Presidental Address Monday, May 15, 2006 8pm EDT

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So I guess you fall in with the Far Right.

I'll take the far right over the far left anyday.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Amazon 7]

But to those of you on the Far Right.. anthing that does not agree with your fantasy world is considered to be the far left.

[shropshire 0]

There's a far left in America?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Amazon 7]

oh they are here somewhere and they are nutters for sure.....whacked out just about as much as the nutjobs who are running this mess on the far right.

Luckily they( the far left) have remained powerless unlike the slimy far righties that have taken over the running of this country

[shropshire 0]

<< I still can't figure out why this wasn't implemented on say . . . 9/12/2001. >>

My take... The timing is a standard political tactic (used by all sides).. If your back is up against the wall (low popularity, things going bad in one or two major policies etc..), then divert (or split) attention. Also, if you can do something impressive, visual and likely to be aligned with a very large part of the population then the timing is not so surprising.

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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Rookie120 0]

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anthing that does not agree with your fantasy world is considered to be the far left.

And anyone who doesnt agree with your left wing agenda in called a nazi. Where is the happy medium people cry about but never want to go anywhere near?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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And anyone who doesnt agree with your left wing agenda in called a nazi.

Fascist.. perhaps.. NAZI... no....Nazi's were fascist but Mussolini was the one who coined the phrase. The Spanish lived under it for many long years with Franco.
I wonder how long we will be under that form of government?

Gee and just what is "my" left wing agenda????HMMMMM

I cant help it if MOST people in the world that see fascism occuring right here right now.. and they are worried about it. I guess we are going to have to live thru that crap all over again.. but in this country this time.

[Erroll 80]

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So I guess you fall in with the Far Right.

If you arrived at that conclusion based on what I have said in this thread then I honestly fail to see any point in discussing anything with you.

[Amazon 7]

Good... Mission Accomplished as the saying goes

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There is no middle ground in this country anymore.

Wrong.

In the real world, the middle ground remains filled with reasonable peeps from all walks of life.

The middle ground has simply disappeared from your brain. That's why, in your brain, everyone here either agrees with your viewpoints or is an "Ultra Rightie".

I'm glad my brain isn't restricted by those limitations.

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Good... Mission Accomplished as the saying goes

Case in point.

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[kallend 2,108]

Cute that he said the US is "a nation of laws", when he goes around ignoring the ones he doesn't like, like FISA.

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[ImGunnaJump 0]

Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you missed my point...I'm not a democrat, but I did vote "democratically" in the last 2 elections because I felt that GWB was not nearly up to the task of the world's highest office. I would much rather have had the option of voting for John McCain - who should've received the republican nomination, but GHWB swung it to his moronic son (which really causes me great disappointment in the elder Bush, because I guess I was naive enough to think that he would ultimately do what's best for the country not his family and friends. Nothing is sacred, not even the highest office of the land).

The fact that my opinions bear some resemblence to "talking points" doesn't make them invalid - just annoying to you, and I'm not so concerned about that.

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[billvon 3,079]

Overall, I think some progress was made.

The most important part of his plan was increased funding of border patrol, and hiring of 6000 more agents. The high-tech border fence will also help, but time will tell how effective it will be. It's at least worth a try.

The use of the National Guard is problematic (for reasons discussed in other threads) but if their use is really limited to a year (as stated) then that ameliorates a lot of the problem. Not sure where we will get 150,000 more troops, but perhaps recruiting incentives and the like will help pull them in.

Ending 'catch and release' is definitely a good thing overall.

I didn't understand the "guest worker" program thing. We have one already; why aren't we using it? How will this program be different than the H-2A guest worker visa? Given that it wasn't mentioned, I fear that this will be rapidly forgotten, or the H-2A program will be used as an example of how 'action was taken.' Simply expanding the H-2A program would accomplish the same goal.

Not a lot of mention of enforcement of hiring laws at the employer level, but at least it was mentioned.

