they’ve found a "mistake" in the Bible—that there must have been other people besides Adam and Eve. Scripture tells us that Adam is "the first man" (1 Corinthians 15:45); that there were no other humans when he was created, because God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone" (Genesis 2:18); and that Eve is "the mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20). Cain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #308 June 26, 2006 QuoteWait a second... the genetic line is pure at first but gets less pure with time? HOW? I don't know. QuoteIf there are only two people in the whole world, then all the human genes in the whole world are all right there. Where do other genes get mixed in to create impurity? Man and the world were cursed from that point on. QuoteAnd by the way, you might want to be careful with this notion of "genetic purity leads to health" theory. Some very unpopular groups have gotten themselves into hot water with that sort of talk. So what are you trying to say? I'm not being racial. Remember the context of our conversation? We're talking about the first people on earth. They were all of one race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #309 June 26, 2006 QuoteCain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. So why the term 'distant sister'. According to that explanation she was his full sister sharing both parents. I agree with Kallend here - the 'distant' part is just meaningless wordplay to fool the reader into thinking its slightly less incestuous.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #310 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnd if "distant sister" means "descendant", you've tied yourself in circles. Cain and Able can't have their first kids from their own descendents. They had to have their first kids either with Eve or their own normal, everyday sisters. THERE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ANYONE ELSE YET! And "distant sister" is not a common term so if you think it is, you'll have to explain it. That gets you further in debate than saying "Come on man" as if we'll all feel bad for being ignorant. QuoteMany ask this question thinking they’ve found a "mistake" in the Bible—that there must have been other people besides Adam and Eve. Scripture tells us that Adam is "the first man" (1 Corinthians 15:45); that there were no other humans when he was created, because God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone" (Genesis 2:18); and that Eve is "the mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20). Cain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. I find it hard to grasp that anyone anywhere can actually believe this stuff. At least Greek mythology was self-consistent; Zeus behaves more rationally than this. Why would a Triple-O God reveal his existence in such a way that requires such amazing logical distortions to explain?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #311 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteCain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. So why the term 'distant sister'. According to that explanation she was his full sister sharing both parents. I agree with Kallend here - the 'distant' part is just meaningless wordplay to fool the reader into thinking its slightly less incestuous. The term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #312 June 26, 2006 QuoteWhy would a Triple-O God reveal his existence in such a way that requires such amazing logical distortions to explain? Just because you don't understand doesn't mean that there are logical distortions. You just have a presupposition when you read it. I'll admit, I do too. Just opposite from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #313 June 26, 2006 QuoteThe term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean there. Are you talking about lesbians, 'cos I can dig thatDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #314 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteCain and Abel, then, must have married distant sisters. All of the first-generation siblings married each other in order to populate the earth. At that time there was no law against incest. But as the population grew large enough, and as the risk of genetic problems increased because of sin’s curse, God outlawed marriage between siblings. So why the term 'distant sister'. According to that explanation she was his full sister sharing both parents. I agree with Kallend here - the 'distant' part is just meaningless wordplay to fool the reader into thinking its slightly less incestuous. The term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Intermarrying with whom? Maybe Cain fathered a daughter by Eve, and then married her (thereby becoming his own father- in-law and grandfather to his son, which makes him his own father, and his own son, and .....). Either that, or it's his full sister and "distant" is just more weasel wording.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #315 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe term was "distant sisters" I think they're talking of sisters of both Cain and Abel intermarrying. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean there. Are you talking about lesbians, 'cos I can dig that I'll admit. This confuses the heck out of me. Although, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. Bottom line is nobody knows for sure. Sisters married brothers, cousins, so on, so on... It was just stated as a contradiction before. Just b/c it's not explained in the detain that you might want does not make it a contradiction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #316 June 26, 2006 QuoteIntermarrying with whom? Maybe Cain fathered a daughter by Eve, and then married her (thereby becoming his own father- in-law and grandfather to his son, which makes him his own father, and his own son, and .....). Either that, or it's his full sister and "distant" is just more weasel wording. I don't really know dude. What's more important is where will you be going when you die? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #317 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf there are only two people in the whole world, then all the human genes in the whole world are all right there. Where do other genes get mixed in to create impurity? Man and the world were cursed from that point on. So you're telling us that God introduced genetic "impurities" to the human race on some periodic basis? (You said that the risk of genetic problems increased over time.) Presumably you're saying that god made a nasty little mutation every once in a while. Maybe one new flaw each day, or maybe one per child. That's a clever little theory. Oddly sadistic, like a cat tormenting a mouse for hours just to cause continuing pain and terror. But that does fit the rest of your diety's character. By the way, where in the bible do you get this fascinating information about genetics and mutation? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #318 June 26, 2006 Going on up to the spirit in the sky! (God willing)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #319 June 26, 2006 QuoteI'll admit. This confuses the heck out of me. Although, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. Yeah, you do seem confused. Let me try to sort it out. Cain and Able are brothers from the same two parents. Sisters of one are also sisters of the other. Come on man... Or is this more of the feels-good-but-meaningless wordplay like "distant sisters" to make us feel God's plan isn't really incestuous? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #320 June 26, 2006 QuoteAlthough, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. LMAO. Any sisters are full sisters of both - no ifs, no buts. Hell, in the CARM stuff you quoted they admit that all 1st gen siblings intermarried. The 'distant sisters' part is just meaningless wordplay to make it seem slightly more acceptable.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #321 June 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'll admit. This confuses the heck out of me. Although, I think Cain marries a sister of Abel. Abel marries a sister of Cain. Yeah, you do seem confused. Let me try to sort it out. Cain and Able are brothers from the same two parents. Sisters of one are also sisters of the other. Come on man... Or is this more of the feels-good-but-meaningless wordplay like "distant sisters" to make us feel God's plan isn't really incestuous? UM, you guys do know that the Bible says that Adam & Eve had more children than just Cain & Abel, right? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #322 June 26, 2006 QuoteUM, you guys do know that the Bible says that Adam & Eve had more children than just Cain & Abel, right? UM... yes. Could you please read the discussion again (and a little more carefully this time)? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #323 June 26, 2006 QuoteUM, you guys do know that the Bible says that Adam & Eve had more children than just Cain & Abel, right? Yes, thats the whole point Curses, beaten againDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #324 June 26, 2006 >Who do you believe were the first 2 people on Earth? That's like asking what the first english word was, or who the first musician was, or when the first person conceived of the idea of "freedom." But there is actually a more generic answer to your question. There is a MRCA for every man and woman on the planet. (most recent common ancestor.) In other words, go far enough back, and we're all related through one man and one woman. The most recent of those people could be called "adam" and "eve" if you were of religious bent. There's another angle on this. If you go back far enough you can find one woman who shares mitochondrial DNA with all women living today; she was the most recent common matrilineal ancestor of all humanity. This "mitochondrial eve" probably lived about 150,000 years ago in an area near Ethiopia. Of course, these ancestors were just one of the hundreds of thousands of people on the planet at the time. >After the fall, the genetic line of Adam and his descendents was >very pure, so their health would have been incredible. ?? Now wait a minute. You just said that God introduced all the genetic problems that make it dangerous for siblings to reproduce BEFORE all this! So which is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #325 June 26, 2006 QuoteBy the way, where in the bible do you get this fascinating information about genetics and mutation? I don't believe I said anything with reference to the Bible concerning genetic mutation. I just said that people and the world were cursed after the fall of Adam and Eve. I quoted that previously. A read of Genesis will also tell you that the the world was a very different place prior to that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