I didn't like the "partial amnesty" part of the provision. I think it sets a dangerous precedent to allow known criminals to become citizens, especially when others who have waited just as long and not broken any laws are denied the same benefit.

Overall, it's a step in the right direction. A lot more thought (and money) will have to go into any complete solution, but you have to start somewhere.

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There's a far left in America?

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There's a far left in America?
Tony

a long time ago my brother dated a Maoist.

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[racer42 0]

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There's a far left in America?

I was a Marxist for 2 weeks in college, but my parents threatened to cut me off. So now I'm just a Blue Dog Democrat.

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There's a far left in America?

I was a Marxist for 2 weeks in college, but my parents threatened to cut me off. So now I'm just a Blue Dog Democrat.

You might mean Yellow Dog Democrat unless you are conservative.

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There's a far left in America?

I was a Marxist for 2 weeks in college, but my parents threatened to cut me off. So now I'm just a Blue Dog Democrat.

You might mean Yellow Dog Democrat unless you are conservative.

Nope, Blue Dog moderate.

http://www.house.gov/cardoza/BlueDogs/bluedogs.shtml

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There's a far left in America?

I was a Marxist for 2 weeks in college, but my parents threatened to cut me off. So now I'm just a Blue Dog Democrat.

You might mean Yellow Dog Democrat unless you are conservative.

Nope, Blue Dog moderate.

http://www.house.gov/cardoza/BlueDogs/bluedogs.shtml

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Didn't realize you had swung that far to the right since your marxist Days.
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[TheAnvil 0]

I think GWB's speech was mediocre, but a step in the right direction as well.

Concur about the H-2A - expanding it would help a bit.

This issue has been in the background for sometime. If nothing else, GWB's speech helped bring it even more to the forefront (not that it wasn't already). Hopefully the House/Senate will get a meaningful reform bill up for him to sign.

Vinny the Anvil
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I think GWB's speech was mediocre, but a step in the right direction as well.

Concur about the H-2A - expanding it would help a bit.

This issue has been in the background for sometime. If nothing else, GWB's speech helped bring it even more to the forefront (not that it wasn't already). Hopefully the House/Senate will get a meaningful reform bill up for him to sign.

Ok, I admitted I liked what I heard, but there's no way in HELL I'm going to agree to the concept that GWB is somehow at the forefront of this issue!

"This issue has been in the background for sometime."

WTF? The background?!?

The President has been sleeping on this since 9/12. WTF has taken him so long?

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>WTF? The background?!?

Well, the recent protest did only involve a million or so people. That's less than 1% of the US population. Heck, no one even noticed.

[TheAnvil 0]

Only recently has this come to the forefront of political discourse in America with such intensity - demonstrations, focus by the TV commenatators, etc. Sen. Tancredo has been screaming about this for years - to his credit. Illegal immigration has been a problem for years. Did you see Reagan, Bush the Elder, or Clinton give a national address solely on the issue of immigration? Nixon? Carter? Nope. They didn't do so, because the issue has been boiling in the background while other issues far less important but with more political 'umph' took center stage - abortion and affirmative action for example, neither of which affect most people directly, though almost everyone has a fairly strong opinion on both.

The issue was brought to the forefront mostly by its status & the massive # of invaders that went out to protest over the past few weeks. Bush's speech has helped keep it there and helped give it a bit of focus from the executive branch.

I really can't tell you why it's taken Congress or the Executive branch of government so long to act on this issue. It should have been acted upon decades ago - just like the social security fiasco.

Vinny the Anvil
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There's a far left in America?

I was a Marxist for 2 weeks in college, but my parents threatened to cut me off. So now I'm just a Blue Dog Democrat.

You might mean Yellow Dog Democrat unless you are conservative.

Nope, Blue Dog moderate.

http://www.house.gov/cardoza/BlueDogs/bluedogs.shtml

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Didn't realize you had swung that far to the right since your marxist Days.
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Well to be perfectly honest,...there just isn't any money in socialism these days.

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